No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • edited August 2017 Posts: 3,037
    Lots of speculation here. Nice. So let me try to understand this. They spent a lot of money requiring the rights to Blofeld and SPECTRE, made a movie about SPECTRE where Blofeld survives... and then suddenly Bond 25 is speculated to take an entirely different path? Shatterhand? Yet another crime syndicate? Hardly! Or am I missing something here.
  • edited August 2017 Posts: 367
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I really wish they had kept Dench out of SP. It was awkward and forced and tarnished her exit.

    Maybe I'm in the minority here but I definitely think Judi's cameo was one of the film's highlights. Having not read any spoilers beforehand, it was a pleasant surprise to see it was her who "sent" Bond to Mexico. I also appreciate that the filmmakers have her dressed in the same exact clothes from the "think on your sins" scene in SF.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Worked for me.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited August 2017 Posts: 15,423
    Ludovico wrote: »
    This forums alone has been suggesting that title for some time. So, I wouldn't be surprised if it was lifted from here and strapped onto a fake news report.

    Do we really have that much influence? My personal bet would have been The Hildebrand Rarity. But I'd be happy with Shatterhand.
    Where do you think some writers these days get their film/book ideas? Anything available on the internet they get "inspired by" or actually steal from. And MI6 Community is the most popular James Bond forums site, so of course that's the first place they'd look.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I still think SPECTRE is a great title. It carries weight history and it is sharp. Sounds great when said aloud too. What do you want? to go back to the days of DEATH, DIE, KILL, LOVE, EVERs, DAYs and TOMORROWs? I mean half of the Brosnan titles were awful because of sophomoric attempts at poetic depth.
    I'm afraid I can't agree. I found it lazy & uninspired. I agree on the Brosnan era entry titles being pathetic, but that is more on account of a lack of creativity.

    I doubt we'll see many of those multi-word or cryptic titles going forward after Quantum of Solace confused a few people anyway. It's probably another tradition that will die on account of Austin Powers.
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    GoldenEye and The World is Not Enough are fantastic titles.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Murdock wrote: »
    GoldenEye and The World is Not Enough are fantastic titles.
    Yes they were. Those were Fleming derived. The other two weren't & they were the uninspired ones imho. I should have clarified that.
  • edited August 2017 Posts: 5,995
    Murdock wrote: »
    GoldenEye and The World is Not Enough are fantastic titles.

    They are both, and both born of Fleming. I'm sure @bondjames was referring to Tomorrow Never Dies and Die Another Day. I agree about the latter, but like the former because of its play on the Tomorrow newspaper (and unlike others, I don't necessarily think I would have liked Tomorrow Never Lies more). I also found Spectre disappointing. Was hoping for something much more original and evocative. I would have had the exact same reaction had the film been called "Blofeld."

    Edit: and I was right!
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
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    I don't understand why a title need be creative. Apt and Flemingesque are what I look for.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I disagree wholeheartedly. The Brosnan titles, the non-Fleming ones were fascinating enough. I don't see how it is lazy and in any way pathetic. They're exactly how a Bond title should be in my honest opinion. Poetic depth in a three or four word title is precisely what I'm looking for in a Bond title.
  • edited August 2017 Posts: 5,995
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I don't understand why a title need be creative. Apt and Flemingesque are what I look for.

    The title "Spectre" came from Fleming, but it still felt uninspired as the title of the 24th James Bond film. I couldn't see, for instance, Fleming titling his next JB novel after Golden Gun "Spectre."
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @Some_Kind_Of_Hero, I am actually dreading the possibility of Blofeld as the title for B25. It's admittedly more unlikely now thanks to Waltz's nondescript performance, but still remains a concern.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    @Some_Kind_Of_Hero, I am actually dreading the possibility of Blofeld as the title for B25. It's admittedly more unlikely now thanks to Waltz's nondescript performance, but still remains a concern.

    I suppose it could be worse...it could be called "Ernst". Actually more likely "James".
    I really abhor the trend of lazy titles these past few years. I'm probably missing out on some good films because the titles have turned me away. I never did see "Jason Bourne" or 'Logan".
    I didn't really mind the title "Spectre", but it did seem a bit uninspired.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2017 Posts: 23,883
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    @Some_Kind_Of_Hero, I am actually dreading the possibility of Blofeld as the title for B25. It's admittedly more unlikely now thanks to Waltz's nondescript performance, but still remains a concern.

    I suppose it could be worse...it could be called "Ernst". Actually more likely "James".
    I really abhor the trend of lazy titles these past few years. I'm probably missing out on some good films because the titles have turned me away. I never did see "Jason Bourne" or 'Logan".
    I didn't really mind the title "Spectre", but it did seem a bit uninspired.
    At least we've not had the following yet (I guess we'll have to wait for the reboots for this):

    "OO7"
    "Bond"
  • Posts: 12,602
    bondjames wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    @Some_Kind_Of_Hero, I am actually dreading the possibility of Blofeld as the title for B25. It's admittedly more unlikely now thanks to Waltz's nondescript performance, but still remains a concern.

    I suppose it could be worse...it could be called "Ernst". Actually more likely "James".
    I really abhor the trend of lazy titles these past few years. I'm probably missing out on some good films because the titles have turned me away. I never did see "Jason Bourne" or 'Logan".
    I didn't really mind the title "Spectre", but it did seem a bit uninspired.
    At least we've not had the following yet (I guess we'll have to wait for the reboots for this):

    "OO7"
    "Bond"

    Yes. I'd probably bet my Blu-ray of OHMSS that if Eon actually were to sell Bond, the rights could go to any handful of studios that would find "007" or "Bond" acceptable titles. Then we probably would get a film with such an awful title.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Activision should be sued then, because the Italian backcover for 007 Legends stated that Dr. No was included, when it actually wasn't.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited August 2017 Posts: 9,140
    The title "Spectre" came from Fleming, but it still felt uninspired as the title of the 24th James Bond film. I couldn't see, for instance, Fleming titling his next JB novel after Golden Gun "Spectre."
    Not Spectre. Spectreville! [Emphasis mine.]
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    Lots of speculation here. Nice. So let me try to understand this. They spent a lot of money requiring the rights to Blofeld and SPECTRE, made a movie about SPECTRE where Blofeld survives... and then suddenly Bond 25 is speculated to take an entirely different path? Shatterhand? Yet another crime syndicate? Hardly! Or am I missing something here.

    They could simply use Spectre to fill the role of The Union and Shatterhand being a pseudonym/nickname of Blofeld it would make sense.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    This forums alone has been suggesting that title for some time. So, I wouldn't be surprised if it was lifted from here and strapped onto a fake news report.

    Do we really have that much influence? My personal bet would have been The Hildebrand Rarity. But I'd be happy with Shatterhand.
    Where do you think some writers these days get their film/book ideas? Anything available on the internet they get "inspired by" or actually steal from. And MI6 Community is the most popular James Bond forums site, so of course that's the first place they'd look.

    So if anyone complains about the title of QOS: that was my idea. Or at least I was one of those who wanted the title to be used
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
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    The title "Spectre" came from Fleming, but it still felt uninspired as the title of the 24th James Bond film. I couldn't see, for instance, Fleming titling his next JB novel after Golden Gun "Spectre."
    Not Spectre. Spectreville! [Emphasis mine.]

    A remake of FRWL... "Spektor"!!!
  • edited August 2017 Posts: 15,557
    A one-word title really has to be good to work, and not feel lazy. Skyfall felt a bit "meh" to me, and Spectre felt uninspired. Still, both titles were very relevant, so I can understand why they went with them.

    Personally, I love the multi-word titles.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited August 2017 Posts: 9,117
    Walecs wrote: »
    Activision should be sued then, because the Italian backcover for 007 Legends stated that Dr. No was included, when it actually wasn't.

    The people who made 007 Legends should be publicly flogged. Not having Dr No in the game when they wrote about him on the back was the least of their crimes against humanity.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    If 007 Legends is all the source of abomination, then so should be GoldenEye 007: Reloaded and its Wii counterpart since they were the same game only with different levels, story and characters.
  • mattjoesmattjoes ...and actor Cesare Danova in the role of "Actor"
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    I disagree wholeheartedly. The Brosnan titles, the non-Fleming ones were fascinating enough. I don't see how it is lazy and in any way pathetic. They're exactly how a Bond title should be in my honest opinion. Poetic depth in a three or four word title is precisely what I'm looking for in a Bond title.

    I agree with this. For a change, I say we need our next Bond title to be a sentence, not a phrase.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Fleming made the best titles for James bond I mean just think about it, they can't be touched by any original film title or non fleming novel title
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Fleming made the best titles for James bond I mean just think about it, they can't be touched by any original film title or non fleming novel title
    They are legendary and quite iconic. Agreed.
  • The title "Spectre" came from Fleming, but it still felt uninspired as the title of the 24th James Bond film. I couldn't see, for instance, Fleming titling his next JB novel after Golden Gun "Spectre."
    Not Spectre. Spectreville! [Emphasis mine.]

    I'd love to see the plot to match the title! I do hope cowgirl costumes and football boots will be involved!

    ToTheRight wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    @Some_Kind_Of_Hero, I am actually dreading the possibility of Blofeld as the title for B25. It's admittedly more unlikely now thanks to Waltz's nondescript performance, but still remains a concern.

    I suppose it could be worse...it could be called "Ernst". Actually more likely "James".
    I really abhor the trend of lazy titles these past few years. I'm probably missing out on some good films because the titles have turned me away. I never did see "Jason Bourne" or 'Logan".
    I didn't really mind the title "Spectre", but it did seem a bit uninspired.
    At least we've not had the following yet (I guess we'll have to wait for the reboots for this):

    "OO7"
    "Bond"

    I'd probably bet my Blu-ray of OHMSS that...

    Don't even joke.

    bondjames wrote: »
    @Some_Kind_Of_Hero, I am actually dreading the possibility of Blofeld as the title for B25. It's admittedly more unlikely now thanks to Waltz's nondescript performance, but still remains a concern.

    I was for awhile as well. But I'm more and more confident neither Mendes nor Waltz will return. Blofeld will, for sure, but once the series moves in a new direction, I think (hope) we'll have less fear for a film titled "Blofeld."
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Minion wrote: »
    A remake of FRWL... "Spektor"!!!
    Wow--a seven-letter S-word.
    I LOVE IT!
  • I've always found Spectre to be a lazy title too. And I've never thought the non Fleming Brosnan era titles were that bad at all really. Tomorrow Never Dies I don't mind but Tomorrow Never Lies would have been so much better. Die Another Day I actually like and I enjoyed how they worked it into the film.

    I still think Quantum Of Solace is the worst title by a wide margin. It doesn't sound sexy or dangerous or cool. It sounds weird and pretentious. It's Fleming for the sake of it imo. And the filmmakers didn't even have the balls to commit to it so they had to add a literal meaning at the last minute that made the SP retcon worse: imagine if instead of the last minute hamfisted "I told you everything you wanted to know about Quantum", the mysterious organisation stayed unnamed. Then we'd have no confusion. They could have easily just been Spectre. If they had to use a Fleming title for the film I would have rather Property of a Lady. That would've fit. I don't really like that one either but it's better than QoS.

    Imo, the only decent Fleming title left is Risico. Outside of that they should leave it. I really really hope the little nod in SP means we'll never get a Bond film called The Hilderbrand Rarity. Chapter titles and phrases are fair game though. Shatterhand would make a brilliant title and I'm sure they will use it eventually.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    edited August 2017 Posts: 1,756
    Risico is literally just risk.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    On the topic of chapter titles, maybe they'll use "Blood and Thunder".
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