No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    A mid spring release would be ideal.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It was this or the priesthood.
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    I think the next film will be (or has the chance to be), as different feeling as OHMSS was following the string of 60s films. The whole Craig era has been building to a moment where a final Bond story could be told that would effectively wrap up this man's story like EON have never attempted before, whether it's with him settling down or, as I find more likely, discovering that the calm is not for him as he returns to his position at MI6 until they force him out, living his remaining days as the man he was destined to be.

    I don't think a final Craig film will be like the other last Bond films for the actors where it feels like any other film, and the new Bond disappears to make way for a new one with no explanation to what happened in the interim. The movie will be built to tell a conclusive story that demands a fresh continuity be made afterward, likely at the behest of Craig who has wanted to really do something new and consequential with the character from the beginning. The next script and all the things it could have Bond doing would provide him with a lot of acting meat to send him off on a powerful high, whether it's a more stripped down film, a bit of a blockbuster, or somewhere in between. These films have never been regular, and in each movie EON have pushed people's expectations of what a Bond film could be, stripping it back in CR and QoS while also going for heavy theme and message stories in SF and SP. It's only fitting then that the last film of this Bond would not be like any other, as Craig has always been the experimental 007 of the bunch.

    I would personally love to see the character written off in such a way, and have the film feel conclusive enough to be its own story. Then the new era of the next actor can be what it needs to be, but will be a fresh start with a Bond already in action so that EON can have a new approach without feeling a slave to continue Craig's Bond. Dan is such a particular actor and has played such a particular kind of man built to his own quiet but smoldering and sardonic sensibilities that this seems a likely option for me. Much like how it's at times weird to see George trying to play a Connery Bond in OHMSS, it would feel strange to see another man ape Craig. It's best to give Dan the finale he deserves after putting in so much work and commitment in with the character that has spanned over a decade, and allow him to then pass the Bond baton to #7 in a manner that he can go his own way and play his own version of the character like he was able to.

    Barbara is a great and understanding collaborator in that way, and I feel she would work with the new Bond just as well as she has with Dan to make the era that man's own, different from the last. I'm sure it'll be a tough go to see Dan off, though, as they've become great friends and partners throughout the series in a way no other Bond/producer relationship has. But they both understand Bond is bigger than the people that make the films each go around, just as they know when it's time to call "cut." This seems to be heading for Dan's ultimate curtain call, and the chance to see him off while also telling a story like we've never seen before.
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    The whole Craig era has been building to a moment where a final Bond story could be told that would effectively wrap up this man's story like EON have never attempted before, whether it's with him settling down or, as I find more likely, discovering that the calm is not for him as he returns to his position at MI6 until they force him out, living his remaining days as the man he was destined to be.

    Well, this is an interesting thought. When I think of "the man he's destined to be," my first thought is 'alone.' After years of ending the movies with Bond rolling up with a new woman, a fresh take could effective.

    Maybe B25 ends with Bond driving/riding/sailing/walking off into the sunset . . . alone. That could be a nice image to end on.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    octofinger wrote: »
    The whole Craig era has been building to a moment where a final Bond story could be told that would effectively wrap up this man's story like EON have never attempted before, whether it's with him settling down or, as I find more likely, discovering that the calm is not for him as he returns to his position at MI6 until they force him out, living his remaining days as the man he was destined to be.

    Well, this is an interesting thought. When I think of "the man he's destined to be," my first thought is 'alone.' After years of ending the movies with Bond rolling up with a new woman, a fresh take could effective.

    Maybe B25 ends with Bond driving/riding/sailing/walking off into the sunset . . . alone. That could be a nice image to end on.

    Agreed.

    And yet, that YOLT ending is so tempting for Craig. When will Eon get that chance again?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I like the idea of killing him off. Given EON's predilection for following the prevailing trends, I can imagine that will be on the agenda as they discuss options.
  • edited April 2017 Posts: 19
    According to Archivo007 (Spanish fan club and website), Daniel Craig will be back as James Bond 007 in Bond 25. Soon, more information.
    https://twitter.com/archivo_007?lang=es
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Very interesting. If this is true, they must have a plan to start shooting soon after the deal is done.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Thanks for that, @ChampionAlonso3. Perhaps @ggl007 can elaborate on this?
  • jake24 wrote: »
    Thanks for that, @ChampionAlonso3. Perhaps @ggl007 can elaborate on this?

    Sure!!! But, as far as I know, the person who knows someone in Pinewood is not him.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    I figured, but I know he's an Archivo member. Perhaps he knows more about it.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It was this or the priesthood.
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    octofinger wrote: »
    The whole Craig era has been building to a moment where a final Bond story could be told that would effectively wrap up this man's story like EON have never attempted before, whether it's with him settling down or, as I find more likely, discovering that the calm is not for him as he returns to his position at MI6 until they force him out, living his remaining days as the man he was destined to be.

    Well, this is an interesting thought. When I think of "the man he's destined to be," my first thought is 'alone.' After years of ending the movies with Bond rolling up with a new woman, a fresh take could effective.

    Maybe B25 ends with Bond driving/riding/sailing/walking off into the sunset . . . alone. That could be a nice image to end on.

    @octofinger, I've discussed this before, but this is how I would like to see Bond 25 go (explained briefly):

    The film would start with Bond living quietly with Madeleine, but it would be obvious that he is bored out of his mind and is going through adrenaline withdrawal. He sits and stares at paint drying, missing the feeling of danger and duty that gave his life some kind of path. An event will happen to draw him out of retirement (possibly Blofeld/SPECTRE related) that he will use as an excuse to return to MI6 and his old team, while acting like he doesn't want to do it when speaking with Madeleine, who he might not want to disappoint since she invested so much in helping him leave the agency behind.

    The film would reach a climax and Bond would defeat the threat, possibly killing Blofeld and essentially tying off the nasty man and organization that had caused him and the people he cared for so much harm for many years. I would like to see a minor and quietly played scene with Bond visiting Vesper's grave in London, saying a simple, "I got the people that hurt you" or something similar as her theme quietly plays, recalling Bond's never forgotten desire to find her justice way back during CR.

    This moment would then carry into the final scene of the film, which would be fixed on the bridge leading to the old MI6 building, which would be rebuilt with a new shining purpose, just as Bond had been in symbolically finding his true purpose again. In a closing dialogue he would meet Madeleine on the bridge (who before this point had been in hiding and written out of the main action of the film) to explain himself to her. He would thank her for the meaning and choice she tried to give him to pursue a quiet life away from the danger and bullets of a spy, but would state that a life of retirement and peace was never a possibility for a man like him. He wanted to think that such a life was for him, the same lie he told himself with Vesper and the "honest" living he'd planned, but ultimately realizes that he was born for a storm and a calm doesn't suit him. He felt like he had no choice in being the man he was at MI6, but in a moment of revelation realized it was always his choice. He was meant to be an agent and to protect people who can't protect themselves, a true knight of the realm until the end.

    He gives a nice and respectful goodbye to Madeleine to allow her to live her own life, and resigns himself to being an agent until he is no longer able to do the work anymore. But until that point, it's his life and he's done questioning another purpose for it. As with Fleming's Bond at the end of TMWTGG, he is resigned to his fate and is ready to pursue life unrestrained. The last shot we get before credits roll would be Bond walking across Vauxhall bridge towards the rebuilt MI6 as Madeleine goes the other direction, looking behind her for a moment as she spots his ever decreasing form return across the bridge to destiny. Her face would be a mix of emotions, from worry to care, but we would be able to see her think, "this is what he needs." I think it'd be powerful final image to see, as Bond would essentially be heading towards the path he tried to avoid going down at the end of SP on another bridge, combining and visually linking the thematic nature of the previous film and the new journey he is now beginning. He is now fully aware of the man he has always been destined to be, and is ready to live that life without compromise through that existential clarity. We watch Bond disappear in the bend of the road, the perspective of the camera making it seem like he's sinking into the bridge itself. Cut to black, roll credits.



    I know it may not be everyone's cup of tea, but this would be a perfect ending to me. I just need to avoid getting too attached to how I want it to end, as I am setting myself up for disappointment when EON may not have the same vision.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    The timing of this is somewhat coincidental, coming on the same day that the distribution discussion breaks. Anyway, let's see.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 You and I have the exact same vision for what we want to see on B25. I loved every detail of what you wrote.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Very interesting. If this is true, they must have a plan to start shooting soon after the deal is done.

    I'd hope so. If contracts are being signed this week maybe this script is far enough along a writer's strike won't be much of an issue?
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Even if Purvis and Wade have been on-board for more time than we'd have thought, I highly doubt that the script is far enough for filming to begin until late this year at the earliest.
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    Maybe they're going with the rejected back to back idea Logan was supposed to come up with.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    You're fashionably late!
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    Creasy47 wrote: »

    You're fashionably late!

    I was going to say sorry if this has been posted as there were 600 comments since I last looked on this thread, though got distracted... I'll get my coat
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Creasy47 wrote: »

    You're fashionably late!

    I was going to say sorry if this has been posted as there were 600 comments since I last looked on this thread, though got distracted... I'll get my coat
    No worries at all. You can always visit the first page to see what you have missed while you were away.
  • At least there's Bond 25 news to talk about.
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    jake24 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »

    You're fashionably late!

    I was going to say sorry if this has been posted as there were 600 comments since I last looked on this thread, though got distracted... I'll get my coat
    No worries at all. You can always visit the first page to see what you have missed while you were away.

    I forgot you set that up cheers, very handy to see what's new.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    At least there's Bond 25 news to talk about.
    2017 has been more eventful than the entirety of 2016 in that sense.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Creasy47 wrote: »

    You're fashionably late!

    I was going to say sorry if this has been posted as there were 600 comments since I last looked on this thread, though got distracted... I'll get my coat

    Just messing with you, no need to apologize! It's sort of overwhelming, not only having something 'Bond 25' related to discuss, but numerous bits of news and rumors regarding the film in a matter of a day. Very refreshing.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Sony probably has the edge, given its familiarity with the franchise, although a lot of the players have changed. I expect that they would be most interested in having Craig back for a continuation story.

    Annapurna would be interesting, especially for a character driven distribution 'one off' and for a Craig swansong. If Megan Ellison can deliver BFF Chastain and Bigelow as director, it would make for a very intriguing film indeed. I'll admit that it's unlikely though.

    Universal or Warner would be a nice change, and they both know how to handle a tentpole franchise, but I am concerned about 'crossover' (Bond vs. Batman or worse yet, Bond taking on Dom Toretto).
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It was this or the priesthood.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Sony probably has the edge, given its familiarity with the franchise, although a lot of the players have changed. I expect that they would be most interested in having Craig back for a continuation story.

    Annapurna would be interesting, especially for a character driven distribution 'one off' and for a Craig swansong. If Megan Ellison can deliver BFF Chastain and Bigelow as director, it would make for a very intriguing film indeed. I'll admit that it's unlikely though.

    Universal or Warner would be a nice change, and they both know how to handle a tentpole franchise, but I am concerned about 'crossover' (Bond vs. Batman or worse yet, Bond taking on Dom Toretto).

    If you're not jesting, I think there's no way EON would agree to those terms.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Indeed I was jesting. I have no doubt however that there is a risk of future spin offs when the multi-year distribution deal is hatched down the road, and if it's with WB, at least the risk of a LEGO Bond film. If MGM sells itself to a powerhouse post-B25, then I can see quite a few changes in time.

    EDIT: Another reason I see Sony as the most likely candidate is they need this badly right now. WB has enough on its plate and Universal has its hands full as well. I can't see them giving Bond the attention Sony did.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It was this or the priesthood.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Indeed I was jesting. I have no doubt however that there is a risk of future spin offs when the multi-year distribution deal is hatched down the road, and if it's with WB, at least the risk of a LEGO Bond film. If MGM sells itself to a powerhouse post-B25, then I can see quite a few changes in time.

    I think we have more worry on the spin-off front with Sony. They are the ones that are pushing such films in the droves, and used an entire Spider-Man film just to set up several of them (thankfully it failed). They still plan to do a load of spin-offs for their properties, however, and they're not films I or anyone else would want to see. Their lack of awareness for their audience distresses me.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Yes, and yet they (Sony) are the frontrunner (as per my edited post above) imho. It's a question of them needing Bond more than any of the others.

    Annapurna is a wildcard though and could really deliver some interesting films on a lower budget. I just don't see it happening.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It was this or the priesthood.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Yes, and yet they (Sony) are the frontrunner (as per my edited post above) imho. It's a question of them needing Bond more than any of the others.

    Yes, there's no doubt about that. They have the best hand, so to speak.
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