No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython "I want you looking FABULOUS."
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    Escalus5 wrote: »
    Edgar Wright is probably the name I'd find most exciting attached to a Bond film since ever. Would make it ironic too given he left ANT-MAN during pre-production.

    Wright will never commit to a Bond movie, especially after the Marvel debacle. I'm surprised that Broccoli would even approach him.

    He likes to build his projects from the ground up, and his demands for creative control would never work with EON.

    From what I understand Eon is not tight on controlling their filmmakers as Marvel notoriously does, they do give more leeway. That’s why I think there was much more going on with Boyle than just simple casting of the villain. Given that Craig has been wanting to do Bond with a lighter touch, I think Wright has the correct sensibilities.

    I’m still not expecting for it to happen though. If I were Eon, I’d offer Wright to help fix the current film with the promise of working on the next one to launch the new Bond actor. But that’s just me.
  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
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    Daniel Craig plays Bond and is co-producing. How much creative freedom will the director have? They have to find a director who is willing to do what Craig wants. Not an easy task if you go for a top name I guess.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython "I want you looking FABULOUS."
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    Heavily disagree on Noyce though. His Tom
    Clancy films aged poorly. The only saving grace of one of those films was Henry Czerny delightfully eating a carrot as he watched a missile hit a house.

    Wish Tom Cruise bring him back as Kittridge for another MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE flick.
  • PussyNoMore is a huge Fleming fan and is not particularly keen on the movies with the exception of a couple of the early Connerys and OHMSS.
    That said, he is enjoying this thread enormously with the informed opinions that are being passionately expressed by real film fans.
    Looking through the many comments and thinking about them within the context of the market scene it is clear that the time has come for a completely new strategy.
    Craig’s Bond totally lacks the humour and lightness of touch of his predecessors and as a consequence he comes across as an actor that was hired to play the lead in a serious thriller but who finds himself having to act his way through the farcical situations that have become the hallmark of the franchise.
    Meanwhile the market has changed and spy fantasy has segmented into the brutal and hard nosed (as typified by Bourne) and the absurd (as typified by The Kingsman) with the result that Bond is left in the middle which is a terrible place to be in any market and which is completely out of keeping with the times.
    Doubtless Boyle had plans to change this and give us something new, different and better but when the doctor arrived, the patient didn’t like the medicine and we are where we are.
    The only option now is to appoint a journeyman director (Campbell being the obvious choice) and to bring the project in on schedule.
    When that is done, The Pussy thinks the thing will be indiscernible from previous efforts and will take less than Spectre. Then, and only then, will they find the courage to change the formula, move away from the formula and give the franchise the complete reboot that it so badly needs.
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    So EON held an emergency meeting for the crew today. I wonder if it will leak what they were told.
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    Sigh. Maybe Craig should bow out. This is a mess. Sounds like they need a brand new script as well as director. This is NOT gonna be in cinemas in 2019, is it. Maybe not even 2020. Can't believe I'm saying this, but maybe they should instead think about a BIG reboot. Pay off Craig, re-cast and start all over again. I am seriously against this, but, at the moment, don't really any quick fix to this. Is Hiddleston free?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    SonofSean wrote: »
    Sigh. Maybe Craig should bow out. This is a mess. Sounds like they need a brand new script as well as director. This is NOT gonna be in cinemas in 2019, is it. Maybe not even 2020. Can't believe I'm saying this, but maybe they should instead think about a BIG reboot. Pay off Craig, re-cast and start all over again. I am seriously against this, but, at the moment, don't really any quick fix to this. Is Hiddleston free?
    Curiously, yes.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Heavily disagree on Noyce though. His Tom
    Clancy films aged poorly.
    The only saving grace of one of those films was Henry Czerny delightfully eating a carrot as he watched a missile hit a house.

    Wish Tom Cruise bring him back as Kittridge for another MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE flick.

    Disagree. Clear And Present Danger is a great flick, especially. Not really sure why anyone would think it has aged badly. It's got some stunning action sequences and a great story.

    Salt, meanwhile, has a dodgy story but it's got some cracking set-pieces too. Dead Calm is a well-executed slice of tension-filled shlock too. He'd do a fine job of it.

    Nevertheless, I think he's busy adapting a Dennis Lehane novel at the moment.

  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    There HAS to be some solution to this situation other than ditching Craig & starting completely fresh. As others on here have said, there’s a reason Universal made a deal. They know Craig will bring in the bucks.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    So EON held an emergency meeting for the crew today. I wonder if it will leak what they were told.

    If there is a hiatus, it will be told in this meeting. And I don’t see how they can’t leak that since the crew will be unemployed (after gearing up for the next year of their lives).

    However, I will be shocked if there is a significant delay in shooting (if any), and I may be an optimist, or just plain thick, but I foresee the release dates being honoured.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 79
    I am kind of glad that Boyle left. I am afraid he might try to make a sjw Bond.
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    So EON held an emergency meeting for the crew today. I wonder if it will leak what they were told.

    I'm not really sure how much evidence there is that such meeting has taken place.

    I assume Eon are spending their time zeroing in on directors and trying to entice one of the four to commit. Out of the 4 it is only really Edgar Wright who'd want creative control, the rest will do as they are told.

    Nonetheless, for the B-team, they are all terrific talents and far more exciting names than Boyle.

    LA is just going to work this morning, news on studio movies tends to break around this time, so if there is news it'll happen tonight.

    In the meanwhile, I think Yann should really be given the job. He basically had it until Craig thought they could do better. 71 was fantastic and he's a snappy dresser. He could make a great Bond film.

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Costa Mucho
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    Give it to Peyton Reed.
  • I think Vallee would be the best choice out of those.

    I didn't think of him for a Bond movie before, but now I would like to see the experiment. The success of his HBO shows is largely down to his direction I think, he has his own stamp that he puts in the material and definitely elevates it. He is rather great with actors as well. The way he uses editing and camerawork to inform the audience of the characters' state of mind is also great.

    With him you can definitely expect a stylish looking Bond movie. I think he could also make some very tense espionage sequences with great camerawork judging by his previous work.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Escalus5 wrote: »
    Edgar Wright is probably the name I'd find most exciting attached to a Bond film since ever. Would make it ironic too given he left ANT-MAN during pre-production.

    Wright will never commit to a Bond movie, especially after the Marvel debacle. I'm surprised that Broccoli would even approach him.

    He likes to build his projects from the ground up, and his demands for creative control would never work with EON.

    From what I understand Eon is not tight on controlling their filmmakers as Marvel notoriously does, they do give more leeway.

    Marvel have been very relaxed with their approach since phase 2; even more so with phase 3. The real difference is, there's a better dialogue and channel of communication between the producers and the directors over at Marvel than whatever EoN have been doing lately. The debacle with Wright and Ant-Man was mainly due to Wright wanting to make his film entirely independent of having any connection with the rest of the MCU which was silly on his part. You look at what the Russos have done, Taika Watiti, Shane Black, James Gunn (recent controversy not withstanding) and especially Ryan Coogler. The level of freedom and free reign Coogler was given was hugely surprising. However, when you think about it, its not all that surprising when you consider the fact that Kevin Feige is the most competent and successful producer in Hollywood because he bothers to do his job effectively. Feige has a brand to protect and still deliver in films that keep people coming back when there's now a slew of comic book films saturating the market and films and TV shows jumping on the bandwagon in creating and for the most part failing to create their own shared universe. Even Bond tried it with SP and failed miserably. The creative process requires communication and cohesion and that's just effectively not happening with EoN's current business objectives.

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    EON either need to just get on with things as soon as they can - if a Director is locked in by the end of September - and deliver the film for 2019 or take a longer hiatus\delay than just until 2020 and go with a new Bond and re-imaging of the films.

    I don't wish to see Craig go before a final fifth film but if they do reboot completely I don't think a year is enough to cast the new Bond and appoint a writer and Director to play to the new Bond's perceived strengths.

    Granted in days of old Maibaum was capable of writing a script for a generic Bond (such as TLD for Moore) before the casting was known but those sort of days are long gone. If anything it would be easier in this current predicament for a new director and writer to come on board knowing Craig is the incumbent Bond and what style of film they'll be expected to deliver.

    The thing doesn't shoot for another three months so here's hoping for no delay.
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
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    If Forster would be given a throughly well-crafted and polished script, does away with the shaky hand cam (or only use it occaionally) and the hectic editing and a bit more running time for the character development, clocking in around the 2 hours mark, I'll be fine with that. I always thought, that Quantum of Solace has a great story in it, but this only comes through occasionally. And there were maybe too much action sequences considering the short running time. I was disappointed by the rushed demise of Mathis. The writer's strike and the pressure to meet the opening date were certainly the main problems.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Costa Mucho
    edited August 2018 Posts: 41,990
    Cowley wrote: »
    EON either need to just get on with things as soon as they can - if a Director is locked in by the end of September - and deliver the film for 2019 or take a longer hiatus\delay than just until 2020 and go with a new Bond and re-imaging of the films.

    I don't wish to see Craig go before a final fifth film but if they do reboot completely I don't think a year is enough to cast the new Bond and appoint a writer and Director to play to the new Bond's perceived strengths.

    Granted in days of old Maibaum was capable of writing a script for a generic Bond (such as TLD for Moore) before the casting was known but those sort of days are long gone. If anything it would be easier in this current predicament for a new director and writer to come on board knowing Craig is the incumbent Bond and what style of film they'll be expected to deliver.

    The thing doesn't shoot for another three months so here's hoping for no delay.

    I don t think TLD was written for Moore. It was more the idea of writing for his kind of James Bond.

    Edit: I see that is what you meant.
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    I'd be more than happy for Forster to make a return. We wouldn't have the need for Bourne style choppy editing to blight the action sequences as MI: Fallout has proven that action scenes can still be pacy and brutal without it.

    I'm sure Forster would relish the chance for more time and input this time round and he clearly worked more harmoniously with Craig.

    Plus if the QOS pre-title sequence is anything to go buy, we could be guaranteed a Bond 25 which immediately starts off with a sense of urgency and a Bond whom means business.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Cowley wrote: »
    I'd be more than happy for Forster to make a return. We wouldn't have the need for Bourne style choppy editing to blight the action sequences as MI: Fallout has proven that action scenes can still be pacy and brutal without it.

    I'm sure Forster would relish the chance for more time and input this time round and he clearly worked more harmoniously with Craig.

    Plus if the QOS pre-title sequence is anything to go buy, we could be guaranteed a Bond 25 which immediately starts off with a sense of urgency and a Bond whom means business.
    +1
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    So EON held an emergency meeting for the crew today. I wonder if it will leak what they were told.
    peter wrote: »
    So EON held an emergency meeting for the crew today. I wonder if it will leak what they were told.

    If there is a hiatus, it will be told in this meeting. And I don’t see how they can’t leak that since the crew will be unemployed (after gearing up for the next year of their lives).

    However, I will be shocked if there is a significant delay in shooting (if any), and I may be an optimist, or just plain thick, but I foresee the release dates being honoured.
    Them honouring the release date has one big con and one big pro. CON: another rushed priduction probably resulting in a subpar movie. PRO: they will probably have to keep most of Hodge's script (and maybe some of Boyle's crew such as Tildesley) since that's what they have been preparing to film, which might result in a "Boyle light" movie.
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    And Roberto Schaefer along? Would actually love that.
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    Cowley wrote: »
    EON either need to just get on with things as soon as they can - if a Director is locked in by the end of September - and deliver the film for 2019 or take a longer hiatus\delay than just until 2020 and go with a new Bond and re-imaging of the films.

    I don't wish to see Craig go before a final fifth film but if they do reboot completely I don't think a year is enough to cast the new Bond and appoint a writer and Director to play to the new Bond's perceived strengths.

    Granted in days of old Maibaum was capable of writing a script for a generic Bond (such as TLD for Moore) before the casting was known but those sort of days are long gone. If anything it would be easier in this current predicament for a new director and writer to come on board knowing Craig is the incumbent Bond and what style of film they'll be expected to deliver.

    The thing doesn't shoot for another three months so here's hoping for no delay.

    I don t think TLD was written for Moore. It was more the idea of writing for his kind of James Bond.

    Edit: I see that is what you meant.

    Funny how thirty years on TLD does mostly seem to be just more of the same Glen\Maibaum we already had from Moore as it was probably written and developed as such and yet in 1987 it just all felt so wonderfully fresh and dynamic. The praise for which has to go to Dalton whom immediately gave us a believable Bond.

    As with the Craig era, I just suspect that whoever is next cast as Bond will determine the style of the films we receive rather than the Brosnan greatest hits approach. Which is why holding the film (and possibly the script) back for just a year to hire another lead actor might not be enough to properly re-launch the series in earnest.

    Perhaps Barbara Broccoli will go once Craig steps down as she'll need to be out of her comfort zone to make that clean break.
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    Cowley wrote: »
    I'd be more than happy for Forster to make a return. We wouldn't have the need for Bourne style choppy editing to blight the action sequences as MI: Fallout has proven that action scenes can still be pacy and brutal without it.

    I'm sure Forster would relish the chance for more time and input this time round and he clearly worked more harmoniously with Craig.

    Plus if the QOS pre-title sequence is anything to go buy, we could be guaranteed a Bond 25 which immediately starts off with a sense of urgency and a Bond whom means business.

    Agreed. Honestly Forster may even be my #1 choice right now for Craig’s finale. He has the experience and can improve on what didn’t go so well from last time. Campbell is likely out of the race, and even if he was available he has only done Bond films with a completely clean slate actor-wise. Mendes delivered a fresh, unique film with SF, but proved he was out of gas/energy and ideas with SP. An entirely new director might work too, of course, but they probably couldn’t be too auteur given what happened with Boyle, and Forster still has a leg up in familiarity.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    I'm all for Forster to return. I think he did a great job on QOS, especially under the dire circumstances.

    Save Campbell for the next actor.
  • Remington wrote: »
    I'm all for Forster to return. I think he did a great job on QOS, especially under the dire circumstances.

    Save Campbell for the next actor.

    In five years time, Campbell will be pushing 80. Can't see him returning to Bond duties.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    edited August 2018 Posts: 3,157
    I can't believe EON made 16 movies in the first 27 years and made only half of those in the following 27. Even if we don't take the LTK-GE gap into account, Cubby made 14 movies in 23 years whereas Babs and MGW could only make 8 in the same number of years.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited August 2018 Posts: 3,860
    Let's wait and see how they'll manage this situation.

    It's frankly unacceptable that after 3 years we still don't have a director with a movie supposed to hit theaters next year, but let's wait for a new announcement before ridiculously demonizing EoN or Craig. What if the Hodge's script was really getting too far? Too political? Maybe this shake-up will make things run a lot better. In the industry things like this happens. Better now than during production.

    Campbell and Forster? Please, move on...
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe "I need a year off" Craig
    edited August 2018 Posts: 7,316
    Remington wrote: »
    I'm all for Forster to return. I think he did a great job on QOS, especially under the dire circumstances.

    Save Campbell for the next actor.

    In five years time, Campbell will be pushing 80. Can't see him returning to Bond duties.

    Not if they recast Bond and push B25 to 2020. He would be 76 at the time of shooting.

    I presume Nolan will introduce the next Bond TBH, that seems almost inevitable, but Campbell is a safe pair of hands. Safer than most, even at his age.
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
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    The 80s is a good case in point -three of those films I love - TLD, LTK and FYEO - and Glenn may not be the greatest director but he delivered at least three top half bond films (with MGW and Maibums writing plus cubby producing. Barry's scores don't hurt either! it's this team dynamic that may be missing a little - and why they've tried to keep purvis and wade on for fluency).

    Long story short - EON produced five films in the 80s - in the same length of time now - EON have produced two - and one of them was Spectre...

    Well, the 80's have long gone, Cubby died in 1996, Barry (who did not work for Bond for 24 years) passed away in 2011, Maibaum is also no longer with us. One might get melancholic and sad about that, but we as well as the Bond franchise have to move on.
    I grew up with Sir Rog as Bond, OP being my first Bond at the movie theatre. And maybe we should really calm down a little until EON gives an official announcement on the whereabouts of Bond 25. The one internet meida source says this, another one says that, and others report other "facts", which are specualtons and rumours. There is nothing wrong about us speculating (that's why we are all here), but maybe we can do this in a bit of a more relaxed manner. We can't do anything about it, it's EON (and Universal), who pull the strings.
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