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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    And how old was Martin Campbell when he did CR? Age, to a certain point on either end of the spectrum, has little to do with creative vision/energy.

    62. The oldest Bond director, eclipsing Gilbert.

    Kershner was the same age.

    When?
    He was 60 or thereabouts during NSNA. Close enough I suppose.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
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    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Younger director for the next Bond actor's debut film, perhaps?
    Why are you pretending there is a chance the next Bond actor's debut film won't be directed by Christopher Nolan???
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    @bondjames what large missing puzzle could possibly be missing?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Goldeneye0094 wrote: »
    @bondjames what large missing puzzle could possibly be missing?

    A distributor; can't do much without one.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Your guess is as good as mine @Goldeneye0094, but that would be the only reason for a delay.

    I'd imagine that the next announcement will be more comprehensive and definitive than the rather limited one which was made last July (when even Craig wasn't mentioned, if you'll recall). Furthermore, P&W's involvement, which was specified in that announcement, is now most likely not going to be the case.

    So I'd imagine they don't want any further misconceptions and incorrect statements.

    We could have a release date move, we could have a new distributor (rather than Sony) and we could still have an acquirer of MGM, who in turn is the new distributor. They may not have finalized any of these items.

    So the delay is most likely because they want a clear one shot announcement, rather than further piecemeal dribs and drabs.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Yann Demange or Denis Villeneuve, perhaps? ;)

    Villeneuve would have been my dream for both Bond 25 and 26. I'm sure his Dune will be good but why he'd choose to do that instead of Bond?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Yann Demange or Denis Villeneuve, perhaps? ;)

    Villeneuve would have been my dream for both Bond 25 and 26. I'm sure his Dune will be good but why he'd choose to do that instead of Bond?

    He wanted to make Dune for a very long time, and the Bond series isn't going anywhere, so it'll always be awaiting him when he's available and wanting to direct one.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    vzok wrote: »
    I’d just been thinking about Boyle using existing songs, and I just couldn’t think of any songs that wouldn’t distract me from the scene.
    It depends very much on subtlety with placement and volume in the overall soundmix. Ready Player One achieved the miracle of using a huge number of classic songs in all kinds of scenes without annoying me in the slightest, and part of the trick was blending them comparatively subtly into the surrounding, not blaring them into the audience's face, as more or less every other film does.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    There are actually great artists pursuing the job to take things on, EON just isn't interested in hiring them at the moment. It's clear they have chosen their direction and have determined to follow it to it's terminus. It's just sad that what seemed incidental in CR has been blown up to such degree that it's taken over almost everything else. I don't think I'm the only one who felt they should move away from the arthouse direction and not imbrace it evermore. It's only for one film ofcourse, but Danny Boyle seems like they're going to double down on the aspects of SP that I felt were least effective, and least effective of the era as a whole. The bright side is that Boyle all but guarantees a standalone adventure, which is a step in the right direction if you're are a glass half full type of person.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    bondjames wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    It's just that I am somehow struggling to see how his approach, which I admit I have limited exposure to, will gel with the Craig Bond as defined over the past decade. Villeneuve I could see far more readily. I suppose that's where the 'golden idea' could come into play. Something highly unexpected.
    @bondjames, I´m not sure that we can speak of his approach in the singular, because I´ve seen what seems like a vast variety of approaches in his films.
    I guess something like a combination of the scifi and glitter of Sunshine and the rough boyish charme of T2 Trainspotting already would go a long way in a Bond film.
    I hear you @boldfinger, and I didn't mean to suggest that he only has one way about him. I'm sure he is versatile. I'm not really commenting on him, but rather him in the context of the Craig Bond, who let's face it is a pretty serious and dour fellow imho. That is what Whishaw alluded to, and that is what I am having some difficulty reconciling.
    @bondjames, Boyle did lighthearted characters as well as Zombies and Steve Jobs. A serious and dour James Bond wouldnvt be much of a stranger to Boyle. He would be rather equipped to blend Craigbond's dour side with horror as well as lighter situations.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    boldfinger wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    It's just that I am somehow struggling to see how his approach, which I admit I have limited exposure to, will gel with the Craig Bond as defined over the past decade. Villeneuve I could see far more readily. I suppose that's where the 'golden idea' could come into play. Something highly unexpected.
    @bondjames, I´m not sure that we can speak of his approach in the singular, because I´ve seen what seems like a vast variety of approaches in his films.
    I guess something like a combination of the scifi and glitter of Sunshine and the rough boyish charme of T2 Trainspotting already would go a long way in a Bond film.
    I hear you @boldfinger, and I didn't mean to suggest that he only has one way about him. I'm sure he is versatile. I'm not really commenting on him, but rather him in the context of the Craig Bond, who let's face it is a pretty serious and dour fellow imho. That is what Whishaw alluded to, and that is what I am having some difficulty reconciling.
    @bondjames, Boyle did lighthearted characters as well as Zombies and Steve Jobs. A serious and dour James Bond wouldnvt be much of a stranger to Boyle. He would be rather equipped to blend Craigbond's dour side with horror as well as lighter situations.
    Ah, I see @boldfinger. That's good to know. As mentioned, I am a bit of a novice when it comes to all things Boyle. Based on the reddit leaks, they are supposedly planning for a lighter tone, so he has his work cut out for him to ensure it's done in a more credible and authentic fashion than Mendes's attempt in SP, particularly with Craig as lead imho.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    There are actually great artists pursuing the job to take things on, EON just isn't interested in hiring them at the moment. It's clear they have chosen their direction and have determined to follow it to it's terminus. It's just sad that what seemed incidental in CR has been blown up to such degree that it's taken over almost everything else. I don't think I'm the only one who felt they should move away from the arthouse direction and not imbrace it evermore. It's only for one film ofcourse, but Danny Boyle seems like they're going to double down on the aspects of SP that I felt were least effective, and least effective of the era as a whole. The bright side is that Boyle all but guarantees a standalone adventure, which is a step in the right direction if you're are a glass half full type of person.

    That’s my concern as well, that EON seem to have not realized that “art house” and Bond mix about as well as dropping crap in a martini.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
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    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    There are actually great artists pursuing the job to take things on, EON just isn't interested in hiring them at the moment. It's clear they have chosen their direction and have determined to follow it to it's terminus. It's just sad that what seemed incidental in CR has been blown up to such degree that it's taken over almost everything else. I don't think I'm the only one who felt they should move away from the arthouse direction and not imbrace it evermore. It's only for one film ofcourse, but Danny Boyle seems like they're going to double down on the aspects of SP that I felt were least effective, and least effective of the era as a whole. The bright side is that Boyle all but guarantees a standalone adventure, which is a step in the right direction if you're are a glass half full type of person.

    That’s my concern as well, that EON seem to have not realized that “art house” and Bond mix about as well as dropping crap in a martini.
    The critical reception and box office success of SKYFALL proves that your statement is WRONG.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    There are actually great artists pursuing the job to take things on, EON just isn't interested in hiring them at the moment. It's clear they have chosen their direction and have determined to follow it to it's terminus. It's just sad that what seemed incidental in CR has been blown up to such degree that it's taken over almost everything else. I don't think I'm the only one who felt they should move away from the arthouse direction and not imbrace it evermore. It's only for one film ofcourse, but Danny Boyle seems like they're going to double down on the aspects of SP that I felt were least effective, and least effective of the era as a whole. The bright side is that Boyle all but guarantees a standalone adventure, which is a step in the right direction if you're are a glass half full type of person.

    That’s my concern as well, that EON seem to have not realized that “art house” and Bond mix about as well as dropping crap in a martini.
    The critical reception and box office success of SKYFALL proves that your statement is WRONG.

    Not that I agree with BMW’s statement entirely but since when is skyfall art house. On the contrary it borrows so heavily from box office monster films like the avengers and other superhero films and uses cliches that it is a product of the time it is made in. Nothing screams art house.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
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    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    There are actually great artists pursuing the job to take things on, EON just isn't interested in hiring them at the moment. It's clear they have chosen their direction and have determined to follow it to it's terminus. It's just sad that what seemed incidental in CR has been blown up to such degree that it's taken over almost everything else. I don't think I'm the only one who felt they should move away from the arthouse direction and not imbrace it evermore. It's only for one film ofcourse, but Danny Boyle seems like they're going to double down on the aspects of SP that I felt were least effective, and least effective of the era as a whole. The bright side is that Boyle all but guarantees a standalone adventure, which is a step in the right direction if you're are a glass half full type of person.

    That’s my concern as well, that EON seem to have not realized that “art house” and Bond mix about as well as dropping crap in a martini.
    The critical reception and box office success of SKYFALL proves that your statement is WRONG.

    Not that I agree with BMW’s statement entirely but since when is skyfall art house. On the contrary it borrows so heavily from box office monster films like the avengers and other superhero films and uses cliches that it is a product of the time it is made in. Nothing screams art house.
    Heavily borrows from superhero films??? WHAT???
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    There are actually great artists pursuing the job to take things on, EON just isn't interested in hiring them at the moment. It's clear they have chosen their direction and have determined to follow it to it's terminus. It's just sad that what seemed incidental in CR has been blown up to such degree that it's taken over almost everything else. I don't think I'm the only one who felt they should move away from the arthouse direction and not imbrace it evermore. It's only for one film ofcourse, but Danny Boyle seems like they're going to double down on the aspects of SP that I felt were least effective, and least effective of the era as a whole. The bright side is that Boyle all but guarantees a standalone adventure, which is a step in the right direction if you're are a glass half full type of person.

    That’s my concern as well, that EON seem to have not realized that “art house” and Bond mix about as well as dropping crap in a martini.
    The critical reception and box office success of SKYFALL proves that your statement is WRONG.

    Not that I agree with BMW’s statement entirely but since when is skyfall art house. On the contrary it borrows so heavily from box office monster films like the avengers and other superhero films and uses cliches that it is a product of the time it is made in. Nothing screams art house.
    Heavily borrows from superhero films??? WHAT???

    You’ve never heard SF compared to the Dark Knight trilogy?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Skyfall feels arthouse to me, but it works mostly. SP wanted to move away from that, wisely but also bore the weight of having to be another "cerreberal" Bond film in the Craig mould. It was then we knew we would get back to the classic feel with Craig on the role, no matter how many staples like the gun barrel they bring back. It's just something different, and from that perspective Boyle is about the most different it could get. It seems like they are going full bore, before they return to something more traditional with a reboot.
  • RC7RC7
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    There are actually great artists pursuing the job to take things on, EON just isn't interested in hiring them at the moment. It's clear they have chosen their direction and have determined to follow it to it's terminus. It's just sad that what seemed incidental in CR has been blown up to such degree that it's taken over almost everything else. I don't think I'm the only one who felt they should move away from the arthouse direction and not imbrace it evermore. It's only for one film ofcourse, but Danny Boyle seems like they're going to double down on the aspects of SP that I felt were least effective, and least effective of the era as a whole. The bright side is that Boyle all but guarantees a standalone adventure, which is a step in the right direction if you're are a glass half full type of person.

    You’re wrong. I know of several people who’ve been approached and simply won’t do it.
  • AlexanderWaverlyAlexanderWaverly
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    peter wrote: »
    And how old was Martin Campbell when he did CR? Age, to a certain point on either end of the spectrum, has little to do with creative vision/energy.

    He turned 52 before GoldenEye the movie came out 63 before Casino Royale came out. Born Oct. 24, 1943.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    edited May 2018 Posts: 4,619
    Marc Forster was announced to direct QOS on the 19th of June 2007. Would it be reasonable to start worrying if Boyle or someone else is not officially announced by the end of the next month?
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    Maybe we all expect what they did with the official news with spectre by dropping announcements so soon I still think eon is being extra careful this time after the Sony leaks with spectre
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Marc Forster was announced to direct QOS on the 19th of June 2007. Would it be reasonable to start worrying if Boyle or someone else is not officially announced by the end of the next month?

    It would be reasonable to start getting excited if that happens.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Yann Demange or Denis Villeneuve, perhaps? ;)

    Villeneuve would have been my dream for both Bond 25 and 26. I'm sure his Dune will be good but why he'd choose to do that instead of Bond?

    He wanted to make Dune for a very long time, and the Bond series isn't going anywhere, so it'll always be awaiting him when he's available and wanting to direct one.

    Maybe but still. Boyle is competent enough but he's a bit too established for my taste.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Marc Forster was announced to direct QOS on the 19th of June 2007. Would it be reasonable to start worrying if Boyle or someone else is not officially announced by the end of the next month?

    It would be reasonable to start getting excited if that happens.
    If the director of Bond 25 is not announced by the end of next month, I will be assuming that Craig is OUT.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Annapurna has dropped hints that they will be participating,
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Marc Forster was announced to direct QOS on the 19th of June 2007. Would it be reasonable to start worrying if Boyle or someone else is not officially announced by the end of the next month?

    no. Boyle is director for 25.
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    @peter like this kind of hint?
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    There are actually great artists pursuing the job to take things on, EON just isn't interested in hiring them at the moment. It's clear they have chosen their direction and have determined to follow it to it's terminus. It's just sad that what seemed incidental in CR has been blown up to such degree that it's taken over almost everything else. I don't think I'm the only one who felt they should move away from the arthouse direction and not imbrace it evermore. It's only for one film ofcourse, but Danny Boyle seems like they're going to double down on the aspects of SP that I felt were least effective, and least effective of the era as a whole. The bright side is that Boyle all but guarantees a standalone adventure, which is a step in the right direction if you're are a glass half full type of person.

    That’s my concern as well, that EON seem to have not realized that “art house” and Bond mix about as well as dropping crap in a martini.
    The critical reception and box office success of SKYFALL proves that your statement is WRONG.

    Not that I agree with BMW’s statement entirely but since when is skyfall art house. On the contrary it borrows so heavily from box office monster films like the avengers and other superhero films and uses cliches that it is a product of the time it is made in. Nothing screams art house.
    Heavily borrows from superhero films??? WHAT???

    -poor cgi
    - villains with cartoon deformities
    - villains who know everything and get themselves caught
    - a plotless series of events

    Skyfall chases the solo style super hero films
    Spectre chases the group team up connected universe style super hero film
    B25 will probably chase the logan type super hero film
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Goldeneye0094 wrote: »


    @peter like this kind of hint?

    I'm not a gambling man, @Goldeneye0094 , but, if I were, I would say DC is Bond for 25, no matter what (outside of N. Korea bombing the shit out of everything that is holy), Boyle is the director; Annapurna is distributing in some capacity.
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    Annapurna is distributing domestic and Warner Brothers is international
  • AlexanderWaverlyAlexanderWaverly
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    Goldeneye0094 wrote: »
    Annapurna is distributing domestic and Warner Brothers is international

    Hasn't been announced yet. Also, in all likelihood, it's not Annapurna per se, rather the MGM-Annapurna joint venture, set up to release each other's movies in the U.S. At least that's what Deadline:Hollywood reported in November 2017 was going to happen. But there never was a confirming announcement.

    Meanwhile, I keep seeing people claim it's a cinch Warner Bros. is a cinch for international distribution. If that's the case, why did WB set the release date for Wonder Woman 2 so close to the announced distribution date for Bond 25?
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