No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    They must have a mole on this here forum!
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Yep, @Murdock's eve made the poster so it must be true.
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    How far into the director search is EON likely to be, with date announcement for B25 released, and Demange possibly spotted at EON HQ?
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    I have no faith in the veracity of these particualr reports but 2 more makes a lot of sense. They've just brought back Spectre. Craig returns and they're just going to wrap it all up in one film? Doesn't make sense.

    Two more films rings true to me. I've been saying that for a long time.
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    NOT happening: "Never Dream of Dying" adaptation, the title "Shatterhand", Croatia
    (very likely) HAPPENING: the return of Craig, Villeneuve, Demange or McKenzie (probably Demange), EON selling the franchise after Bond 25, HUGE shakeup with Bond 26

    It's soo easy to tell which rumors are complete BS, and which aren't.
  • Thunderball007Thunderball007 United States
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    So, what about Demange spotted at Eon?
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    Getafix wrote: »
    I have no faith in the veracity of these particualr reports but 2 more makes a lot of sense. They've just brought back Spectre. Craig returns and they're just going to wrap it all up in one film? Doesn't make sense.

    Two more films rings true to me. I've been saying that for a long time.

    That'd be great, but we're lucky if we get Craig back for one let alone two.
  • DrShatterhandDrShatterhand Garden of Death, near Belfast
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    Stuff those Never Dream Of Dying rumours...there could be something to EON going down the Logan route after all! lol

    http://thestudioexec.com/timothy-dalton-signs-on-for-old-bond/
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    By the way, is the topic title not a bit misleading: "B25 won't be based on Never Dream of Dying" ?? I mean, Raymond Benson confirmed that he wasn't approached by EON for one of his books, not that "B25 won't be based on Never Dream of Dying"? I mean, just don't change the topic title........
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
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    We have a release date, which means the project is green-lit, which means Eon (probably) picked their distributor already, no? Also, would it be naive to surmise that B25 has officially reached "Pre-Production" status now?
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Just to again play devil's advocate, Benson confirmed that he hasn't been approached by EON; that does not exclude a third party. How manyactors, directors, title artist and more have staunchly denied involvement only to later confirm?
  • Murdock wrote: »
    Plus who knows, it might come earlier than expected. :-bd

    As I gravely warn all my dates. (But without the double thumbs up.)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Mendes perfectly summarizing the conundrum they face in trying to please people (Nov 2015 interview). At least he shows here that he understands it. Sort of sums up opinions on this thread and many others on this forum

  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Mendes perfectly summarizing the conundrum they face in trying to please people (Nov 2015 interview). At least he shows here that he understands it. Sort of sums up opinions on this thread and many others on this forum


    And he failed miserably by trying to do everything at once.
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    I feel that Campbell understands the joy of being Bond far more than Mendes and many others.
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    In fact, I'm sure many on here will be aware of "Antagony and Ecstasy", an indie movie review site that is still visitable even though the author has moved on.

    In any case, Timothy has written a review of every Bond film based on a particular formula. For those who haven't seen them, they are incomparable.

    One of the criteria is "lifestyle porn". The glitz, the glamor, the savoir faire that some Bond instalments excel at while others don't.

    I would argue that Mendes makes the appearance of understanding this crucial element, but his two entries are curiously devoid of true lifestyle porn.

    I will take DC hungrily eating caviar on toast after his poker win over any number of Mendes' artful compositions.

    Whoever next holds the megaphone needs to get out of Bond's head and into his lifestyle. The hotel bookings, the food, the casinos, the opera.

    This is what sets Bond apart from all the market competitors.

    Combine lifestyle porn with a tight spy thriller and winner, winner chicken dinner.
  • GetCarter wrote: »
    Whoever next holds the megaphone needs to get out of Bond's head and into his lifestyle. The hotel bookings, the food, the casinos, the opera.

    Combine this with a tight spy thriller and winner, winner chicken dinner.

    Which is in fact synonymous with Quantum of Solace. A tight spy thriller full of the Bond lifestyle and arguably Craig's best performance in the tux. Moan about the editing all you want, Forster got Bond like few others have. I hope whoever helms the next one has such a grasp of the character.
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    GetCarter wrote: »
    Whoever next holds the megaphone needs to get out of Bond's head and into his lifestyle. The hotel bookings, the food, the casinos, the opera.

    Combine this with a tight spy thriller and winner, winner chicken dinner.

    Which is in fact synonymous with Quantum of Solace. A tight spy thriller full of the Bond lifestyle and arguably Craig's best performance in the tux. Moan about the editing all you want, Forster got Bond like few others have. I hope whoever helms the next one has such a grasp of the character.

    Yeah QoS is interesting. I agree that Forster understood the concept, but I wanted more.

  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    It's actually SeaFire. According to The Mirror anyway.
    John Gardner's SeaFire caper by the villain (eco-terrorism, creating an oil disaster to apply a supposed remedy and claim victory plus a hero's crown) is a decent concept to pursue.

    I very much enjoyed your blog post on SeaFire from 7 August 2012, @Dragonpol. Very interesting the relations you report to World War II and even Dunkirk. And I work in the petroleum world, so all that background was great to see.

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    antovolk wrote: »
    Of course that torture scene was tacked on, they've been playing around with different takes on that scene all through production haha.

    Anyway the article does mention YOLT and if I had to guess that'll probably be the main inspiration for B25. Will be shocked if it isn't. And Shatterhand, as obvious as it is, is the perfect title.

    I'd be schocked as well if YOLT wasn't the main inspiration for SP.
    You and I and others were kicking this around as far back as the leaks thread in the pre-spectre days. It was clear that the new SP story was riffing on OHMSS. The "we have all the time in the world line " was eventually dropped, but it was there for a while.
    The potential for working with Fleming's original unused post-OHMSS continuity, found in YOLT & TMWTGG was very apparent, glaringly so.
    Nothing has changed really. The Shatterhand seeds were planted way back in the SP script-development days.
    There were even reports back then that both Waltz and Seydoux, had been tentatively asked to commit to a 2nd film.
    I think Seydoux's return has probably been scrapped as not needed, but I'd say Waltz is very much wanted.
    I think Eon has been committed to this approach all along, but it did require Craig continuing, so that needed to be firmed up, and my guess, is that that is being done, possibly for two films, which would make good business sense.
    An announcement will come, I think when the timing is opportune.
    Lock Craig in for two more films, on a schedule, and away you go.
    Shatterhand I would say is very very good bet for the new title. Dare I say lock? Not without some inside dope, but I'd be prepared to go banco on that.

    As for the Never Dream of Dying book, being an influence.
    That is out of left field. It's possible P&W might like something from the book, but there is no prior reportage of any substance to support this.
    As for the YOLT and TMWTGG elements, I think that's what we are looking at - elements, and working with the broad strokes - working with the Fleming story in a modern retelling.
    There will not be Tracy, but with Blofeld being revived in SP, and even Bunt, in early SP drafts, there is potential for any of Tiger, Dikko or Scaramanga being revived---Scaramanga if we are talking two more films in this arc.
    Kissy probably not. Tiger might be a stretch too, as they are both closely associated with the already done YOLT film, and were already portrayed pretty close to Fleming.
    However, with Fleming's Dikko and Scaramanga, there is opportunity to get closer to these original characters.

    Babs, MGW and P&W are all very conversant in Fleming, so they would know how to use these characters, and the Fleming storylines.
  • 007Blofeld wrote: »

    It's not even their story. The Mirror is citing the Daily Star.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Didn't a trusted source here mention filming two back to back?
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @GetCarter -- yes man, agree with you 100%...
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    It's actually SeaFire. According to The Mirror anyway.
    John Gardner's SeaFire caper by the villain (eco-terrorism, creating an oil disaster to apply a supposed remedy and claim victory plus a hero's crown) is a decent concept to pursue.

    I very much enjoyed your blog post on SeaFire from 7 August 2012, @Dragonpol. Very interesting the relations you report to World War II and even Dunkirk. And I work in the petroleum world, so all that background was great to see.

    ed09e103f1774df7280e8f642e3424d7--james-bond-a-fan.jpgb?b=RkSL2NSx4Vg3CLHP2XGvnw&cache=14916890571358564.jpg

    Thank you, @RichardTheBruce. Glad you enjoyed the article. It was something different from me.
  • Thunderball007Thunderball007 United States
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    GetCarter wrote: »
    In fact, I'm sure many on here will be aware of "Antagony and Ecstasy", an indie movie review site that is still visitable even though the author has moved on.

    In any case, Timothy has written a review of every Bond film based on a particular formula. For those who haven't seen them, they are incomparable.

    One of the criteria is "lifestyle porn". The glitz, the glamor, the savoir faire that some Bond instalments excel at while others don't.

    I would argue that Mendes makes the appearance of understanding this crucial element, but his two entries are curiously devoid of true lifestyle porn.

    I will take DC hungrily eating caviar on toast after his poker win over any number of Mendes' artful compositions.

    Whoever next holds the megaphone needs to get out of Bond's head and into his lifestyle. The hotel bookings, the food, the casinos, the opera.

    This is what sets Bond apart from all the market competitors.

    Combine lifestyle porn with a tight spy thriller and winner, winner chicken dinner.

    @GetCarter

    Link for that website? I wish to read.

  • mattjoesmattjoes THE MOONRAKER TAPES ARE LOST THE MOONRAKER TAPES ARE LOST
    edited July 2017 Posts: 7,050
    GetCarter wrote: »
    In fact, I'm sure many on here will be aware of "Antagony and Ecstasy", an indie movie review site that is still visitable even though the author has moved on.

    In any case, Timothy has written a review of every Bond film based on a particular formula. For those who haven't seen them, they are incomparable.

    One of the criteria is "lifestyle porn". The glitz, the glamor, the savoir faire that some Bond instalments excel at while others don't.

    I would argue that Mendes makes the appearance of understanding this crucial element, but his two entries are curiously devoid of true lifestyle porn.

    I will take DC hungrily eating caviar on toast after his poker win over any number of Mendes' artful compositions.

    Whoever next holds the megaphone needs to get out of Bond's head and into his lifestyle. The hotel bookings, the food, the casinos, the opera.

    This is what sets Bond apart from all the market competitors.

    Combine lifestyle porn with a tight spy thriller and winner, winner chicken dinner.

    This guy is absolutely right. I think the lack of "lifestyle porn" is less problematic in Spectre than in Skyfall, but it's a definite weakness in both of Mendes' films. It is as if the filmmakers assumed that, because one was likely to be familiar enough with the previous Bond films, there was no further need to really focus on the glamour, as if it was something getting in the way of the story, the drama, the characters, whereas in fact, glamour is an essential element of these movies, and it can't never be emphasized enough. In fact, those other aspects can be almost subservient to it, as Moonraker exemplifies.
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    GetCarter wrote: »
    In fact, I'm sure many on here will be aware of "Antagony and Ecstasy", an indie movie review site that is still visitable even though the author has moved on.

    In any case, Timothy has written a review of every Bond film based on a particular formula. For those who haven't seen them, they are incomparable.

    One of the criteria is "lifestyle porn". The glitz, the glamor, the savoir faire that some Bond instalments excel at while others don't.

    I would argue that Mendes makes the appearance of understanding this crucial element, but his two entries are curiously devoid of true lifestyle porn.

    I will take DC hungrily eating caviar on toast after his poker win over any number of Mendes' artful compositions.

    Whoever next holds the megaphone needs to get out of Bond's head and into his lifestyle. The hotel bookings, the food, the casinos, the opera.

    This is what sets Bond apart from all the market competitors.

    Combine lifestyle porn with a tight spy thriller and winner, winner chicken dinner.

    @GetCarter

    Link for that website? I wish to read.

    I just checked and you need to go through his new site, called alternate ending.
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    GetCarter wrote: »
    In fact, I'm sure many on here will be aware of "Antagony and Ecstasy", an indie movie review site that is still visitable even though the author has moved on.

    In any case, Timothy has written a review of every Bond film based on a particular formula. For those who haven't seen them, they are incomparable.

    One of the criteria is "lifestyle porn". The glitz, the glamor, the savoir faire that some Bond instalments excel at while others don't.

    I would argue that Mendes makes the appearance of understanding this crucial element, but his two entries are curiously devoid of true lifestyle porn.

    I will take DC hungrily eating caviar on toast after his poker win over any number of Mendes' artful compositions.

    Whoever next holds the megaphone needs to get out of Bond's head and into his lifestyle. The hotel bookings, the food, the casinos, the opera.

    This is what sets Bond apart from all the market competitors.

    Combine lifestyle porn with a tight spy thriller and winner, winner chicken dinner.

    This guy is absolutely right. I think the lack of "lifestyle porn" is less problematic in Spectre than in Skyfall, but it's a definite weakness in both of Mendes' films. It is as if the filmmakers assumed that, because one was likely to be familiar enough with the previous Bond films, there was no further need to really focus on the glamour, as if it was something getting in the way of the story, the drama, the characters, whereas in fact, glamour is an essential element of these movies, and it can't never be emphasized enough. In fact, those other aspects can be almost subservient to it, as Moonraker exemplifies.

    Lol, yes. Love the movies that deliver lifestyle porn at all costs.

    FYEO has always stood out to me as a film that perfectly combines lifestyle porn and tight spy-jinks.

    Exhibit A - Bond and Cristatos having the most wonderfully pompous dinner.
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