Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)

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  • edited August 2013 Posts: 2,598
    I read on a website that Batman and Superman will have a showdown in the sequel to Man of Steel. Surely they don't mean a physical fight as there is just no way Batman would win as much as I would like him to. I suppose if Batman carries Kryptonite around with him all the time then that would help him.

    Liked that animated clip.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Batman can beat anyone. All he needs is prep time.
  • edited August 2013 Posts: 2,598
    It's just that Superman has superpowers. Batman is just a normal man.

    I loved how in that cartoon posted on the previous page Batman was portrayed as more of a rebellious man opposed to Superman, the boy scout. :)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    doubleoego wrote:
    Batman can beat anyone. All he needs is prep time.

    Precisely.
    Bounine wrote:
    It's just that Superman has superpowers. Batman is just a normal man.

    I loved how in that cartoon posted on the previous page Batman was portrayed as opposed to Superman, the boy scout. :)

    That's his fatal flaw. He doesn't understand the limitations of mortal man like Batman does. He hasn't looked death in the face like Batman, and wasn't formed by the darkness as he was. Therefore Superman can't understand the darkest forms of crime and is unable to do what is necessary to stop them, even if it means breaking limbs. He has too much of a passive reaction to crime, where he will stop any evil going on, but won't do anything beyond a friendly capture to ensure nothing of that sort occurs constantly afterwards. Guys that Superman captures will no doubt do it over and over again because they know he won't hurt them or give them any serious consequences to their crimes. Batman on the other hand takes a more fear based, tactical approach where he will go so far as to pummel guys, where a broken limb or two means they are off the streets for a while afterwards, making Gotham less crime afflicted when he has to take on his biggest foes. He puts the fear inside these thugs, and they will be less likely to return to the streets after he has dealt with them properly.

    Superman just doesn't do anything for me, I guess. There are only a few things you can do with him that are interesting, because ironically enough, superpowers have just grown to be boring. I don't give a crap if you can fly, have super strength or heat vision. The heroes that interest me are like Batman, who don't have the easy way out through their powers and who have to face the possibility of death every single day they go out and fight crime. For these reasons and more I find Batman to be a spectacularly interesting character amongst a bunch of snores, like Superman. If I am a bigger DC fan than a Marvel fan, it is single-handily because of Batman, and nobody else.
  • edited August 2013 Posts: 2,598
    doubleoego wrote:
    Batman can beat anyone. All he needs is prep time.

    Precisely.
    Bounine wrote:
    It's just that Superman has superpowers. Batman is just a normal man.

    I loved how in that cartoon posted on the previous page Batman was portrayed as opposed to Superman, the boy scout. :)

    That's his fatal flaw. He doesn't understand the limitations of mortal man like Batman does. He hasn't looked death in the face like Batman, and wasn't formed by the darkness as he was. Therefore Superman can't understand the darkest forms of crime and is unable to do what is necessary to stop them, even if it means breaking limbs. He has too much of a passive reaction to crime, where he will stop any evil going on, but won't do anything beyond a friendly capture to ensure nothing of that sort occurs constantly afterwards. Guys that Superman captures will no doubt do it over and over again because they know he won't hurt them or give them any serious consequences to their crimes. Batman on the other hand takes a more fear based, tactical approach where he will go so far as to pummel guys, where a broken limb or two means they are off the streets for a while afterwards, making Gotham less crime afflicted when he has to take on his biggest foes. He puts the fear inside these thugs, and they will be less likely to return to the streets after he has dealt with them properly.

    Superman just doesn't do anything for me, I guess. There are only a few things you can do with him that are interesting, because ironically enough, superpowers have just grown to be boring. I don't give a crap if you can fly, have super strength or heat vision. The heroes that interest me are like Batman, who don't have the easy way out through their powers and who have to face the possibility of death every single day they go out and fight crime. For these reasons and more I find Batman to be a spectacularly interesting character amongst a bunch of snores, like Superman. If I am a bigger DC fan than a Marvel fan, it is single-handily because of Batman, and nobody else.


    I agree. Spiderman used to be my favourite when I was a kid but now it's Batman (excluding James Bond of course :) ) for the reasons you provide.

    Even with more prep time though, how could Batman win a one on one fight against Superman with all his superpowers? Presuming Batman hasn't any kryptonite on him ofcourse. I'm just wondering. I haven't read the comics, so I'm not all keyed up with it. They said on a movie website that they'd be a showdown between SM and BM in the sequel to Man of Steel. Maybe they didn't mean an actual lengthy fight but who knows... I hope that the new Batman will be as good as Christian Bale. As for the new Batman films, I hope they don't do another reboot. It would just be totally unnecessary after Nolan did such a good job.

    My above post was meant to read:

    I loved how in that cartoon posted on the previous page Batman was portrayed as more of a rebellious man opposed to Superman, the boy scout.
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    I believe this release will perhaps be the best feature film since Skyfall. Any film can be improved upon by the gracing of Batman- and ergo his alter ego, Bruce Wayne, portrayed elegantly three times over by the magnificent Christian Bale, who will find in Mr. Cavill a showdown of excellent proportions. This is a necessary film, full of decisions that thrill me down to my toes. Superman vs. Batman? The time is now.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Bounine wrote:
    doubleoego wrote:
    Batman can beat anyone. All he needs is prep time.

    Precisely.
    Bounine wrote:
    It's just that Superman has superpowers. Batman is just a normal man.

    I loved how in that cartoon posted on the previous page Batman was portrayed as opposed to Superman, the boy scout. :)

    That's his fatal flaw. He doesn't understand the limitations of mortal man like Batman does. He hasn't looked death in the face like Batman, and wasn't formed by the darkness as he was. Therefore Superman can't understand the darkest forms of crime and is unable to do what is necessary to stop them, even if it means breaking limbs. He has too much of a passive reaction to crime, where he will stop any evil going on, but won't do anything beyond a friendly capture to ensure nothing of that sort occurs constantly afterwards. Guys that Superman captures will no doubt do it over and over again because they know he won't hurt them or give them any serious consequences to their crimes. Batman on the other hand takes a more fear based, tactical approach where he will go so far as to pummel guys, where a broken limb or two means they are off the streets for a while afterwards, making Gotham less crime afflicted when he has to take on his biggest foes. He puts the fear inside these thugs, and they will be less likely to return to the streets after he has dealt with them properly.

    Superman just doesn't do anything for me, I guess. There are only a few things you can do with him that are interesting, because ironically enough, superpowers have just grown to be boring. I don't give a crap if you can fly, have super strength or heat vision. The heroes that interest me are like Batman, who don't have the easy way out through their powers and who have to face the possibility of death every single day they go out and fight crime. For these reasons and more I find Batman to be a spectacularly interesting character amongst a bunch of snores, like Superman. If I am a bigger DC fan than a Marvel fan, it is single-handily because of Batman, and nobody else.


    I agree. Spiderman used to be my favourite when I was a kid but now it's Batman (excluding James Bond of course :) ) for the reasons you provide.

    Even with more prep time though, how could Batman win a one on one fight against Superman with all his superpowers? Presuming Batman hasn't any kryptonite on him ofcourse. I'm just wondering. I haven't read the comics, so I'm not all keyed up with it. They said on a movie website that they'd be a showdown between SM and BM in the sequel to Man of Steel. Maybe they didn't mean an actual lengthy fight but who knows... I hope that the new Batman will be as good as Christian Bale. As for the new Batman films, I hope they don't do another reboot. It would just be totally unnecessary after Nolan did such a good job.

    My above post was meant to read:

    I loved how in that cartoon posted on the previous page Batman was portrayed as more of a rebellious man opposed to Superman, the boy scout.

    Both Batman and Superman have beaten each other tons of times throughout the comics, so there isn't really a definitive winner ever in the ever-changing continuity. Batman is a person who thinks ahead, and creates contingency plans for any of his allies, even Superman and the rest of the JLA (Justice League). They toy with this idea in the comics and also in the brilliant animated shows that DC has released in the past couple of decades. So, Batman has stopped Supes in everything from a metal suit to using a ring of kryptonite.

    If this film does happen, it should be interesting since Batman and Superman have such an cool dynamic, which I hope they really play with. The Detective v.s. the Boy Scout.

    And with this news, it appears that maybe we could still get Bale as Batman:
    http://collider.com/batman-vs-superman-movie-older-batman/
  • edited August 2013 Posts: 2,598
    It doesn't sound like Bale will be cast as much as I'd love him to be. It's a good idea to have an experienced Batman but someone in their late 30's to early 40's is fine. They don't need to jump right up to 45 as then that means the new actor won't be in too many Batman films as he'll be too old sooner. I love that Batman will be in the new Superman flick but I also found it surprising as they've only had one new Superman film. I kind of think that it would be more appropriate to have Batman in Superman 3.
  • edited August 2013 Posts: 6,396
    Now this is the Batman/Superman movie I want to see ;-)

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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Ben Affleck will be playing Batman in the 'Man of Steel' sequel:

    http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=108119
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Ben Affleck will be playing Batman in the 'Man of Steel' sequel:

    http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=108119

    Could work but I have my extreme doubts. :(
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Murdock, Affleck has made quite the comeback in recent years, and he was fantastic in both 'The Town' and 'Argo.' I'm happy with the decision.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @Murdock, Affleck has made quite the comeback in recent years, and he was fantastic in both 'The Town' and 'Argo.' I'm happy with the decision.

    When I get the chance I'll check them out.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Murdock wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    @Murdock, Affleck has made quite the comeback in recent years, and he was fantastic in both 'The Town' and 'Argo.' I'm happy with the decision.

    When I get the chance I'll check them out.

    Although he doesn't star in it, check out 'Gone Baby Gone' if you haven't seen that, either. He directed that and his brother Casey stars in it. Fantastic movie.
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    I am Optistimc about this casting choice I wanted Cooper or Pine but I am ok with Affleck .
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    Ironically he was the first serious rumor to replace Christian Bale in the fall 2012

    Let the Affleck era of batman begin
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited August 2013 Posts: 28,694
    Who could've thought that Ben would end up playing both Superman and Batman during his career?

    He has the look and should be able to give us a great performance, so I look forward to this, though I would prefer Christian. All I want is for Ben to avoid using the overly-rough Batman voice of the Nolan films.
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    http://moviewit.com/ben-affleck-to-play-batman-in-batman-vs-superman-movie-july-17-2015-release-date/

    I can't believe they choose Ben, not that it's a bad choice, just not even the direction I would have guessed.
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    Not the choice I was expecting but I've always been a big fan of Affleck, even in his down years. Will be looking forward to seeing this
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    @bondbat007 Same here, I've always been a fan of Affleck, it will be intresting to see him take off in this role. It will surely redeem himself from the bad critics of Daredevil, ha. (Even though I didn't mind that movie, wasn't that bad.)

    Also Check this out: "The Internet’s Response to Ben Affleck as new BATMAN"
    http://moviewit.com/internets-response-to-ben-affleck-as-new-batman-reaction-to-ben-affleck-as-batman/
  • Posts: 6,601
    Right now he is being slaughtered like DC when he became Bond. I see his talents more in directing though. He looks a bit bland to me and seems more "nice" then charismatic. Time will tell.
  • RC7RC7
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    If only he were directing.
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    Agree with @Creasy47 about his performances in The Town and Argo.

    Given the choice though, I would prefer to have Affleck behind the camera than in front of it.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I think he has enough charisma and is quite good looking. I've always been attracted to Ben and not just because he seems like a nice guy in person (from what we read, I mean). Yes he has proven to be a very good director, but I still enjoy his acting, too. I absolutely loved Argo; I like what he did with that very much.

    I just wonder why he would want to play that iconic character? Interesting. Maybe he has wanted to for a long time. One thing I think is certain; he won't play it camp or over the top. It's an interesting choice for sure.
  • edited August 2013 Posts: 2,782
    Out of the rumoured list, he is the less risky choice...I presumed in the upcoming film he was to be played grizzled and dark. Ben seems to be too clean cut, too hollywood?..

    Richard Armitage, Karl Urban (my choice) and Eric Bana all better than Ben.

    Ben is a studio choice and I doubt if Zak and the writers wanted him IMO.

    Of course they could have thrown a ton of money at Bale and we all would have been happy.

    Then again Ben was great in playing Superman...maybe that's what got the studio off?
  • RC7RC7
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    Given the choice though, I would prefer to have Affleck behind the camera than in front of it.

    Me too. He'd do a better job than Snyder.

    Peculiar career move for Affleck. He seemed to acknowledge that he'd finally found his feet after a slew of bad decisions, Daredevil, Gigli etc. My only conclusion is, how does one turn down Batman? I guess you don't.
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    Staying open minded regarding Ben Affleck as Batman, a name i am sure not many considered. Agree with a few posters his performances have improved as he has matured, could end up being a shrewd choice.
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    Nice thing about the tweets is, that they are ALL referring to DC's Bond as an example, when it went really well.
  • ^ I also referred to DC's Bond when I commented that I'll reserve judgement. Anyway, I'm not really a fan of superheroes and the movies. Still my childhood memories scream that I should see this film. Affleck seems to be a choice to generate more hype for an overly anticipated movie. Anyway, a lot of people will watch it even though they don't make the perfect casting.
  • RC7RC7
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    A positive is his age. I'm glad they went older, it makes sense given the source material (although obviously he's not as old as that). I hope they keep his natural, slightly greying, hair colour. If he can get 10 years out of the role, they could create a neat new cinematic arc for the character.
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