No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited August 2017 Posts: 9,117
    bondjames wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    00Ralf wrote: »
    I can't see it being called Shatterhand, really. Shatterhand only means something to us, Bond-fans, and I'm sure EoN is/will be aware of potential marketing issues when deciding on the name. In German-speaking countries a title like that would only envoke "Winnetou and Old Shatterhand" associations and nothing more, as Karl May is a national treasure over here.

    I'm hoping for an enigmatic Fleming YOLT/LALD-style phrase-title, personally. I'm a bit tired of the single word S-titles.

    No idea what you're on about with the German thing but I can't really see it working either.

    If they cast Waltz then we all know Blofeld is back so to then use the name Shatterhand is totally redundant. It would be a bit stupid to have Bond wandering round Japan saying to himself 'Who on earth could this mysterious Dr Guntram Shatterhand be?' and all the audience shout back 'It's Blofeld mate because we've all seen Waltz's name on the poster.'
    You mean like when they called the last film Spectre, and then let Bond wonder through half of it trying to figure out what it was (even though he was told it was called Quantum by Green two films ago and should have realized this was the same operation when he ran into White again), only for its name to be revealed instead as 'Spectre' by Madeleine? I honestly wouldn't put anything past them.

    Also expecting us to be shocked when Oberhauser revealed he was Blofeld.

    Have you read the debates here before the movie was released? A large number of people believed Max Denbigh was going to be Blofeld. Or M. Or Lucia Sciarra even. I had no issue then and have no issue now with a Jekyll and Hyde or Dracula twist, but you'd be surprised at the number of people who expected something else.

    Yeah, I remember those theories. People even thought that Andrew Scott actually delivered the "You came across me so many times yet you never saw me" line in the trailer, even though that line was dubbed by Waltz's voice actors in foreign versions of the trailer.

    Admittedly, when I walked into the theater back in 2015 I was not 100% sure that Waltz played Blofeld (though I expected it), but that's because I considered EON smarter and I thought they would surprise us. How wrong I was.

    I wonder why people expected to be surprised as if there absolutely HAS to be a twist they hadn't seen coming up. That's why I always considered it a Jekyll and Hyde twist.

    If they wanted no twist, then why didn't they announce that Waltz played Blofeld? Clearly, they wanted us to be surprised.
    Which is rather hilarious when one thinks about it. The fact that they would think it would be a twist. Goes to show we really need a shake up over there because how anyone let this one out in this state (especially given how many people were involved and how much they were paid) is completely beyond my comprehension.

    Let's not forget the cunning subterfuge of 'Naomie Harris is just playing a character called Eve. Definitely not Moneypenny'

    I imagine every time EON pull out one of these genius twists they dance around the office shouting 'Hahaha I fooled you' like Nick Nack in the fun house.

    Youve hired double Oscar winner Christoph Waltz so clearly he is the main villain and in a film called SPECTRE, unless you've got an uncredited cameo by Daniel Day Lewis or Brando up your sleeve, then he's obviously going to be playing Blofeld so why treat everyone like children by pretending he isn't?
    shamanimal wrote: »
    I remember reading Devil May Care, and M says something like "this is the most dangerous villain we've come across James", and it's just left there to be supposed. And it's the same with Spectre. As you rightly point out, "it was all me" isn't enough. The viewer has no emotion invested in hating the villain. You just don't care.

    A new low for EON. When people are comparing the quality of your writing to the monumentally appalling Devil May Care it's time to realise you really would have been better off hiring a pair of the proverbial infinite monkeys who are trying to write the complete works of Shakespeare and let them have a prod at a typewriter for a few months. Couldn't have been a lot worse really.

  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    If Eon was a competent company they would take attention to what the real fans want they could easily have anonymously put on this forum in 2013 that Blofeld could be a step brother, then seen how negitvaly it went over with the fans AND THEN NOT DO IT
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    If Eon was a competent company they would take attention to what the real fans want they could easily have anonymously put on this forum in 2013 that Blofeld could be a step brother, then seen how negitvaly it went over with the fans AND THEN NOT DO IT

    Well, with your criticism the Bond franchise would certainly sail into better territories no?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited August 2017 Posts: 15,534
    bondjames wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    00Ralf wrote: »
    I can't see it being called Shatterhand, really. Shatterhand only means something to us, Bond-fans, and I'm sure EoN is/will be aware of potential marketing issues when deciding on the name. In German-speaking countries a title like that would only envoke "Winnetou and Old Shatterhand" associations and nothing more, as Karl May is a national treasure over here.

    I'm hoping for an enigmatic Fleming YOLT/LALD-style phrase-title, personally. I'm a bit tired of the single word S-titles.

    No idea what you're on about with the German thing but I can't really see it working either.

    If they cast Waltz then we all know Blofeld is back so to then use the name Shatterhand is totally redundant. It would be a bit stupid to have Bond wandering round Japan saying to himself 'Who on earth could this mysterious Dr Guntram Shatterhand be?' and all the audience shout back 'It's Blofeld mate because we've all seen Waltz's name on the poster.'
    You mean like when they called the last film Spectre, and then let Bond wonder through half of it trying to figure out what it was (even though he was told it was called Quantum by Green two films ago and should have realized this was the same operation when he ran into White again), only for its name to be revealed instead as 'Spectre' by Madeleine? I honestly wouldn't put anything past them.

    Also expecting us to be shocked when Oberhauser revealed he was Blofeld.

    Have you read the debates here before the movie was released? A large number of people believed Max Denbigh was going to be Blofeld. Or M. Or Lucia Sciarra even. I had no issue then and have no issue now with a Jekyll and Hyde or Dracula twist, but you'd be surprised at the number of people who expected something else.

    Yeah, I remember those theories. People even thought that Andrew Scott actually delivered the "You came across me so many times yet you never saw me" line in the trailer, even though that line was dubbed by Waltz's voice actors in foreign versions of the trailer.

    Admittedly, when I walked into the theater back in 2015 I was not 100% sure that Waltz played Blofeld (though I expected it), but that's because I considered EON smarter and I thought they would surprise us. How wrong I was.

    I wonder why people expected to be surprised as if there absolutely HAS to be a twist they hadn't seen coming up. That's why I always considered it a Jekyll and Hyde twist.

    If they wanted no twist, then why didn't they announce that Waltz played Blofeld? Clearly, they wanted us to be surprised.
    Which is rather hilarious when one thinks about it. The fact that they would think it would be a twist. Goes to show we really need a shake up over there because how anyone let this one out in this state (especially given how many people were involved and how much they were paid) is completely beyond my comprehension.

    Let's not forget the cunning subterfuge of 'Naomie Harris is just playing a character called Eve. Definitely not Moneypenny'.

    That, hands down, is one of the most idiotic PR interview ever made by any cast/crew member involved in a Bond movie. Eve being Moneypenny or not was totally not important, but whatever ounce of surprise a few of us Bond fans could have had when she reveals her name in the last scene of SF was gone the moment Harris said 'I am not Moneypenny', as it was now obvious to everyone that Eve really was Moneypenny.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    It had been rumoured shortly after she was cast that she was going to play Moneypenny.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited August 2017 Posts: 15,534
    Rumoured, yes, but never confirmed. Anyone who didn't follow the SF production thread and had only seen that Harris interview would put 2 and 2 together and know she was going to be Moneypenny. It wasn't even integral to the plot in any way and someone involved in the film still spilled the beans. Likewise when Waltz denied time and time again he wasn't Blofeld was indirect confirmation that he was, and was a waste of time when the film he was the main villain in is called 'Spectre'.
  • If Eon was a competent company they would take attention to what the real fans want they could easily have anonymously put on this forum in 2013 that Blofeld could be a step brother, then seen how negitvaly it went over with the fans AND THEN NOT DO IT

    Or they could have just watched Austin Powers in Goldmember, cleaned up the chocolate milk that shot out of their noses from shock, then jumped on the phone to cuss Logan out for defamation of Fleming's legacy, silly plagiarism, and gross incompetence.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited August 2017 Posts: 15,534
    I wonder if @TheWizardOfIce could come up with an example of discussion/speculation in a production thread if Bond 23 with Craig wasn't SF but GF (had that novel not been adapted yet), and Gert Frobe, after being cast as the 'mysterious lead villain', would say in every interview that he was definitely not playing Auric Goldfinger.
  • I wonder if @TheWizardOfIce could come up with an example of discussion/speculation in a production thread if Bond 23 with Craig wasn't SF but GF (had that novel not been adapted yet), and Gert Frobe, after being cast as the 'mysterious lead villain', would say in every interview that he was definitely not playing Auric Goldfinger.

    Better still would have been if the film had been called Goldfinger and Fröbe had started out playing Manfrit Bumgartner, only to reveal himself in the third act, swiveling around in an egg chair, as...Auric Goldfinger. To which Bond replies, "Oh, like the nail varnish?"
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    001 wrote: »
    Should bond get rid of his ppk in the next films like Brozza did ?
    And Craig in CR ;-).

  • edited August 2017 Posts: 11,119
    boldfinger wrote: »
    001 wrote: »
    Should bond get rid of his ppk in the next films like Brozza did ?
    And Craig in CR ;-).

    But Craig already got rid of his PPK a few times. I recall he also used the P99
    http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/c/cc/Cr-w99a.jpg/601px-Cr-w99a.jpg
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Manfrit Bumgartner

    I did enjoy that. And people say Carry On humour is dead.
  • Manfrit Bumgartner

    I did enjoy that. And people say Carry On humour is dead.

    Nothing wrong with low hanging fruit.
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    I can see how some fans have been left out since CR. Its been almost eleven years since their preference of a Bond film came out,

    I was all for Mendes coming back after Skyfall, but looking back it was a mistake.

    Spectre was probably the best film on paper since CR, the problem is the action is misdirected, & it has clunky subpar moments.

    I think EON has seen where they misfired & will right the ship in 2019.

    EON moved faster than we thought though, they had a first draft last year & hired a director probably earlier this year,
  • //If Bond can survive Connery, Moore and Brosnan then Craig's overstated value placed upon by EoN just perplexes me.//

    First Bond selected by BB and MGW, rather than Albert R. Broccoli.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    //If Bond can survive Connery, Moore and Brosnan then Craig's overstated value placed upon by EoN just perplexes me.//

    First Bond selected by BB and MGW, rather than Albert R. Broccoli.
    Good point. First one selected by Babs more like. Wilson wanted Cavill from what I recall.

    Difficult to cut that cord but eventually it must be done.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Was it Wilson or Campbell? I remember Wilson being against the idea... or I must've read wrong.
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
    Posts: 16,058
    Wilson and Campbell were in the Cavill camp when Barbara wanted Craig. IIRC.
  • bondjames wrote: »
    //If Bond can survive Connery, Moore and Brosnan then Craig's overstated value placed upon by EoN just perplexes me.//

    First Bond selected by BB and MGW, rather than Albert R. Broccoli.
    Good point. First one selected by Babs more like. Wilson wanted Cavill from what I recall.

    Difficult to cut that cord but eventually it must be done.

    While Bond is certainly bigger than any one actor, there's a lot weighing on the selection of each new Bond actor. They scored with Craig. Perhaps there's some worry about striking gold twice.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    //If Bond can survive Connery, Moore and Brosnan then Craig's overstated value placed upon by EoN just perplexes me.//

    First Bond selected by BB and MGW, rather than Albert R. Broccoli.
    Good point. First one selected by Babs more like. Wilson wanted Cavill from what I recall.

    Difficult to cut that cord but eventually it must be done.

    While Bond is certainly bigger than any one actor, there's a lot weighing on the selection of each new Bond actor. They scored with Craig. Perhaps there's some worry about striking gold twice.
    Inevitably, and I can understand their position and possible point of view, even if I don't share it.

    If only they hadn't tied themselves down with this silly connected storyline I wouldn't be so inclined to want a change.

    Anyway it's probably moot, because if reports are to be believed he's back.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited August 2017 Posts: 9,117

    “The script is nearly ready for the 25th film, provisionally titled Shatterhand and scheduled to be released in November 2019'

    'Script nearly ready'? Over a year before filming is due to start? When last time it wasn't even ready 5 mins before shooting commenced?

    And called Shatterhand but also a remake of OHMSS at the same time? So he's going to marry Madeline, she's going to die and he's going to get his revenge on Blofeld all in one film?

    The usual bollocks based on comments on this forum. We should be getting royalties from these 'journalists'.

    Although I don't think signing Dan up for 2 more films is that far fetched.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited August 2017 Posts: 9,140
    Producer BARBARA BROCCOLI has been spearheading negotiations with the actor, which will take him up to a total of six films as the world’s most famous secret agent.
    SPEARHEAD.
    Great title for the next Bond film, even if it has 9 letters total.
  • I don't have the link yet, but tomorrow The Sun is going to report that Bond will die at the end of the second one. Delicious, isn't it?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    If they're going to remake OHMSS they are going to require a more interesting female lead than Seydoux. I can't see this happening.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited August 2017 Posts: 15,534
    bondjames wrote: »
    If they're going to remake OHMSS they are going to require a more interesting female lead than Seydoux. I can't see this happening.

    Or, alternatively, keep Seydoux but recast Bond. ;) Craig and Seydoux really don't have chemistry together. Most likely not her fault, but she doesn't seem comfortable with the English language. She's very good in talkative french films, and in 'Ghost Protocol' where her English dialogue was minimal.
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    I'm sure a good actor's director can fix that.
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    Let's all take a deep breath. Look on the bright side. These newest fake news articles are certainly way more positive spirited and destroy all the negative "Slash my wrists" aura much sooner :-P
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    bondjames wrote: »
    If they're going to remake OHMSS they are going to require a more interesting female lead than Seydoux. I can't see this happening.

    I think Lea was perfect in the interview/interrogation scene in the Hoffler Clinic. Wonderful multi-layered performance in which Madeleine slowly turned from a bored and slightly dominant doctor into a scared and fragile Honey Rider-esque girl. Lea Seydoux is a marvellous actress. Yet she deserves a slightly better screenplay, so her acting skills flourish much better.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    Although I don't think signing Dan up for 2 more films is that far fetched.
    This has been all but officially confirmed to me, but take it as you will.
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