No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • edited August 2018 Posts: 1,644
    If Boyle s big idea was to kill Bond, why would he walk out in protest of his own idea?

    Boyle might have left over arguments and stress and not the plot. The truth might be he couldn't bear working with B, MG and Craig? If he's a Bond fan, if they liked the script, why would he walk? Any differences over the plot - "the big idea" - it's still just a film. They could be sorted out. Eon is a professional company, Boyle is a respected, professional director. It's hard to imagine plot issues resulting in Boyle leaving. Perhaps it's more about personalities - Boyle unable to deal with Eon or vice versa. Just a guess.
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    If Boyle s big idea was to kill Bond, why would he walk out in protest of his own idea?

    Exactly.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2018 Posts: 23,883
    If Boyle s big idea was to kill Bond, why would he walk out in protest of his own idea?
    The latest twist in the mill is that this was EON's idea in order to walk away cleanly, leaving the door open for a (hard?) reboot under new leadership (Universal?) in the future.

    Also, with regards to directors - the last time they were futzing about with this they didn't have a distributor. Now they have a big gun in Universal at the table. I'm sure they've put forward some suggestions and have some clout to get other names involved.

    Interestingly, Boyle's name broke in February when it was announced he was working on that musical for Universal. At that point I speculated that they may get the job, because they were distributing his musical and the two were being worked on very close together. So perhaps they were instrumental in this deal being arranged.

    Furthermore, didn't Boyle just get this Armistice thing too? Perhaps him leaving really has to do with that. Royal decree and all that. Priorities. He is a patriot after all.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    If this killing Bond off is true it wouldn't surprise me. There was speculation of Bond 25 aping Logan, EoN are tired, out of creative ideas and canyvseem to get these films out in good time on a consistent basis and with rumours of EoN looking to potentially sell, why not kill off Bond, what comes after wouldn't be their problem.

    In any case this is all rather disappointing news. I don't want Bond killed off first and foremost and secondly it's disheartening production is in the state it's in. It's all rather exhausting to be honest. Now is the time for Bond to ushering a slew of films showcasing breathtaking new adventures. EoN just need to level up and evolve their creative process.
  • RC7RC7
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    I think they have wanted there own OHMSS for a while, ever since they put that theme in the SP trailer. That's what SP was supposed to be, I think, and it's only after the mixed reaction that they feel they need another go at it. This might be why they are so desperate to keep hold of Craig, because it's not just him going out on a high, but everyone involved.

    It would also help explain the one picture deal.

    The editor put the OHMSS instrumental on the trailer as a guide track and it stuck.
    bondjames wrote: »
    What I find particularly interesting is the recent media remarks that the original P&W script was provisionally entitled 'Shatterhand' along with this recent speculation of Bond being killed off in Boyle's version (could this be the big 'idea' or 'hook'?).

    If you'll recall, these rumours were around some time back too. So either they are regurgitating or there is potentially some truth to it.

    The thing is that the leaks of both of these approaches in combination with the persistent rumour that Babs wants to cash out after B25 makes all of it rather anticlimactic. The cats out of the bag, as it were.

    So I sincerely hope none of this is true, even though I'll admit I find there to be a certain perverted plausibility in it all.

    The ‘Shatterhand’ link is fan speculation turned rumour, as is most of the ‘detail’ the press use to add a veneer of credibility. Not to say they hadn’t eyed that angle, but I wouldn’t take that too seriously.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe "I need a year off" Craig
    edited August 2018 Posts: 7,316
    I really am starting to feel like EON actually sell, and handover to Christopher Nolan after Bond 25 (or sooner if Craig backs out). MGW probably won't have any hand in Bond 26 anyway, given his age, and it appears Barbara does not want to move into a new direction with Bond. Each of the Craig films have tried new ways of packing an emotional punch, and it has proven successful for EON. It they are preparing for one last adventure what could be more memorable and a bigger emotional punch than telling the story of Bond's death? That is kinda a unique selling point, and drills home the finality that EON probably wish to leave on.
  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    If this killing Bond off is true it wouldn't surprise me. There was speculation of Bond 25 aping Logan, EoN are tired, out of creative ideas and canyvseem to get these films out in good time on a consistent basis and with rumours of EoN looking to potentially sell, why not kill off Bond, what comes after wouldn't be their problem.

    In any case this is all rather disappointing news. I don't want Bond killed off first and foremost and secondly it's disheartening production is in the state it's in. It's all rather exhausting to be honest. Now is the time for Bond to ushering a slew of films showcasing breathtaking new adventures. EoN just need to level up and evolve their creative process.
    doubleoego wrote: »
    If this killing Bond off is true it wouldn't surprise me. There was speculation of Bond 25 aping Logan, EoN are tired, out of creative ideas and canyvseem to get these films out in good time on a consistent basis and with rumours of EoN looking to potentially sell, why not kill off Bond, what comes after wouldn't be their problem.

    In any case this is all rather disappointing news. I don't want Bond killed off first and foremost and secondly it's disheartening production is in the state it's in. It's all rather exhausting to be honest. Now is the time for Bond to ushering a slew of films showcasing breathtaking new adventures. EoN just need to level up and evolve their creative process.

    1. As a James Bond fan I would not pay for a ticket to watch may hero get killed.
    2. As a company behind James Bond I would not let the hero get killed when the last 4 outings made all far more than 500 mio at the box office.
  • RC7RC7
    edited August 2018 Posts: 10,512
    I don’t put much stock in EON walking away (although perhaps that’s wishful thinking), this feels to me like a bid to round out Craig’s tenure with a true sense of finality. Then with B26 they’ll return with a new Bond and a new emphasis.

    NB. It’s best to view Craig’s Bond as it’s own standalone block of films, outside the floating timeline of the rest. In that regard killing Bond isn’t killing Bond. It’s killing Craig-Bond. It would also go some way to repairing the mess they made with Blofeld, by essentially boxing the films off as their own very distinct series within the series.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Furthermore, didn't Boyle just get this Armistice thing too? Perhaps him leaving really has to do with that. Royal decree and all that. Priorities. He is a patriot after all.
    It certainly has nothing to do with that as when Boyle was offically announced to direct Bond 25 in May, it was already known he would be involved in the Armistice Day celebrations. An article from January: https://www.itsnicethat.com/news/14-18-now-first-world-war-centenary-art-220118
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 1,644
    bondjames wrote: »
    If Boyle s big idea was to kill Bond, why would he walk out in protest of his own idea?
    The latest twist in the mill is that this was EON's idea in order to walk away cleanly, leaving the door open for a (hard?) reboot under new leadership (Universal?) in the future.

    The more you think about it... the more it makes sense. Eon kill off their Bond, they sell up. The new owners reboot the franchise, cast whoever they like, heck, even cast an American in the role (hope not).

    This explains why Eon would want to keep Craig even though he was kinda 70:30 against returning. Bring Craig back so they can kill off his Bond - similar to Ford's desire to kill off Han Solo in The Force Awakens. Craig's Bond dies, it's the end of the Eon era.

    If there's no natural heir to the Eon kingdom, I guess it makes sense for the Broccolis to sell up. Perhaps Bab's closest relatives don't want the pressure of making future Bond films.

    If all these rumours are true - we have very interesting times ahead!



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    As I've mentioned before; why all this Nolan talk? He may have met with the producers, but so have many others. What is it that makes it so "written in stone" that EON will hand over everything to him for Bond 26?

    I just can't understand the certainty many on this forum have in this. It might happen, but it's just as likely it won't.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe "I need a year off" Craig
    edited August 2018 Posts: 7,316
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    If Boyle s big idea was to kill Bond, why would he walk out in protest of his own idea?
    The latest twist in the mill is that this was EON's idea in order to walk away cleanly, leaving the door open for a (hard?) reboot under new leadership (Universal?) in the future.

    The more you think about it... the more it makes sense. Eon kill off their Bond, they sell up. The new owners reboot the franchise, cast whoever they like, heck, even cast an American in the role (hope not).

    This explains why Eon would want to keep Craig even though he was kinda 70:30 against returning. Bring Craig back so they can kill off his Bond - similar to Ford's desire to kill off Han Solo in The Force Awakens. Craig's Bond dies, it's the end of the Eon era.

    If there's no natural heir to the Eon kingdom, I guess it makes sense for the Broccolis to sell up. Perhaps Bab's closest relatives don't want the pressure of making future Bond films.

    If all these rumours are true - we have very interesting times ahead!



    Yes, that's why they got a one picture deal. It all fits
    As I've mentioned before; why all this Nolan talk? He may have met with the producers, but so have many others. What is it that makes it so "written in stone" that EON will hand over everything to him for Bond 26?

    I just can't understand the certainty many on this forum have in this. It might happen, but it's just as likely it won't.

    Nolan directing a Bond film is money in the bank, in fact probably one of the safest bets in Hollywood. If Bond ever goes out into the wilderness, you can bet Warner Bros will snap it up, because they are so tight Nolan. He could direct a trilogy, or direct one film to kick off the new series and get people hyped, and then produce the ones after. It would be a true mega franchise like The DARK KNIGHT films were. Nolan and Bond just seems destined at some point, and if EON are selling, I'm guessing sooner rather than later.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Costa Mucho
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    Don t forget, they originally wanted to end QOS with Bond seemingly killed by Mr White.
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    Don t forget, they originally wanted to end QOS with Bond seemingly killed by Mr White.

    First I heard of this. Where did you hear that?
  • BennyBenny Classified Administrator, Moderator
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    If the big idea for Bond 25 was/is to kill off James Bond then I don't see it being a big problem. So long as the film ends with James Bond will return. ;)
    It would be a way to end the Craig era with a surprise twist for the general audience. And for Craig to be given an ground breaking (for Bond) exit.
    Then for Bond 26, a new actor assumes the role, with no baggage from the Craig films and starts afresh. I cant see EON wanting to let go of the series. Its a monumental money maker for them. Unless they've truly grown so tired of the circus, they feel it's time to say goodbye.
    My word, imagine the pandemonium and crisis that would lead fans into? Bears not thinking about. Especially if Disney or one of the other big studios got their hands on Bond.
    Lets just focus on Bond 25, one step at a time before we all panic.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Costa Mucho
    edited August 2018 Posts: 41,978
    TR007 wrote: »
    Don t forget, they originally wanted to end QOS with Bond seemingly killed by Mr White.

    First I heard of this. Where did you hear that?

    An alternative ending was shot. It is about a minute long and takes place after the ending we got. Bond meets Mr White who shoots him. Kind of like the end of FRWL, the novel. It was cut because the film makers where unsure if they wanted to go on with their plans for the third Craig film to be the end of a trilogy.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 19,339
    I’m thought if I posted that article things would kick off,and there are some seriously interesting and sensible theories on here now ... worryingly.

    For me : Bond dies ? I won’t be watching it x I will stay at home and watch REAL Bond films by Connery /Lazenby/Moore/Dalton & Brosnan.

    I don’t think I would be able to watch any CraigBond films ever again as I know he dies at the end of it all so what’s the point ?
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 8,796
    Regarding this "Craig hate", I think we can be a little careful throwing that term around. I'd hate for this forum to brand everyone that feels a recasting could be an opportunity at this point, as "Craig haters".

    For me, I thought Craig ending his era with SP felt natural; both going in to the theatre, and definitely leaving the theatre. This is not because of my opinion of SP – a film I'm unlikely to ever fully enjoy, but because the film made an effort (as half-arsed at it was), to tie things from Craig's previous films together. That felt like a natural ending of an era to me, with Bond driving his DB5 off "into the unknown", with his girl by his side.

    That's not to say I can't enjoy a final film with Craig in 2019 (hopefully!).

    What I find interesting is that a small minority think Aidan Turner needs to be the next bond soooooooooooooooo bad that first they hated and made fun of all competitors then made fun of Daniel Craig and now it’s the producers fault so they need to be replaced.

    I read the Spectre leaks and nothing shocked or surprised me nor do I feel the producers are incompetent or stupid. Again let’s look at Cubby and Harry everyone claims they are so brilliant but I still say luck had a lot to do with it that being said look at how the lost money because of Harry’s original idea to involve elephants in the climax of the man with the golden gun (something Cubby only found out about after Harry sunk money into it) of how the original script of Dr. No had he villain being a monkey... again the two of them had as much production woes as the “kids” do possibly more so because at least Eon doesn’t have to worry about Mclory showing up and sueing everyone (I’m sorry but the way the Spy who loves me plays out blofield being the villain makes ten times more sense when looking at the brutal nature of his death) again we had not one not two not three but four Americans nearly cast (Clint Eastwood Adam West John Gavin and James Brolin) again if the internet existed during those decades the field day people would have...

    As for me I will remain hopeful Eon thinks they can get a director and release the film on time great.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Costa Mucho
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    I’m thought if I posted that article things would kick off,and there are some seriously interesting and sensible theories on here now ... worryingly.

    For me : Bond dies ? I won’t be watching it x I will stay at home and watch REAL Bond films by Connery /Lazenby/Moore/Dalton & Brosnan.

    I don’t think I would be able to watch any CraigBond films ever again as I know he dies at the end of it all so what’s the point ?

    Death is not the end. Bond 26 can take place on the astral plane.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    TR007 wrote: »
    Don t forget, they originally wanted to end QOS with Bond seemingly killed by Mr White.

    First I heard of this. Where did you hear that?

    An alternative ending was shot. It is about a minute long and takes place after the ending we got. Bond meets Mr White who shoots him. Kind of like the end of FRWL, the novel. It was cut because the film makers where unsure if they wanted to go on with their plans for the third Craig film to be the end of a trilogy.
    I don't think that was the plan. It was to end with Bond kidnapping Haines and shooting Mr. White in a gunbarrel sequence.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Costa Mucho
    Posts: 41,978
    TR007 wrote: »
    Don t forget, they originally wanted to end QOS with Bond seemingly killed by Mr White.

    First I heard of this. Where did you hear that?

    An alternative ending was shot. It is about a minute long and takes place after the ending we got. Bond meets Mr White who shoots him. Kind of like the end of FRWL, the novel. It was cut because the film makers where unsure if they wanted to go on with their plans for the third Craig film to be the end of a trilogy.
    I don't think that was the plan. It was to end with Bond kidnapping Haines and shooting Mr. White in a gunbarrel sequence.

    I have read that as well. Who knows what really transpired in that scene? Shame it hasn t been released.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe "I need a year off" Craig
    edited August 2018 Posts: 7,316
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I’m thought if I posted that article things would kick off,and there are some seriously interesting and sensible theories on here now ... worryingly.

    For me : Bond dies ? I won’t be watching it x I will stay at home and watch REAL Bond films by Connery /Lazenby/Moore/Dalton & Brosnan.

    I don’t think I would be able to watch any CraigBond films ever again as I know he dies at the end of it all so what’s the point ?

    Don't worry Bazza, the movie might never get made at this rate. EON might have to accept SP as their SWANSONG.
    RC7 wrote: »
    Then with B26 they’ll return with a new Bond and a new emphasis.

    Who's "they"? In another few years MGW will be eighty and he hasn't been well for some time. I doubt he'll have much impact on Bond 26. Gregg does not seem remotely ready to come on as an apprentice producer, and Barbara does not seem that interested with the idea of Bond films without Craig. You could tell by how the Brosnan era was such a greatest hits package, that she doesn't really have a passion for the movies outside of what she has been able to do with Craig in the role. Even then, the repeated 4 year gaps seem to suggest that her passion is waning. That's not a hidden agenda, or "wishful thinking". She just doesn't seem as determined as Cubby was.
  • RC7RC7
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    I’m thought if I posted that article things would kick off,and there are some seriously interesting and sensible theories on here now ... worryingly.

    For me : Bond dies ? I won’t be watching it x I will stay at home and watch REAL Bond films by Connery /Lazenby/Moore/Dalton & Brosnan.

    I don’t think I would be able to watch any CraigBond films ever again as I know he dies at the end of it all so what’s the point ?

    Don't worry Bazza, the movie might never get made at this rate. EON might have to accept SP as their SWANSONG.
    RC7 wrote: »
    Then with B26 they’ll return with a new Bond and a new emphasis.

    Who's "they"? In another few years MGW will be eighty and he hasn't been well for some time. I doubt he'll have much impact on Bond 26. Gregg does not seem remotely ready to come on as an apprentice producer, and Barbara does not seem that interested with the idea of Bond films without Craig. You could tell by how the Brosnan era was such a greatest hits package, that she doesn't really have a passion for the movies outside of what she has been able to do with Craig in the role. Even then, the repeated 4 year gaps seem to suggest that her passion is waning. That's not a hidden agenda, or "wishful thinking". She just doesn't seem as determined as Cubby was.

    Cool.
  • Posts: 15,599
    RC7 wrote: »
    Then with B26 they’ll return with a new Bond and a new emphasis.

    Who's "they"? In another few years MGW will be eighty and he hasn't been well for some time. I doubt he'll have much impact on Bond 26. Gregg does not seem remotely ready to come on as an apprentice producer, and Barbara does not seem that interested with the idea of Bond films without Craig. You could tell by how the Brosnan era was such a greatest hits package, that she doesn't really have a passion for the movies outside of what she has been able to do with Craig in the role. Even then, the repeated 4 year gaps seem to suggest that her passion is waning. That's not a hidden agenda, or "wishful thinking". She just doesn't seem as determined as Cubby was.

    Although it might/might not be true, how do you actually know this? Have you met them, or worked with them?
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    RC7 wrote: »
    Then with B26 they’ll return with a new Bond and a new emphasis.

    Who's "they"? In another few years MGW will be eighty and he hasn't been well for some time. I doubt he'll have much impact on Bond 26. Gregg does not seem remotely ready to come on as an apprentice producer, and Barbara does not seem that interested with the idea of Bond films without Craig. You could tell by how the Brosnan era was such a greatest hits package, that she doesn't really have a passion for the movies outside of what she has been able to do with Craig in the role. Even then, the repeated 4 year gaps seem to suggest that her passion is waning. That's not a hidden agenda, or "wishful thinking". She just doesn't seem as determined as Cubby was.

    Although it might/might not be true, how do you actually know this? Have you met them, or worked with them?

    The internet told him.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 6,586
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Then with B26 they’ll return with a new Bond and a new emphasis.

    Who's "they"? In another few years MGW will be eighty and he hasn't been well for some time. I doubt he'll have much impact on Bond 26. Gregg does not seem remotely ready to come on as an apprentice producer, and Barbara does not seem that interested with the idea of Bond films without Craig. You could tell by how the Brosnan era was such a greatest hits package, that she doesn't really have a passion for the movies outside of what she has been able to do with Craig in the role. Even then, the repeated 4 year gaps seem to suggest that her passion is waning. That's not a hidden agenda, or "wishful thinking". She just doesn't seem as determined as Cubby was.

    Although it might/might not be true, how do you actually know this? Have you met them, or worked with them?

    The internet told him.

    He and Panchito share that crystal ball, it seems.
  • Posts: 4,619
    @Mendes4Lyfe Well said. The more I think about it, the less I can imagine her producing Bond 26 without Craig and her brother.
  • I'd certainly go with Gareth Owen's idea that now is he the time for a female director. I'd go for Kathryn Bigelow.........great track record. I'm also hearing good things about Coralie Fargeat, though I haven't seen any of her work, I've got 'Revenge' on pre-order on dvd, out on 1/10 in UK
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 4,619
    I'd certainly go with Gareth Owen's idea that now is he the time for a female director. I'd go for Kathryn Bigelow.........great track record. I'm also hearing good things about Coralie Fargeat, though I haven't seen any of her work, I've got 'Revenge' on pre-order on dvd, out on 1/10 in UK
    Exactly. Without delaying the movie the best thing they can possibly do is hire a female director without a big ego. Instant positive press + she would execute EON's and Craig's vision without major arguments.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited August 2018 Posts: 6,586
    I'd certainly go with Gareth Owen's idea that now is he the time for a female director. I'd go for Kathryn Bigelow.........great track record. I'm also hearing good things about Coralie Fargeat, though I haven't seen any of her work, I've got 'Revenge' on pre-order on dvd, out on 1/10 in UK

    Bigelow would be great. Fargeat made a great flick with REVENGE, but I'm not so sure she's right for Bond. I'd have to see what themes her follow-up flick would have, but the aforementioned film wasn't exactly subtle with its feminist themes and obviously that doesn't work for Bond.

    I would love if Mimi Leder were to take on a Bond film. THE PEACEMAKER proves she can pull-off some large-scale action as well as make politics slick and interesting.
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