No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe "I need a year off" Craig
    edited August 2018 Posts: 7,305
    RC7 wrote: »
    Then with B26 they’ll return with a new Bond and a new emphasis.

    Who's "they"? In another few years MGW will be eighty and he hasn't been well for some time. I doubt he'll have much impact on Bond 26. Gregg does not seem remotely ready to come on as an apprentice producer, and Barbara does not seem that interested with the idea of Bond films without Craig. You could tell by how the Brosnan era was such a greatest hits package, that she doesn't really have a passion for the movies outside of what she has been able to do with Craig in the role. Even then, the repeated 4 year gaps seem to suggest that her passion is waning. That's not a hidden agenda, or "wishful thinking". She just doesn't seem as determined as Cubby was.

    Although it might/might not be true, how do you actually know this? Have you met them, or worked with them?

    Well, what do you think? Does Gregg Wilson strike you as someone ready to take on a franchise like Bond in a main producer role? Maybe he is, but it would surprise me if he was, that's all I'm saying. I can't see Babs carrying on without Craig or MGW there, and with only Gregg for support. I wasn't thinking about it until Bazza shared that article about EON WANTING to kill of Bond, but Bond 25 could be their SWANSONG too, hence the one picture deal. And if this current development hell continues, which it could, the project could fall apart and EON might end up selling up anyway.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    There is also the MGM issue. Those fools will either be sold or IPO'd down the road, even if they didn't want to do it this year, which is reportedly why they sacked Barber. Remember that they don't even have a CEO at this point. Presumably they want to fill their coffers with the proceeds from B25 before hawking themselves. That at least suggests that we should get this film next year.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 15,567
    @Mendes4Lyfe What I think isn't important really; what I can't help but noticing, is the certainty you put in your comments. Gregg Wilson might be more than ready to come on as a apprentice producer for all you know, and Barbara might be more than ready for a post-Craig era. We simply don't know.
  • Posts: 4,350
    How about Reed Morano?

    She's just finishing up The Rhythm Section for Eon (which is due for release in February). She had a huge degree of buzz for the Handmaiden's Tale. I'm pretty certain she can deliver a good script and has years of experience as a cinematographer.

    reed-morano-variety-facetime.jpg?w=1000

    She's directed one feature film and has another in post (she's as experienced a director as Demange)

  • Posts: 8,704
    I would be fine with that I just want a director announced so we can go back to business lol
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 4,477
    If it's true they were already building sets...

    Do you think that they'd scrap the sets or try to figure out how to put them in the story a la SP?
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    edited August 2018 Posts: 943
    IF true: I applaud Boyle for sticking to his PPK and for ignoring Babs her idiotic reasoning. Sorry, but killing off Bond serves no purpose other than being egotistical. In my opinion she's been way over her head for years now and this to me is the final nail in the coffin. Babs and Craig both have been banging on about and wishing for a gay/female/black Bond and this way it could happen, by killing off the 'OG' Bond. Am I the only one to see this? Someone else needs to take over, a visionary, an easy example would be Nolan who could revamp the spirit of Bond, of Fleming. Whether it would take place in the 60s or present, but with a new actor as well. Bond needs change, not death.
  • Posts: 5,813
    echo wrote: »
    If it's true they were already building sets...

    Do you think that they'd scrap the sets or try to figure out how to put them in the story a la SP?

    I would assume at this point, since the producers are going out to directors, that they're going out to them with the script they want to use. Namely the Hodge script-- which they own.

    Writers will be brought on to polish this script, with the guidance of the new director (with usual input from producers/partners (EoN and Universal)).

    The sets being built will not be forced into a "new" story/script. They will be from the existing script that they're going out to producers with.

    And thus completes the circle...
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 6,476
    I applaud Boyle for sticking to his PPK and for ignoring Babs her idiotic reasoning. Sorry, but killing off Bond serves no purpose other than being egotistical. In my opinion she's been way over her head for years now and this to me is the final nail in the coffin. Someone else needs to take over, a visionary, an easy example would be Nolan who could revamp the spirit of Bond, of Fleming. Whether it would take place in the 60s or present, but with a new actor as well. Bond needs change, not death.

    Please keep in mind that this notion of Eon wanting to kill Bond came from THE SUN NEWSPAPER.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 4,477
    Fleming already gave us the perfect ending for Craig's Bond...the end of YOLT.

    When in doubt, go back to Fleming. I'm pretty sure Babs is on the record as saying that, as is Cubby.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 19,780
    I applaud Boyle for sticking to his PPK and for ignoring Babs her idiotic reasoning. Sorry, but killing off Bond serves no purpose other than being egotistical. In my opinion she's been way over her head for years now and this to me is the final nail in the coffin. Babs and Craig both have been banging on about and wishing for a gay/female/black Bond and this way it could happen, by killing off the 'OG' Bond. Am I the only one to see this? Someone else needs to take over, a visionary, an easy example would be Nolan who could revamp the spirit of Bond, of Fleming. Whether it would take place in the 60s or present, but with a new actor as well. Bond needs change, not death.

    You are aware that Fleming himself had considered killing Bond, aren't you?

    You are aware that all those accusations towards Barbara Broccoli are lifted from tabloid journalism at best, aren't you?
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    Posts: 943
    I applaud Boyle for sticking to his PPK and for ignoring Babs her idiotic reasoning. Sorry, but killing off Bond serves no purpose other than being egotistical. In my opinion she's been way over her head for years now and this to me is the final nail in the coffin. Someone else needs to take over, a visionary, an easy example would be Nolan who could revamp the spirit of Bond, of Fleming. Whether it would take place in the 60s or present, but with a new actor as well. Bond needs change, not death.

    Please keep in mind that this notion of Eon wanting to kill Bond came from THE SUN NEWSPAPER.

    I am aware of that. It makes sense though and the Sun isn't always wrong...
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    edited August 2018 Posts: 943
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I applaud Boyle for sticking to his PPK and for ignoring Babs her idiotic reasoning. Sorry, but killing off Bond serves no purpose other than being egotistical. In my opinion she's been way over her head for years now and this to me is the final nail in the coffin. Babs and Craig both have been banging on about and wishing for a gay/female/black Bond and this way it could happen, by killing off the 'OG' Bond. Am I the only one to see this? Someone else needs to take over, a visionary, an easy example would be Nolan who could revamp the spirit of Bond, of Fleming. Whether it would take place in the 60s or present, but with a new actor as well. Bond needs change, not death.

    You are aware that Fleming himself had considered killing Bond, aren't you?

    You are aware that all those accusations towards Barbara Broccoli are lifted from tabloid journalism at best, aren't you?

    Don't write off 'tabloid' journalism too fast, as it makes sense in the scheme of things and the 'revelation' is quite detailed. Some points I made about them wanting to change into a gay/female/black Bond are facts, mind you. I edited my post to 'IF true'.
  • Posts: 15,567
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I applaud Boyle for sticking to his PPK and for ignoring Babs her idiotic reasoning. Sorry, but killing off Bond serves no purpose other than being egotistical. In my opinion she's been way over her head for years now and this to me is the final nail in the coffin. Babs and Craig both have been banging on about and wishing for a gay/female/black Bond and this way it could happen, by killing off the 'OG' Bond. Am I the only one to see this? Someone else needs to take over, a visionary, an easy example would be Nolan who could revamp the spirit of Bond, of Fleming. Whether it would take place in the 60s or present, but with a new actor as well. Bond needs change, not death.

    You are aware that Fleming himself had considered killing Bond, aren't you?

    You are aware that all those accusations towards Barbara Broccoli are lifted from tabloid journalism at best, aren't you?

    Don't write off 'tabloid' journalism too fast, as it makes sense in the scheme of things and the 'revelation' is quite detailed. Some points I made about them wanting to change into a gay/female/black Bond are facts, mind you. I edited my post to 'IF true'.

    News to me! Care to share links?
  • Posts: 5,813
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I applaud Boyle for sticking to his PPK and for ignoring Babs her idiotic reasoning. Sorry, but killing off Bond serves no purpose other than being egotistical. In my opinion she's been way over her head for years now and this to me is the final nail in the coffin. Babs and Craig both have been banging on about and wishing for a gay/female/black Bond and this way it could happen, by killing off the 'OG' Bond. Am I the only one to see this? Someone else needs to take over, a visionary, an easy example would be Nolan who could revamp the spirit of Bond, of Fleming. Whether it would take place in the 60s or present, but with a new actor as well. Bond needs change, not death.

    You are aware that Fleming himself had considered killing Bond, aren't you?

    You are aware that all those accusations towards Barbara Broccoli are lifted from tabloid journalism at best, aren't you?

    Don't write off 'tabloid' journalism too fast, as it makes sense in the scheme of things and the 'revelation' is quite detailed. Some points I made about them wanting to change into a gay/female/black Bond are facts, mind you. I edited my post to 'IF true'.

    Pardon?...
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 6,476
    The definition of the word "facts" seems to become looser by the day.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    I believe @gideoneldude is stating that there have been times in the past when Babs has countenanced these media desires for a black Bond or a female Bond, even if in jest or to get the hounds off her trail.

    I don't think she's ever said anything about a gay Bond though.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 6,070
    bondjames wrote: »
    I believe @gideoneldude is stating that there have been times in the past when Babs has countenanced these media desires for a black Bond or a female Bond, even if in jest or to get the hounds off her trail.

    I don't think she's ever said anything about a gay Bond though.

    As it applies to changing Bond to anything but a straight, white male, her comments are diplomatic politeness.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    Posts: 943
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I applaud Boyle for sticking to his PPK and for ignoring Babs her idiotic reasoning. Sorry, but killing off Bond serves no purpose other than being egotistical. In my opinion she's been way over her head for years now and this to me is the final nail in the coffin. Babs and Craig both have been banging on about and wishing for a gay/female/black Bond and this way it could happen, by killing off the 'OG' Bond. Am I the only one to see this? Someone else needs to take over, a visionary, an easy example would be Nolan who could revamp the spirit of Bond, of Fleming. Whether it would take place in the 60s or present, but with a new actor as well. Bond needs change, not death.

    You are aware that Fleming himself had considered killing Bond, aren't you?

    You are aware that all those accusations towards Barbara Broccoli are lifted from tabloid journalism at best, aren't you?

    Don't write off 'tabloid' journalism too fast, as it makes sense in the scheme of things and the 'revelation' is quite detailed. Some points I made about them wanting to change into a gay/female/black Bond are facts, mind you. I edited my post to 'IF true'.

    News to me! Care to share links?

    "I think the role could easily be played by a black actor, because the character created by Ian Fleming in the Fifties has undergone a great deal of evolution and continues to be updated," Craig told the Agi news agency.

    "She (Broccoli) didn't go as far as to say that the next 007 will definitively be non-white and/or a woman, but she is very much open to it, saying "anything is possible."

    "These films tend to reflect the times so we always try to push the envelope a little bit. Anything is possible. Right now it's Daniel Craig, and I'm very happy with Daniel Craig, but who knows what the future will bring?"

    "Craig himself weighed in on the idea of a gay Bond three years ago after a torture scene in 2012’s Skyfall sparked speculation that his take on 007 might be bisexual. "
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    RC7 wrote: »
    I don’t put much stock in EON walking away (although perhaps that’s wishful thinking), this feels to me like a bid to round out Craig’s tenure with a true sense of finality. Then with B26 theyll return with a new Bond and a new emphasis.

    Although some in the know including this very site have said the idea of EON selling can't be dismissed as heresay I'm inclinded to think that BB & MGW are not selling.

    I feel that like @RC7 says this more likely a chance to bring the Craig era to the end and EON to pick up with a new Bond and timeline.

    I kind of hope they aren't quitting because as much as some of you are getting excited about the idea and the opportunities, this series without the guardianship of the original family who bought it to the world they won't see it in the same way.

    What I'm saying be it WB with Nolan etc or whoever would win the bidding, the idea that Bond is unique and just standalone I'm afraid would likely be a thing of the past.

    Anyone that pays for what is likely a pretty penny is going to want to stretch the brand and do others things outside of Bond films.

    Look as much as I like Craig I would like to take SPECTRE down a back alley and give it a jolly good kicking and despair at how that last film went where it did, saying that I think our Mr Bond is in the safest possible hands it can be.

    This series is unique in the fact it's run mostly by one particular family with assistance from a film studio, although they get far more say than anyone else would at a studio like say Nolan if he was handed the guardianship of it.

    Fair enough if you are happy with this happening and see a brave new world for Fleming's new creation because even if Nolan is bought into shepherd this, maybe directing then producing and providing storylines with his brother or whoever. It's not Nolan who will be paying for it, he might be guiding it but the real decisons will be made whoever the studio is that acquires it, they'll be taking it and doing more than just main event and Nolan will have no power to stop even if he wants to.

    It comes down to whether you want Bond to stay pure to itself or you don't because it slips out of the control of it's current guardians it will then be in the hands of those that won't be so precious with your beloved James Bond.

    Just look at what happened with Star Wars and Disney, it won't be a small independent that will pony up the cash for 007 it will be one of the big boys and they won't be purchasing it just to make a film every 2 - 3 years, guaranteed they'll stretch the brand as far as they can irregardless of whether Bond actually lends itself to this or not.

    So lets stop acting like spoilt children because we aren't getting our own as the situation under the control of others could drift so much far away what you perceive is Bond that the recent decision made by EON will be put in the shade.
  • Posts: 15,567
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I applaud Boyle for sticking to his PPK and for ignoring Babs her idiotic reasoning. Sorry, but killing off Bond serves no purpose other than being egotistical. In my opinion she's been way over her head for years now and this to me is the final nail in the coffin. Babs and Craig both have been banging on about and wishing for a gay/female/black Bond and this way it could happen, by killing off the 'OG' Bond. Am I the only one to see this? Someone else needs to take over, a visionary, an easy example would be Nolan who could revamp the spirit of Bond, of Fleming. Whether it would take place in the 60s or present, but with a new actor as well. Bond needs change, not death.

    You are aware that Fleming himself had considered killing Bond, aren't you?

    You are aware that all those accusations towards Barbara Broccoli are lifted from tabloid journalism at best, aren't you?

    Don't write off 'tabloid' journalism too fast, as it makes sense in the scheme of things and the 'revelation' is quite detailed. Some points I made about them wanting to change into a gay/female/black Bond are facts, mind you. I edited my post to 'IF true'.

    News to me! Care to share links?

    "I think the role could easily be played by a black actor, because the character created by Ian Fleming in the Fifties has undergone a great deal of evolution and continues to be updated," Craig told the Agi news agency.

    "She (Broccoli) didn't go as far as to say that the next 007 will definitively be non-white and/or a woman, but she is very much open to it, saying "anything is possible."

    "These films tend to reflect the times so we always try to push the envelope a little bit. Anything is possible. Right now it's Daniel Craig, and I'm very happy with Daniel Craig, but who knows what the future will bring?"

    "Craig himself weighed in on the idea of a gay Bond three years ago after a torture scene in 2012’s Skyfall sparked speculation that his take on 007 might be bisexual. "

    Jesus Christ. Reading anything at all from these comments is beyond me. Also, Babs saying "Anything is possible" can't be counted as facts as far as them wanting to make Bond gay/female/black.
  • Posts: 5,767
    I applaud Boyle for sticking to his PPK and for ignoring Babs her idiotic reasoning. Sorry, but killing off Bond serves no purpose other than being egotistical. In my opinion she's been way over her head for years now and this to me is the final nail in the coffin. Someone else needs to take over, a visionary, an easy example would be Nolan who could revamp the spirit of Bond, of Fleming. Whether it would take place in the 60s or present, but with a new actor as well. Bond needs change, not death.

    Please keep in mind that this notion of Eon wanting to kill Bond came from THE SUN NEWSPAPER.

    I am aware of that. It makes sense though and the Sun isn't always wrong...
    It makes sense that Boyle only agreed to do a Bond film if he could apply his own "great idea", and then quits because Eon tell him something new???

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    If I'm being frank, reality as it has unfolded over the past few years appears to be as crazy as made up rumours. Heck, even Cashley couldn't have made this $#!* up, as he himself states in one of his recent posts.

    So let's wait and see what else is in store for us. Based on the evidence to date, the only thing we can reasonably expect is the unexpected.

  • Posts: 1,906
    LOL EON killing off Bond (if true) confirms to me they want to sell the franchise
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 6,476
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I applaud Boyle for sticking to his PPK and for ignoring Babs her idiotic reasoning. Sorry, but killing off Bond serves no purpose other than being egotistical. In my opinion she's been way over her head for years now and this to me is the final nail in the coffin. Babs and Craig both have been banging on about and wishing for a gay/female/black Bond and this way it could happen, by killing off the 'OG' Bond. Am I the only one to see this? Someone else needs to take over, a visionary, an easy example would be Nolan who could revamp the spirit of Bond, of Fleming. Whether it would take place in the 60s or present, but with a new actor as well. Bond needs change, not death.

    You are aware that Fleming himself had considered killing Bond, aren't you?

    You are aware that all those accusations towards Barbara Broccoli are lifted from tabloid journalism at best, aren't you?

    Don't write off 'tabloid' journalism too fast, as it makes sense in the scheme of things and the 'revelation' is quite detailed. Some points I made about them wanting to change into a gay/female/black Bond are facts, mind you. I edited my post to 'IF true'.

    News to me! Care to share links?

    "I think the role could easily be played by a black actor, because the character created by Ian Fleming in the Fifties has undergone a great deal of evolution and continues to be updated," Craig told the Agi news agency.

    "She (Broccoli) didn't go as far as to say that the next 007 will definitively be non-white and/or a woman, but she is very much open to it, saying "anything is possible."

    "These films tend to reflect the times so we always try to push the envelope a little bit. Anything is possible. Right now it's Daniel Craig, and I'm very happy with Daniel Craig, but who knows what the future will bring?"

    "Craig himself weighed in on the idea of a gay Bond three years ago after a torture scene in 2012’s Skyfall sparked speculation that his take on 007 might be bisexual. "

    It's no coincidence that Craig's top comments came in an interview which talked about Obama winning the presidency. Pure politics, just like his answer to the Bond question.

    That means, of course, that people would have to not take his comments at face value. Which people continuously prove to be incapable of.

    The same goes for the Bond being bi-sexual. He's not. That scene was just pure mind-games. Again, unless you just take it at face value.

    There's no facts there, just interpretation of politically correct answers. Even if Daniel Craig wasn't Bond - if it were some other white man - the answers would still be the same. Because it'd be rude to say otherwise.
  • Posts: 1,906
    echo wrote: »
    Fleming already gave us the perfect ending for Craig's Bond...the end of YOLT.

    When in doubt, go back to Fleming. I'm pretty sure Babs is on the record as saying that, as is Cubby.

    Lets hope this is true!!
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited August 2018 Posts: 4,043
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I applaud Boyle for sticking to his PPK and for ignoring Babs her idiotic reasoning. Sorry, but killing off Bond serves no purpose other than being egotistical. In my opinion she's been way over her head for years now and this to me is the final nail in the coffin. Babs and Craig both have been banging on about and wishing for a gay/female/black Bond and this way it could happen, by killing off the 'OG' Bond. Am I the only one to see this? Someone else needs to take over, a visionary, an easy example would be Nolan who could revamp the spirit of Bond, of Fleming. Whether it would take place in the 60s or present, but with a new actor as well. Bond needs change, not death.

    You are aware that Fleming himself had considered killing Bond, aren't you?

    You are aware that all those accusations towards Barbara Broccoli are lifted from tabloid journalism at best, aren't you?

    Don't write off 'tabloid' journalism too fast, as it makes sense in the scheme of things and the 'revelation' is quite detailed. Some points I made about them wanting to change into a gay/female/black Bond are facts, mind you. I edited my post to 'IF true'.

    News to me! Care to share links?

    "I think the role could easily be played by a black actor, because the character created by Ian Fleming in the Fifties has undergone a great deal of evolution and continues to be updated," Craig told the Agi news agency.

    "She (Broccoli) didn't go as far as to say that the next 007 will definitively be non-white and/or a woman, but she is very much open to it, saying "anything is possible."

    "These films tend to reflect the times so we always try to push the envelope a little bit. Anything is possible. Right now it's Daniel Craig, and I'm very happy with Daniel Craig, but who knows what the future will bring?"

    "Craig himself weighed in on the idea of a gay Bond three years ago after a torture scene in 2012’s Skyfall sparked speculation that his take on 007 might be bisexual. "

    Jesus Christ. Reading anything at all from these comments is beyond me. Also, Babs saying "Anything is possible" can't be counted as facts as far as them wanting to make Bond gay/female/black.

    Have you ever thought that part of this is just placating people, the amount of flak BB or DC would get for saying vehmently this would not be the case.

    The press seems obsessed with asking these questions all the time and you get yourself into dangerous territory when you suggest anything that challenges it.

    The truth is that no one really knows what she is thinking and I think she's far more protective of it and has boundaries of where she'll take it but has to give the impression that she's open to this latest fad of taking the character away from what it was established as the publicity it would gain from the wrong answer wouldn't be good for EON.


    Though fair enough if you want to use this as another reason to attack EON go ahead but the idea of doing something like this is far more likely to happen when another studio has the property than where it currently is now.

  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    edited August 2018 Posts: 943
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I applaud Boyle for sticking to his PPK and for ignoring Babs her idiotic reasoning. Sorry, but killing off Bond serves no purpose other than being egotistical. In my opinion she's been way over her head for years now and this to me is the final nail in the coffin. Babs and Craig both have been banging on about and wishing for a gay/female/black Bond and this way it could happen, by killing off the 'OG' Bond. Am I the only one to see this? Someone else needs to take over, a visionary, an easy example would be Nolan who could revamp the spirit of Bond, of Fleming. Whether it would take place in the 60s or present, but with a new actor as well. Bond needs change, not death.

    You are aware that Fleming himself had considered killing Bond, aren't you?

    You are aware that all those accusations towards Barbara Broccoli are lifted from tabloid journalism at best, aren't you?

    Don't write off 'tabloid' journalism too fast, as it makes sense in the scheme of things and the 'revelation' is quite detailed. Some points I made about them wanting to change into a gay/female/black Bond are facts, mind you. I edited my post to 'IF true'.

    News to me! Care to share links?

    "I think the role could easily be played by a black actor, because the character created by Ian Fleming in the Fifties has undergone a great deal of evolution and continues to be updated," Craig told the Agi news agency.

    "She (Broccoli) didn't go as far as to say that the next 007 will definitively be non-white and/or a woman, but she is very much open to it, saying "anything is possible."

    "These films tend to reflect the times so we always try to push the envelope a little bit. Anything is possible. Right now it's Daniel Craig, and I'm very happy with Daniel Craig, but who knows what the future will bring?"

    "Craig himself weighed in on the idea of a gay Bond three years ago after a torture scene in 2012’s Skyfall sparked speculation that his take on 007 might be bisexual. "

    It's no coincidence that Craig's top comments came in an interview which talked about Obama winning the presidency. Pure politics, just like his answer to the Bond question.

    That means, of course, that people would have to not take his comments at face value. Which people continuously prove to be incapable of.

    The same goes for the Bond being bi-sexual. He's not. That scene was just pure mind-games. Again, unless you just take it at face value.

    There's no facts there, just interpretation of politically correct answers. Even if Daniel Craig wasn't Bond - if it were some other white man - the answers would still be the same. Because it'd be rude to say otherwise.

    If that's true then it should stop, as it makes a mockery of Bond(!) and Fleming in the first place. Indeed the media have a big role in this as well. Fleming was the man who gave us Bond, if you extrapolate that he's God within that universe and his vision was clear and Bond his heritage (along with countless details) are clear as crystal, too. I detest political correctness and some things shouldn't be meddled with, like frontrunner Babs potentially is able to do. We as Bond fans/followers/adepts are the ones who keep things in check and that I will do until the day they carry me to the grave.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited August 2018 Posts: 6,476
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I applaud Boyle for sticking to his PPK and for ignoring Babs her idiotic reasoning. Sorry, but killing off Bond serves no purpose other than being egotistical. In my opinion she's been way over her head for years now and this to me is the final nail in the coffin. Babs and Craig both have been banging on about and wishing for a gay/female/black Bond and this way it could happen, by killing off the 'OG' Bond. Am I the only one to see this? Someone else needs to take over, a visionary, an easy example would be Nolan who could revamp the spirit of Bond, of Fleming. Whether it would take place in the 60s or present, but with a new actor as well. Bond needs change, not death.

    You are aware that Fleming himself had considered killing Bond, aren't you?

    You are aware that all those accusations towards Barbara Broccoli are lifted from tabloid journalism at best, aren't you?

    Don't write off 'tabloid' journalism too fast, as it makes sense in the scheme of things and the 'revelation' is quite detailed. Some points I made about them wanting to change into a gay/female/black Bond are facts, mind you. I edited my post to 'IF true'.

    News to me! Care to share links?

    "I think the role could easily be played by a black actor, because the character created by Ian Fleming in the Fifties has undergone a great deal of evolution and continues to be updated," Craig told the Agi news agency.

    "She (Broccoli) didn't go as far as to say that the next 007 will definitively be non-white and/or a woman, but she is very much open to it, saying "anything is possible."

    "These films tend to reflect the times so we always try to push the envelope a little bit. Anything is possible. Right now it's Daniel Craig, and I'm very happy with Daniel Craig, but who knows what the future will bring?"

    "Craig himself weighed in on the idea of a gay Bond three years ago after a torture scene in 2012’s Skyfall sparked speculation that his take on 007 might be bisexual. "

    It's no coincidence that Craig's top comments came in an interview which talked about Obama winning the presidency. Pure politics, just like his answer to the Bond question.

    That means, of course, that people would have to not take his comments at face value. Which people continuously prove to be incapable of.

    The same goes for the Bond being bi-sexual. He's not. That scene was just pure mind-games. Again, unless you just take it at face value.

    There's no facts there, just interpretation of politically correct answers. Even if Daniel Craig wasn't Bond - if it were some other white man - the answers would still be the same. Because it'd be rude to say otherwise.

    If that's true then it should stop, as it makes a mockery of Bond(!) and Fleming in the first place. Indeed the media have a big role in this as well. Fleming was the man who gave us Bond, if you extrapolate that he's God within that universe and his vision was clear and Bond his heritage (along with countless details) are clear as crystal, too. I detest political correctness and some things shouldn't be meddled with, like frontrunner Babs potentially is able to do. We as Bond fans/followers/adepts are the ones who keep things in check and that I will do until the day they carry me to the grave.

    That's all well and good but unfortunately not realistic in the world we live in right now. They have to play the game. The negative reprecussions that would come from saying "no" to these things would be far too great.

    Yes, Fleming would disapprove of the very notion of any of that. But Fleming isn't around anymore. That's not to say they should abandon him, au contraire. I don't want any of those things listed above for James Bond, ever.

    But if the price of continuing to make Bond films is to play political correctness media-print warfare games, then that's the price we pay. I have many issues with Eon, but that most certainly isn't one of them.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I applaud Boyle for sticking to his PPK and for ignoring Babs her idiotic reasoning. Sorry, but killing off Bond serves no purpose other than being egotistical. In my opinion she's been way over her head for years now and this to me is the final nail in the coffin. Babs and Craig both have been banging on about and wishing for a gay/female/black Bond and this way it could happen, by killing off the 'OG' Bond. Am I the only one to see this? Someone else needs to take over, a visionary, an easy example would be Nolan who could revamp the spirit of Bond, of Fleming. Whether it would take place in the 60s or present, but with a new actor as well. Bond needs change, not death.

    You are aware that Fleming himself had considered killing Bond, aren't you?

    You are aware that all those accusations towards Barbara Broccoli are lifted from tabloid journalism at best, aren't you?

    Don't write off 'tabloid' journalism too fast, as it makes sense in the scheme of things and the 'revelation' is quite detailed. Some points I made about them wanting to change into a gay/female/black Bond are facts, mind you. I edited my post to 'IF true'.

    News to me! Care to share links?

    "I think the role could easily be played by a black actor, because the character created by Ian Fleming in the Fifties has undergone a great deal of evolution and continues to be updated," Craig told the Agi news agency.

    "She (Broccoli) didn't go as far as to say that the next 007 will definitively be non-white and/or a woman, but she is very much open to it, saying "anything is possible."

    "These films tend to reflect the times so we always try to push the envelope a little bit. Anything is possible. Right now it's Daniel Craig, and I'm very happy with Daniel Craig, but who knows what the future will bring?"

    "Craig himself weighed in on the idea of a gay Bond three years ago after a torture scene in 2012’s Skyfall sparked speculation that his take on 007 might be bisexual. "

    It's no coincidence that Craig's top comments came in an interview which talked about Obama winning the presidency. Pure politics, just like his answer to the Bond question.

    That means, of course, that people would have to not take his comments at face value. Which people continuously prove to be incapable of.

    The same goes for the Bond being bi-sexual. He's not. That scene was just pure mind-games. Again, unless you just take it at face value.

    There's no facts there, just interpretation of politically correct answers. Even if Daniel Craig wasn't Bond - if it were some other white man - the answers would still be the same. Because it'd be rude to say otherwise.

    If that's true then it should stop, as it makes a mockery of Bond(!) and Fleming in the first place. Indeed the media have a big role in this as well. Fleming was the man who gave us Bond, if you extrapolate that he's God within that universe and his vision was clear and Bond his heritage (along with countless details) are clear as crystal, too. I detest political correctness and some things shouldn't be meddled with, like frontrunner Babs potentially is able to do. We as Bond fans/followers/adepts are the ones who keep things in check and that I will do until the day they carry me to the grave.

    That's all well and good but unfortunately not realistic in the world we live in right now. They have to play the game. The negative reprecussions that would come from saying "no" to these things would be far too great.

    Yes, Fleming would disapprove of the very notion of any of that. But Fleming isn't around anymore. That's not to say they should abandon him, au contraire. I don't want any of those things listed above for James Bond, ever.

    But if the price of continuing to make Bond films is to play political correctness media-print warfare, then that's the price we pay.

    A very valid point, hurts to say, but it is what it is at the end of the day.
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