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  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited January 2018 Posts: 17,294
    Just read that "offended millennials" article. You have to question people who don't understand that films from the 60's/70's are a product of its time – like any book, etc.

    Makes me think of the fuzz over that Tintin story some years ago. Should the old Bond films (or any of the novels for that matter) be banned or censored for not being politically correct? Just can't understand some people…
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    I never can understand why people get so offended by movies. They’re movies. It’s your problem if you watch them and let them get under your skin.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    They don't get offended because of the movies. They get offended because of the impact it'd leave on the cultural narrative that opposes their world of view, which is why they're "offended".
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    They don't get offended because of the movies. They get offended because of the impact it'd leave on the cultural narrative that opposes their world of view, which is why they're "offended".

    Not any less stupid. I’ve seen a thousand movies that feature different perspectives from my own, and I’ve enjoyed many of them. Just because you disagree with a character’s actions or the film’s culture doesn’t make it a “bad” or “offensive” thing.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited January 2018 Posts: 15,423
    FoxRox wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    They don't get offended because of the movies. They get offended because of the impact it'd leave on the cultural narrative that opposes their world of view, which is why they're "offended".

    Not any less stupid. I’ve seen a thousand movies that feature different perspectives from my own, and I’ve enjoyed many of them. Just because you disagree with a character’s actions or the film’s culture doesn’t make it a “bad” or “offensive” thing.
    I agree. My point was that... whenever they make absurd suggestions on the Bond franchise when they never were fans to begin with, is that they want a slice of that cultural cake. Otherwise, they don't give a rat's arse about the Bond franchise. They're worried the society won't bend to their demands, like feminists crying out loud how Bond is "sexist" and "misogynist" when Bond has never been misogynist. Chauvinist perhaps, but never a misogynist.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    I seriously worry PC culture will totally ruin films in the future. Their voice seems to be overwhelming and they often get their way, like spoiled children.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    I seriously worry PC culture will totally ruin films in the future. Their voice seems to be overwhelming and they often get their way, like spoiled children.
    They already ruined the genre of comedy in every format. It’s already happening.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    I never can understand why people get so offended by movies. They’re movies. It’s your problem if you watch them and let them get under your skin.

    true, whats mind boggling to me is when people bring sexism in movies up and think this is somehow an intelligent and needed contribution to the whole MeToo debate... which deals with real life problems. People should stop mixing movies and reality.
    Every action hero in every movie kills tons of bad guys, somehow that does not bother anybody... it's ridiculous to bringing movies up in such debates.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I seriously worry PC culture will totally ruin films in the future. Their voice seems to be overwhelming and they often get their way, like spoiled children.
    They already ruined the genre of comedy in every format. It’s already happening.

    Doomed. RIP one of my favorite pastimes (good thing I like to rewatch films).
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    When the book "To Kill a Mockingbird" is being banned the PC/ Social Justice movement has jumped the shark.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited January 2018 Posts: 15,423
    What do you expect from the SJW crowd when some dumb feminist claims the fairy tale Sleeping Beauty condones rape because the prince kisses the sleeping beauty "without her consent" and therefore the book has to be banned? ;)
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    SJWs and I do not get along. Luckily I don’t know many serious ones in my own life. Hopefully we at least get one more traditional Bond film until PC culture ruins it (hopefully it doesn’t ever, but I’m worried).
  • AlexanderWaverlyAlexanderWaverly
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    Before everyone gets too upset, you may want to check out this story about the methodology of the "Millennials vs. James Bond" stories, including how one of the tweets cited was by a 51-year-old actor.

    https://medium.com/@nickw84/weaponising-the-search-box-with-james-bond-and-friends-5257e3f1d93c
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    I can see it now. If they cast the next Bond as another straight, white male, you’ll see articles saying the series is stuck in the past, unwilling to change, and isn’t inclusive and all that other garbage.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I will set a good example. I will try to become black within short.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    I can see it now. If they cast the next Bond as another straight, white male, you’ll see articles saying the series is stuck in the past, unwilling to change, and isn’t inclusive and all that other garbage.

    If it isn't a black transgender woman with an eating disorder and in a wheelchair, people will riot.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    AlexanderWaverly wrote: »
    Before everyone gets too upset, you may want to check out this story about the methodology of the "Millennials vs. James Bond" stories, including how one of the tweets cited was by a 51-year-old actor.

    https://medium.com/@nickw84/weaponising-the-search-box-with-james-bond-and-friends-5257e3f1d93c

    I was going to post this and you beat me to it. "Anecdotal" evidence isn't evidence of a mass uprising against Bond.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited January 2018 Posts: 15,423
    While not related to Bond 25, if anyone remembers, there was a rumour once that Benedict Cumberbatch was going to portray Ian Fleming in a biopic based on Andrew Lycett's biography of the author. Are there news on that front?
  • AlexanderWaverlyAlexanderWaverly
    edited January 2018 Posts: 2,115
    TripAces wrote: »
    AlexanderWaverly wrote: »
    Before everyone gets too upset, you may want to check out this story about the methodology of the "Millennials vs. James Bond" stories, including how one of the tweets cited was by a 51-year-old actor.

    https://medium.com/@nickw84/weaponising-the-search-box-with-james-bond-and-friends-5257e3f1d93c

    I was going to post this and you beat me to it. "Anecdotal" evidence isn't evidence of a mass uprising against Bond.

    Also, Bond has been criticized for more than 60 years. Here's one example, from April 1958, a review in the New Statesman about the novel Dr. No. It's often cited (and briefly quoted) in books about Bond.

    https://www.newstatesman.com/society/2007/02/1958-bond-fleming-girl-sex

    And here's an October 2015 article by the same publication with many of the same themes as the recent "Millennials vs. James Bond" stories. As I type this, it's No. 1 Most Popular story on the New Statesman website. This recent surge of stories is nothing new and warms over themes of criticism going back years.

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2015/10/pantomime-james-bond-reveals-tragedy-modern-white-masculinity
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
    edited January 2018 Posts: 732
    When Fleming‘s original novels were re-translated to german (they were shortened and not available fully translated until a few years ago!) I was very happy the distributor who ordered the new translations refused to make the content more „politically correct“. It was refreshing to read those novels this way - a product of their time.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited January 2018 Posts: 17,294
    SeanCraig wrote: »
    When Fleming‘s original novels were re-translated to german (they were shortened and not available fully translated until a few years ago!) I was very happy the distributor who ordered the new translations refused to make the content more „politically correct“. It was refreshing to read those novels this way - a product of their time.

    This makes me wonder if anything similar has been done to Norwegian translations as well. Only have a movie tie-in edition of Casino Royale and an edition of Live and Let Die published around 1970, in Norwegian. Most likely the latter that would have been shortened.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    And while we're on the topic: when did 007 ever "rape" a woman? Part of his mystique is that he doesn't have to force himself on any female...they go to him willingly. That's part of the appeal.

    Off the top of my head, I can only think of two instances in which a woman threw herself at Bond, with no apparent agenda (Plenty and Bebe). He flat out rejected one of them, and almost did the other. Are there others?

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    TripAces wrote: »
    And while we're on the topic: when did 007 ever "rape" a woman?
    Allegedly he violated Pussy in GF.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    He sort of forced himself on Pussy in GF, but she seemed to go along with it eventually. It’s a tricky one. We all know Bond is an antihero though, so it’s to be expected for him to do questionable, not-so-pleasant things.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    He rapes Molly peters in thunderball
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    I disagree with Patricia Fearing as well. That wasn't presented in the film as rape.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    The very concept of seduction will soon be equated to violence. The irony is, I don’t know any man who has read the 50 Shades books.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited January 2018 Posts: 4,554
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    He rapes Molly peters in thunderball

    No. That was not rape. I'm no lawyer but...
    bondjames wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    And while we're on the topic: when did 007 ever "rape" a woman?
    Allegedly he violated Pussy in GF.

    That's a bit trickier. He forced himself on her, for sure, but after the kiss we have no way of knowing what happened next or what PG's response was.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    TripAces wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    And while we're on the topic: when did 007 ever "rape" a woman?
    Allegedly he violated Pussy in GF.

    That's a bit trickier. He forced himself on her, for sure, but after the kiss we have no way of knowing what happened next or what PG's response was.
    I quite agree. I just know that this is the scene which has caused a bit of controversy of late with the SJW crowd.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited January 2018 Posts: 7,981
    bondjames wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    And while we're on the topic: when did 007 ever "rape" a woman?
    Allegedly he violated Pussy in GF.

    That's a bit trickier. He forced himself on her, for sure, but after the kiss we have no way of knowing what happened next or what PG's response was.
    I quite agree. I just know that this is the scene which has caused a bit of controversy of late with the SJW crowd.

    This is a tricky one; today I have no doubt that it would be handled differently. At the time, and in the context of the film it boils down to two alphas trying to impose their dominance over the other. They are in a rough business; Pussy is not a naïve, weak woman. She and Bond are dancing a dance that isn't always tender.

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