No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • RC7RC7
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    bondsum wrote: »
    I think that's a entirely separate issue @TripAces. The article is referring to Star Wars fatigue with "four movies in two and a half years" and not one movie every two years. There's nothing wrong with releasing a Bond movie every 2 years. Notice the article isn't discussing Mission: Impossible fatigue.

    He makes a reasonable point, though. I’m not sure M:I is a great barometer - the gaps between those specific films are, 4 yrs, 6yrs, 5yrs, 4yrs, 3yrs. I don’t see them squeezing the schedules down to two years other than potentially capitalising on a debut. Three years seems like a solid and fair turnaround, but of course there are always mitigating factors.

    It’s my opinion that the model going forward should be hiring a distinctive director (such as Boyle) and it’s one and gone. The focus is on delivering a one-off. Repeat. That way you keep it fresh and interesting and can go where you like. Two years to turn that around doesn’t seem viable in this oversaturated market.

    Bond can act as an antidote to the proliferation of the vast interconnected narratives of Lucasfilm and Marvel.
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    Under the current situation @TripAces, I highly doubt there will ever come a time of Bond oversaturation, unless Disney totally buy it out and we have The Monneypenny Diaries, Felix Leiter's Lighting the Fuse, or Oddjob: The Early Years in rapid-fire succession. There was a time, and I remember it well, when a Bond movie came out every 2 years. It was bliss!!
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    I am so uninterested in Bond spinoffs. The only one I might like is Felix Leiter, but I watch Bond FOR Bond himself most of all.
  • RC7RC7
    edited May 2018 Posts: 9,892
    bondsum wrote: »
    Under the current situation @TripAces, I highly doubt there will ever come a time of Bond oversaturation, unless Disney totally buy it out and we have The Monneypenny Diaries, Felix Leiter's Lighting the Fuse, or Oddjob: The Early Years in rapid-fire succession. There was a time, and I remember it well, when a Bond movie came out every 2 years. It was bliss!!

    I don’t think the issue is ‘Bond over saturation’, the issue is, how and where Bond slots into an oversaturated market.

    Back in the day Bond was one of the few big brands, today that’s not the case. Finding an audience is much, much tougher.
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    Surprised mi6 hasn't posted yet the announcement
  • edited May 2018 Posts: 2,879
    I'm just going on the provided CNN article link @RC7 that talks about Star Wars fatigue and Disney's commitment to its expansive universes with Marvel. Bond will never be part of that, certainly currently. I think we're talking at cross purposes. You appear to be referring to the already overcrowded market and timing the release date of a future Bond movie to find its target audience, which I think is a separate issue to Bond oversaturation. I happen to agree with you on this matter as the release of LTK demonstrated this in the past.

    Of course, the counter argument is that by delaying your brand or product so that your product is the best it can possibly be doesn't necessarily work either. Ironically, both Hodge and Boyle have been given very little time to both write the story and get it into production, which kind of negates the whole extended gap exercise, especially if it's still going to be a bollock-ball-scramble scenario.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    This is the level I don't want Bond to reach:

    http://www.slashfilm.com/solo-prequel-comic-tobias-beckett/

    A comic book prequel to Solo, which is already a prequel to the original trilogy. Oof.
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    Don’t think we ever have to worry about Bond reaching that level.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld Minnesota USA
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    looks like bond 25 to be digital not film unlike spectre according to imdb and in 35mm
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld Minnesota USA
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    Surprised mi6 hasn't posted yet the announcement

    me too
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Its a transition film, and we really should have seen this coming. EON are so goddamned sneaky, they're at it again!

    DAF cranks up the camp factor, as preparation for a more comedic take after Connery.

    AVTAK notches up the violence and edge in advance of Timmy's gruesome twosome.

    DAD plants the seed of a broken Bond before Craig takes the idea and runs with it.

    As we know, the pendulum swings from one side to the other. So who does one inject the kinetic, snappy Bond whilst maintaining the "have something to say" ethos of the Craig era. Danny Boyle is the perfect man for the job, on paper at least.

    Such an obvious fit we really should have seen it coming.


    I'm really looking forward to what comes next after Craig, and the next dawn of Bond when things will be truly fresh, breaking the seal on a new era etc... But they are being very art about how they freshen things up here, to get the best out of what's left of Craig's time in the role.
    Good points and I agree. I think it will be a transition film as well. I too am looking forward to where that leads us. I'm sure there will be clues, but perhaps they will only be apparent with hindsight.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    At the rate these are churned out, there's no way he's sticking around to do a sixth. I doubt the difference between "fifth" and "last" in an article is a hint that he'll do a sixth installment.
    I hope he chooses to spend quality time with his child and leave Bond for someone new, even if Babs begs him to return one more time.
    bondsum wrote: »
    I think that's a entirely separate issue @TripAces. The article is referring to Star Wars fatigue with "four movies in two and a half years" and not one movie every two years. There's nothing wrong with releasing a Bond movie every 2 years. Notice the article isn't discussing Mission: Impossible fatigue.
    I'm with you. There is no evidence that the market cannot handle a Bond film every two years. The last time they tried it for QoS the film blasted out of the gates at the box office in most markets. In the end it did almost as well as CR. It just wasn't a product that the market liked as much as what preceded it. There were a number of reasons for that, but the 2 year release schedule wasn't one of them.

    James Bond is quite a unique entity and always has been. Most of the other spy entries (save perhaps for MI) don't directly compete with it. This is quite different from the superhero genre, where both DC and Marvel churn out multiple films per year.

    If someone went back and checked the overall profitability of these films over a 2 or 3/4 year period, they may find that a more regular release schedule results in better (or at least more consistent) financial results overall. As an example, MGM probably did very well over the 2006-2008 period on account of CR/QoS, even though neither was as big a hit globally as SF.

    Apart from the long wait between SF and SP there have been other factors for them taking a while to get these out. Once a new man is installed in the lead chair perhaps they will decide to entertain a more rapid release schedule. It will be dependent on MGM (or whoever owns it by the time B26/B27 is being formulated) too of course.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    Its a transition film, and we really should have seen this coming. EON are so goddamned sneaky, they're at it again!

    DAF cranks up the camp factor, as preparation for a more comedic take after Connery.

    AVTAK notches up the violence and edge in advance of Timmy's gruesome twosome.

    DAD plants the seed of a broken Bond before Craig takes the idea and runs with it.

    As we know, the pendulum swings from one side to the other. So who does one inject the kinetic, snappy Bond whilst maintaining the "have something to say" ethos of the Craig era. Danny Boyle is the perfect man for the job, on paper at least.

    Such an obvious fit we really should have seen it coming.


    I'm really looking forward to what comes next after Craig, and the next dawn of Bond when things will be truly fresh, breaking the seal on a new era etc... But they are being very art about how they freshen things up here, to get the best out of what's left of Craig's time in the role.

    I have a good feeling that you're right about this.
  • edited May 2018 Posts: 4,460
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    looks like bond 25 to be digital not film unlike spectre according to imdb and in 35mm

    Good observation. The last Boyle movie that was mainly shot on film was Sunshine back in 2007. It really is extremely likely Bond 25 will be shot in digital.

    Funny to think that Bond 26 will probably be shot on film (Nolan dislikes digital.)

    QOS - film
    SF - digital
    SP - film
    Bond 25 - digital
    Bond 26 - film
  • RC7RC7
    edited May 2018 Posts: 9,892
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    looks like bond 25 to be digital not film unlike spectre according to imdb and in 35mm

    Good observation. The last Boyle movie that was mainly shot on film was Sunshine back in 2007. It really is extremely likely Bond 25 will be shot in digital.

    Funny to think that Bond 26 will probably be shot on film (Nolan dislikes digital.)

    QOS - film
    SF - digital
    SP - film
    Bond 25 - digital
    Bond 26 - film

    I’m assuming digital too, if Boyle gets in Dod Mantle. Very much looking forward to what the pair can deliver.
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    bondsum wrote: »

    Of course, the counter argument is that by delaying your brand or product so that your product is the best it can possibly be doesn't necessarily work either. Ironically, both Hodge and Boyle have been given very little time to both write the story and get it into production, which kind of negates the whole extended gap exercise, especially if it's still going to be a bollock-ball-scramble scenario.

    This is an important point.

    I think there's a solid chance that EON have been toiling away very quietly, having been burned by the Sony hacks.

    But I also think there's a solid chance that their 'rest' was too long and that, as you say, it won't have been used to full advantage in order to deliver a better film.
  • RC7RC7
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    octofinger wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »

    Of course, the counter argument is that by delaying your brand or product so that your product is the best it can possibly be doesn't necessarily work either. Ironically, both Hodge and Boyle have been given very little time to both write the story and get it into production, which kind of negates the whole extended gap exercise, especially if it's still going to be a bollock-ball-scramble scenario.

    This is an important point.

    I think there's a solid chance that EON have been toiling away very quietly, having been burned by the Sony hacks.

    But I also think there's a solid chance that their 'rest' was too long and that, as you say, it won't have been used to full advantage in order to deliver a better film.

    It’s an important point if you assume they are deliberately delaying, which they aren’t. It’s a bit more complex than that. As has been said before, there’s no correlation between the length of gestation and the quality of the film. I think there’s every reason to be positive.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld Minnesota USA
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    looks like bond 25 to be digital not film unlike spectre according to imdb and in 35mm

    Good observation. The last Boyle movie that was mainly shot on film was Sunshine back in 2007. It really is extremely likely Bond 25 will be shot in digital.

    Funny to think that Bond 26 will probably be shot on film (Nolan dislikes digital.)

    QOS - film
    SF - digital
    SP - film
    Bond 25 - digital
    Bond 26 - film

    was casino royale in film?
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    looks like bond 25 to be digital not film unlike spectre according to imdb and in 35mm

    Good observation. The last Boyle movie that was mainly shot on film was Sunshine back in 2007. It really is extremely likely Bond 25 will be shot in digital.

    Funny to think that Bond 26 will probably be shot on film (Nolan dislikes digital.)

    QOS - film
    SF - digital
    SP - film
    Bond 25 - digital
    Bond 26 - film

    was casino royale in film?

    Yes.

    Based on Boyle's recent filmography I think we could expect Bond shot on digital again, we'll see. Boyle has a special attachment to that medium.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    A fresh perspective and a new energy are needed; Boyle will bring both.

    I loved the idea of continuity in CR through QoS (especially after decades of non-continuity), but SP was so exhausting that I just want a solid standalone now.
  • RC7RC7
    edited May 2018 Posts: 9,892
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    looks like bond 25 to be digital not film unlike spectre according to imdb and in 35mm

    Good observation. The last Boyle movie that was mainly shot on film was Sunshine back in 2007. It really is extremely likely Bond 25 will be shot in digital.

    Funny to think that Bond 26 will probably be shot on film (Nolan dislikes digital.)

    QOS - film
    SF - digital
    SP - film
    Bond 25 - digital
    Bond 26 - film

    was casino royale in film?

    Yes.
    echo wrote: »
    A fresh perspective and a new energy are needed; Boyle will bring both.

    Definitely. Hopefully we’re in for a treat.
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    I’m uneducated about the whole film/digital difference. All I know is I much prefer the way SF looks to how SP looks, and CR and QOS are right behind SF.
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    Annapurna posed this awesome picture on their Instagram celebrating the Bond deal



  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
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    OK, so we have director, scriptwriter, and distribution. Next one I am most interested in is the composer. So glad Newman is gone like the dusty, bland, lazy wind he rode in on. Quite intrigued as to which composer will come on board. It seems like so many possibilities just now. :)
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Annapurna posed this awesome picture on their Instagram celebrating the Bond deal



    Oh great, another LALD homage. ;)
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    OK, so we have director, scriptwriter, and distribution. Next one I am most interested in is the composer. So glad Newman is gone like the dusty, bland, lazy wind he rode in on. Quite intrigued as to which composer will come on board. It seems like so many possibilities just now. :)

    This is the major thing I'm waiting for confirmation about. Really tried to like the last two scores, but they just didn't work, if you ask me. Hope we get someone who can bring a bit of life to the music.
  • mybudgetbondmybudgetbond The World
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    I actually did like the Skyfall soundtrack, but Spectre had a lot of bland recycled work. Not all bad, but not what it should have been.
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    Boyle has worked with Arnold before on two separate occasions for one of his films and the 2012 Olympics short. While that doesn't confirm his involvement, it wouldn't discount him either. I just hope the score for Bond 25 delivers something awesome and memorable instead of bland and unmemorable.
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    Murdock wrote: »
    I just hope the score for Bond 25 delivers something awesome and memorable instead of bland and unmemorable.
    You better start hoping Arnold won't return, then.
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    Murdock wrote: »
    I just hope the score for Bond 25 delivers something awesome and memorable instead of bland and unmemorable.
    You better start hoping Arnold won't return, then.

    Arnold bland and unmemorable? You're out of it. Nice bait though. =))
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    They seem to be trying some new things this time, with new people. Long overdue in my view, and hopefully that carries forward to the composer too.
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