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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe Given the circumstances
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Boyle doesn't have much experience with action. 'Trance' has some brief action, other than that I'm not sure.
    As I said I'm glad Armstrong is not involved. Was it not claimed that stunt co-ordinator Greg Powell was to be promoted to second unit director?

    Like I said, Bond 25 will be more about character and emotion than about action spectacle.
  • BennyBenny Classified Administrator, Moderator
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    Michael Apted had little to no action experience when he directed TWINE, yet there is plenty of action sequences in that film.
    So it will be with Bond 25 no doubt. As no-one has seen a script, or any story angles, it's a little premature to say what will happen.
    It's possible that Boyle will want to scale the action back, but there will still be action in the next movie. It's a Bond film.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited May 2018 Posts: 15,423
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Boyle doesn't have much experience with action. 'Trance' has some brief action, other than that I'm not sure.
    As I said I'm glad Armstrong is not involved. Was it not claimed that stunt co-ordinator Greg Powell was to be promoted to second unit director?

    Like I said, Bond 25 will be more about character and emotion than about action spectacle.
    Give me an action-driven adventure starring an eyebrow raising but relevant adventurer any day over emotion and so-called character development. Any day of the week, I say. As I speak for myself, give me an era where the standards are the former rather than the latter.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Benny wrote: »
    Michael Apted had little to no action experience when he directed TWINE, yet there is plenty of action sequences in that film.
    Not sure that is the best example as, PTS aside, the action in that film is largely terrible.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe Given the circumstances
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Boyle doesn't have much experience with action. 'Trance' has some brief action, other than that I'm not sure.
    As I said I'm glad Armstrong is not involved. Was it not claimed that stunt co-ordinator Greg Powell was to be promoted to second unit director?

    Like I said, Bond 25 will be more about character and emotion than about action spectacle.
    Give me an action-driven adventure starring an eyebrow raising but relevant adventurer any day over emotion and so-called character development. Any day of the week, I say. As I speak for myself, give me an era where the standards are the former rather than the latter.

    I agree but that is not what we will be getting with a Boyle directed Craig Bond film. Looking forward to B26 and a new actor for that very reason.
  • BennyBenny Classified Administrator, Moderator
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    Benny wrote: »
    Michael Apted had little to no action experience when he directed TWINE, yet there is plenty of action sequences in that film.
    Not sure that is the best example as, PTS aside, the action in that film is largely terrible.

    I didn't say it was great action ;)
    The PTS, the snow chase, the nuclear facility, the (lol) defusing the bomb in the pipe, the helicopter buzz saw attack at the caviar factory, and the submarine finale.
    It's pretty full of action. Even with a director noted for his story telling and appreciation of actors, TWINE still missed the mark. At least for me.
    I'm hoping the same will not be so of Bond 25. With Boyle I have the same level of confidence since I heard Martin Campbell was directing CR.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Benny wrote: »
    I didn't say it was great action ;)
    Fair point.
    Benny wrote: »
    With Boyle I have the same level of confidence since I heard Martin Campbell was directing CR.
    I’m with you there. The fresh injection of ideas Boyle will bring is the only thing that gives me any optimism over the whole project at all.

    Although if this ‘female protege agent’ is true even that optimism might prove to be misplaced.
  • edited May 2018 Posts: 12,588
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Boyle doesn't have much experience with action. 'Trance' has some brief action, other than that I'm not sure.
    As I said I'm glad Armstrong is not involved. Was it not claimed that stunt co-ordinator Greg Powell was to be promoted to second unit director?

    Like I said, Bond 25 will be more about character and emotion than about action spectacle.
    Give me an action-driven adventure starring an eyebrow raising but relevant adventurer any day over emotion and so-called character development. Any day of the week, I say. As I speak for myself, give me an era where the standards are the former rather than the latter.

    Can't we have both? That was why I really liked Spectre. Bond's as fleshed out and real seeming as he is in the other Craig movies and actually develops, but they wrapped that up in an old school adventure with one liners and a giant henchman and a bespoke bulletproof Aston and all that other stuff (while still subverting that so it doesn't get boring, love how he finally gets to bust out the shaken not stirred line and they don't serve alcohol).

    I think the only misstep was the foster brother angle. I prefer the emotion and character development to come from the mission/story/Bond's adult life instead of contrived links to his childhood. But I think that was a Mendes thing, can't see Boyle going there again. I'm optimistic.

    I liked SF and really liked SP but I do think Boyle will be just what we need after two Mendes movies. The last two have felt quite epic and sweeping, lots of long moody shots. I think Boyle's film will be tighter and have a lot more energy, he's got a great style for that.

    I also think he's going to approach it in a different way. I think the bank holiday Bond fan comment someone made a few pages back sums up Mendes. He wanted to take the image of Bond he had from his childhood where they popped up on ITV at Christmas and bank holidays (the Moore/Connery one) and deconstruct it, look at his childhood, where he came from. From Boyle's comments about the books and Bond's world, his film will be more concerned with the present and what Bond is doing now. Plus they're from two different worlds. Mendes is a posh Cambridge graduate, Boyle is a working class manc who turned down a knighthood. So I reckon we might get a film that's a lot more anti establishment than the very 'For Queen and Country' SF.

    So different directing style, different views on Bond, different world view/background. I think it's really going to be a breath of fresh air.
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    Benny wrote: »
    Michael Apted had little to no action experience when he directed TWINE, yet there is plenty of action sequences in that film.
    Not sure that is the best example as, PTS aside, the action in that film is largely terrible.

    I totally disagree but to each their own
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2018 Posts: 23,883
    I don't have too many expectations for B25.

    The trouble with TWINE and SP is that they tried to have it both ways. Emotional drama combined with traditional Bond formula. I don't think that works readily. It's not easy to pull off. Both films consequently give off distinct auteur vibes with tacked on (and poorly realized imho) action - action for the sake of it. Obvious fan service, and badly done at that. I hope not to see that ever again, least of all in B25.

    Instead, I hope they decide to go 'all in' with Boyle's vision, just as they did with Mendes' SF. Build the film around that vision and ensure it's tonally consistent. Ensure that the characters, interactions and acting resonate. Furthermore, ensure that the dialogue is crisp and memorable.

    I'd also rather they focus more on suspense rather than big spectacle action. It's been a while since we've had a tightly scripted, suspenseful Bond film, and I'm longing for one. Reading that they may be using digital cameras again makes me hopeful that we see some night photography in a large city (preferably European). Give me atmosphere that I can feel.

    I'd be fine with one lavish set piece to open the film (either in the PTS or the post-titles sequence) and one to close it. I just hope they are memorable and showcase Bond's intelligence, rather than portraying him as just another action man idiot.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe Given the circumstances
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I don't have too many expectations for B25.

    The trouble with TWINE and SP is that they tried to have it both ways. Emotional drama combined with traditional Bond formula. I don't think that works readily. It's not easy to pull off. Both films consequently give off distinct auteur vibes with tacked on (and poorly realized imho) action - action for the sake of it. Obvious fan service, and badly done at that. I hope not to see that ever again, least of all in B25.

    Instead, I hope they decide to go 'all in' with Boyle's vision, just as they did with Mendes' SF. Build the film around that vision and ensure it's tonally consistent. Ensure that the characters, interactions and acting resonate. Furthermore, ensure that the dialogue is crisp and memorable.

    I'd also rather they focus more on suspense rather than big spectacle action. It's been a while since we've had a tightly scripted, suspenseful Bond film, and I'm longing for one. Reading that they may be using digital cameras again makes me hopeful that we see some night photography in a large city (preferably European). Give me atmosphere that I can feel.

    I'd be fine with one lavish set piece to open the film (either in the PTS or the post-titles sequence) and one to close it. I just hope they are memorable and showcase Bond's intelligence, rather than portraying him as just another action man idiot.

    Absolutely cracking post, 100% agree.
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    So let me get this right. Every rumour so far, other than the one concerning Boyle and Hodge working on B25 has proven to be false, is this right?
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    bondsum wrote: »
    So let me get this right. Every rumour so far, other than the one concerning Boyle and Hodge working on B25 has proven to be false, is this right?

    Considering both me and The Wiz King hate the Angelina Jolie rumor one would hope that this is the case for all rumors
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    edited May 2018 Posts: 3,157
    bondsum wrote: »
    So let me get this right. Every rumour so far, other than the one concerning Boyle and Hodge working on B25 has proven to be false, is this right?

    Every rumor by CashleyPersia was proven wrong, except for the Boyle and Hodge rumor which had previously reported by different sources. So yeah.
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    You're not alone @Risico007. I'm not too thrilled by the Angelina Jolie rumour either, nor the rookie spy angle to boot.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    If I'm not mistaken, the only credible information to date has been reported by Deadline, Variety, The Hollywood Reporter, The New York Times (which broke Craig's return prior to his Colbert announcement), and Baz Bambigoye.

    Everything else from everyone else has been debunked.
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    Personally I just feel the Logan angle would feel kind of tiresome after Skyfall and Spectre as we just hit those beats

    As I pointed out in my idea for Bond 25 I have no issue with adapting elements of you only live twice and having Gala Brand be the new 007 with Bond as a diplomat (but of course with event unfolding that have Gala retiring at he end and Bond back as 007) with a soft reboot for Bond number 7 ( a mention of Le Chiffre or visiting Swann’s grave or something like that but having those event be a 2 years ago instead of ten)

    But even with that said what was being rumored takes my idea out back rapes it and then throws it at me saying see isn’t this what you want...

    Though I actually don’t want the title spoiled for me this time around so what does everyone think stop coming to the site after October untill the press conference in December ?
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    bondjames wrote: »
    If I'm not mistaken, the only credible information to date has been reported by Deadline, Variety, The Hollywood Reporter, The New York Times (which broke Craig's return prior to his Colbert announcement), and Baz Bambigoye.

    Everything else from everyone else has been debunked.

    Exactly.
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    JWPepper wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    00Agent wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    CR (...) was grounded, but completely exhilarating and bursting with life and energy.
    Perfectly described. It remains the highlight of this era and I hope they go back to its style with the next film.

    With Boyle it is entirely possible. Even though he has a style of his own of course. But he is pretty much known for vibrant and exhilarating movies.

    I have been watching all of Boyles movies in the last 2 Month and I came to the conclusion that Boyle may be my favorite director to ever take on Bond. I never cared for any of the other guys BEFORE their Bond gig. With Boyle i love almost his entire filmography.

    There are a couple of things i would like to point out, there is definitly some connective tissue in his movies that may be hinting at what he could do with Bond25. What he seems to be mostly drawn to are storys where the main character goes through absolute hell just to come out victorious at the other end, from Trainspotting, Slumdog millionaire, 28 Days Later to Sunshine, 127 Hours (in spades).
    He is a sucker for happy endings with a meaning behind them. I have a strong feeling he will utilize that in B25.

    Meneds was completely different, moody, more drawn to slightly nihilistic Material, and it shows in both his films. He liked to dwell in moods, while Boyle comes straight to the point, thats why his movies are relatively short. They could not be more different from one another.

    well said. At their heart Boyle's films tell compelling stories while Mendes does atmosphere with narrative bolted on.

    I am looking forward to a Bond film with a strong plot at its core - something we haven't really had since CR.

    This i agree with.

    I remember Mendes's 'Road To Perdition' being all surface and no content.

    I think one reviewer at the time described it as a beautiful Mercedes with no engine.

    I'll take a good strong story with great dialogue over action and effects any day of the week.

    Something i'm hoping Boyle brings to the proceedings.

    Mendes made some great films. Road to Perdition is definitely one of them. Fantastic film:-)

    I remember being utterly underwhelmed by Road to Perdition. amazing cast but utterly lacking in narrative drive or emotional heft. it was the point at which I began to doubt Mendes. after that I don't think I bothered with any of his films at the cinema.

    Boyle is a much more gifted director IMO
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    bondjames wrote: »
    If I'm not mistaken, the only credible information to date has been reported by Deadline, Variety, The Hollywood Reporter, The New York Times (which broke Craig's return prior to his Colbert announcement), and Baz Bambigoye.

    Everything else from everyone else has been debunked.

    To be specific:

    May 9, 2017: Bamigboye reports Purvis & Wade signed to write Bond 25. Confirmed July 24, 2017 announcement about release date.

    April 3, 2017: New York Post says Craig is coming back.

    July 24, 2017: New York Times says Craig is coming back.

    Both confirmed by Craig's appearance on Colbert.

    Feb. 20, 2018: Variety reports Danny Boye may direct Bond 25.

    Feb. 21, 2018: Deadline: Hollywood reports Boyle will direct IF an idea he has submitted and is being written into a script is selected.

    March 8, 2018: Bamigboye reports Craig is putting his weight behind having Boyle direct.

    March 14, 2018: Boyle confirms in public appearances he's interested in directing Bond 25, everything depends on the script being accepted.


    There were earlier stories about Villeneuve being a favorite, etc., and the director did acknowledge having the conversation. The stories even if true didn't work out.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    So, I have a question. We'll only see MGM's logo, and not anyone else's?
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    So, I have a question. We'll only see MGM's logo, and not anyone else's?
    If I'm not mistaken, those in North America will only see the MGM logo at the start. Those international will see both the MGM and Universal logos.
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    So what's the next bit of news could we hear now that Boyle and the distributors have been announced? Plus does anybody know how far along Boyle is with his Beatles film?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Now it'll be sprinkled bits of rumors and confirmations over other crew members, cast members and locations they're scouting to shoot at (with, perhaps, some hints at scenes tossed in for good measure. I believe when Austria was announced as a scouting locale, they hinted at the stunt involving the airplane? Been so long I could be mistaken, though.)

    Thought someone mentioned here the other day that he's already done filming the Beatles movie.
  • RC7RC7
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    So we don't get hard news on the title until Dec., is that the expectation?

    I would expect so. They like to use the title reveal to launch the production.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Didn't the SP title get leaked just a few days before the last press conference they did for the unveiling? I could've swore we discussed it only a couple of days prior.
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    Presumably they'll be hashing out the details of Whoopi Goldberg's character now - I have to imagine that will be the next piece of info we'll get.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    They are shooting at Pinewood according to a recent tweet by them.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    octofinger wrote: »
    Presumably they'll be hashing out the details of Whoopi Goldberg's character now - I have to imagine that will be the next piece of info we'll get.

    She's set to appear as every character in the film, including extras.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    octofinger wrote: »
    Presumably they'll be hashing out the details of Whoopi Goldberg's character now - I have to imagine that will be the next piece of info we'll get.
    She's set to appear as every character in the film, including extras.
    Reminds me of that Jason Statham ad. :))
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