No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Posts: 11,425
    Loving the new Star Wars poster. https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2017/oct/17/the-last-jedi-luke-skywalker-goes-to-the-dark-side

    If Star Wars can go all retro with their poster art, then why not Bond? It really is long overdue that EON brought back the traditional expansive illustrated posters. Even if they are just there for collectors. A crying shame.
  • Posts: 11,119
    In other words, with all the dog whistle you're putting up there, you could simply say you want things to stay more of the same as the last two ones. Saves you trouble and time.

    No, that's not what I am saying. And if you took some time in what topics I have been posting in here and what stories I have written, you OUGHT to know that what you're saying is pretty much.....wrong.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    In other words, with all the dog whistle you're putting up there, you could simply say you want things to stay more of the same as the last two ones. Saves you trouble and time.

    No, that's not what I am saying. And if you took some time in what topics I have been posting in here and what stories I have written, you OUGHT to know that what you're saying is pretty much.....wrong.
    Whatever floats your boat, pal.
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
    Posts: 16,099
    In other words, with all the dog whistle you're putting up there, you could simply say you want things to stay more of the same as the last two ones. Saves you trouble and time.

    No, that's not what I am saying. And if you took some time in what topics I have been posting in here and what stories I have written, you OUGHT to know that what you're saying is pretty much.....wrong.

    Not everyone is going to be interested in those topics. You can't force people to contribute to them no matter how red in the face you get. He has his opinions and you have yours. Just accept that and move on.
  • edited October 2017 Posts: 11,119
    Murdock wrote: »
    In other words, with all the dog whistle you're putting up there, you could simply say you want things to stay more of the same as the last two ones. Saves you trouble and time.

    No, that's not what I am saying. And if you took some time in what topics I have been posting in here and what stories I have written, you OUGHT to know that what you're saying is pretty much.....wrong.

    Not everyone is going to be interested in those topics. You can't force people to contribute to them no matter how red in the face you get. He has his opinions and you have yours. Just accept that and move on.

    Opinions are one thing. Factual inaccuracies are another. On the whole I agree with you though.

    Anyway, let's do an example from what I previously suggested shall we? What does Jany Temime needs to do.....or needs to change.....to make all of us a bit more happy?
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    Murdock wrote: »
    In other words, with all the dog whistle you're putting up there, you could simply say you want things to stay more of the same as the last two ones. Saves you trouble and time.

    No, that's not what I am saying. And if you took some time in what topics I have been posting in here and what stories I have written, you OUGHT to know that what you're saying is pretty much.....wrong.

    Not everyone is going to be interested in those topics. You can't force people to contribute to them no matter how red in the face you get. He has his opinions and you have yours. Just accept that and move on.

    Here here!
  • Posts: 11,119
    Murdock wrote: »
    In other words, with all the dog whistle you're putting up there, you could simply say you want things to stay more of the same as the last two ones. Saves you trouble and time.

    No, that's not what I am saying. And if you took some time in what topics I have been posting in here and what stories I have written, you OUGHT to know that what you're saying is pretty much.....wrong.

    Not everyone is going to be interested in those topics. You can't force people to contribute to them no matter how red in the face you get. He has his opinions and you have yours. Just accept that and move on.

    Here here!

    And there there! ;-)
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
    Posts: 16,099
    Opinions are one thing. Factual inaccuracies are another.

    Just agree to disagree and be done with it.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited October 2017 Posts: 2,138
    Murdock wrote: »
    In other words, with all the dog whistle you're putting up there, you could simply say you want things to stay more of the same as the last two ones. Saves you trouble and time.

    No, that's not what I am saying. And if you took some time in what topics I have been posting in here and what stories I have written, you OUGHT to know that what you're saying is pretty much.....wrong.

    Not everyone is going to be interested in those topics. You can't force people to contribute to them no matter how red in the face you get. He has his opinions and you have yours. Just accept that and move on.

    Opinions are one thing. Factual inaccuracies are another. On the whole I agree with you though.

    Anyway, let's do an example from what I previously suggested shall we? What does Jany Temime needs to do.....or needs to change.....to make all of us a bit more happy?

    Move away from Tom Ford. It's now taken over the whole film wardrobe and Spectre felt like a advert for TF at times. Needs to mix it up a bit like Skyfall by using other brands like Barbour, Zara. And put Craig in a tailored cut suit instead of slim or skinny.
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    Just QOS style. That's all
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    If Temime returns (most likely) I would greatly appreciate it if she stops with the ridiculously constricted suits. Bond is meant to be a well tailored spy with refined sartorial tastes.

    I also would prefer that she not attempt to put Craig in clothing to remind us of Connery (SF grey suit, or SP white dinner jacket with red carnation). She has mentioned that she was trying to evoke that look, and I think it's rather silly to continue with this attempt. He doesn't have the same height, frame or poise and so such an approach only results in inferior negative comparisons imho.

    Put him in something which a man of his build looks good in - and yes, as has been mentioned by many of us here in the past, the QOS look works best on him. We can see it. Why can't she (or he)?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    Just QOS style. That's all
    +1
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
    Posts: 16,099
    With this most likely being Craig's last Bond film, I'd like to see him in Black combat fatigues like what Bond wore in the PTS of TLD and GE.

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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    True! We never got Craig's Bond wearing that...

    He was even given a commando gear in the original design for the GoldenEye 007 remake on Wii, but was later altered.
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    Yeah this is the closest we've gotten to it so far.
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  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    That would be great too.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Yeah this is the closest we've gotten to it so far.
    GoldenEye_007_-_Wii_-_1.jpg
    The initial Bond character model GoldenEye 007 included, @Murdock:

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  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
    Posts: 16,099
    Murdock wrote: »
    Yeah this is the closest we've gotten to it so far.
    GoldenEye_007_-_Wii_-_1.jpg
    The initial Bond character model GoldenEye 007 included, @Murdock:

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    nsmgNfz.jpg
    sCWHOK7.png
    KVrKbIY.jpg

    Now that's awesome! :-bd
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Murdock wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Yeah this is the closest we've gotten to it so far.
    GoldenEye_007_-_Wii_-_1.jpg
    The initial Bond character model GoldenEye 007 included, @Murdock:

    HYSBFJG.png
    nsmgNfz.jpg
    sCWHOK7.png
    KVrKbIY.jpg

    Now that's awesome! :-bd
    I'm personally partial to the stealth outfit we got in the final game. :)
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
    Posts: 16,099
    Murdock wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Yeah this is the closest we've gotten to it so far.
    GoldenEye_007_-_Wii_-_1.jpg
    The initial Bond character model GoldenEye 007 included, @Murdock:

    HYSBFJG.png
    nsmgNfz.jpg
    sCWHOK7.png
    KVrKbIY.jpg

    Now that's awesome! :-bd
    I'm personally partial to the stealth outfit we got in the final game. :)

    It's alright but it just feels too casual and lightweight. Kinda like his snow outfit in SP.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Yeah this is the closest we've gotten to it so far.
    GoldenEye_007_-_Wii_-_1.jpg
    The initial Bond character model GoldenEye 007 included, @Murdock:

    HYSBFJG.png
    nsmgNfz.jpg
    sCWHOK7.png
    KVrKbIY.jpg

    Now that's awesome! :-bd
    I'm personally partial to the stealth outfit we got in the final game. :)

    It's alright but it just feels too casual and lightweight. Kinda like his snow outfit in SP.
    Yes, it feels lightweight. That's why I like it. Makes him move more freely as opposed to dressed to assault. Besides, not tucking his pants into the boots is a big plus for me (as that military tucking of the pants into the boots is a pet peeve of mine. :)) ).
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    Call me traditional. ;)
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    You got it. ;)
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Bond is meant to be a well tailored spy with refined sartorial tastes.
    And who exactly decides what "well tailored" is, if not Jany Temime, an expert of the field?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    bondjames wrote: »
    Bond is meant to be a well tailored spy with refined sartorial tastes.
    And who exactly decides what "well tailored" is, if not Jany Temime, an expert of the field?
    It doesn't take an expert to realize that, really.

    There are cheap suits (i.e. baggy), there are fashion suits (for flashy and metrosexual people) and then there are well-tailored suits (a gentleman's wear).
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    bondjames wrote: »
    If Temime returns (most likely) I would greatly appreciate it if she stops with the ridiculously constricted suits. Bond is meant to be a well tailored spy with refined sartorial tastes.

    I also would prefer that she not attempt to put Craig in clothing to remind us of Connery (SF grey suit, or SP white dinner jacket with red carnation). She has mentioned that she was trying to evoke that look, and I think it's rather silly to continue with this attempt. He doesn't have the same height, frame or poise and so such an approach only results in inferior negative comparisons imho.

    Put him in something which a man of his build looks good in - and yes, as has been mentioned by many of us here in the past, the QOS look works best on him. We can see it. Why can't she (or he)?

    I think Jany Temime mostly looked at romantic movies from the 1950's and 1940's, like "Casablanca". That was her prime inspiration really. She openly talked about it. Bond's look should reflect Humphrey Bogart, not necessarily Sean Connery. That's what she specifically said in interviews. Madeleine's short cocktail dress (and its motifs/patterns) at Blofeld's lair was even inspired by Igrid Bergman's dress:
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    The 'desert themed fashion' was especially visible dduring the scenes in the Sahara/Moroccan desert:
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    So perhaps we, Bond fans, are too soon thinking that it's 'cheap copy-paste work' from the Connery films. Again, I never heard Jany Temime saying that she wanted to make the film look like a 60's Bond film. On the contrary, both Dutch crew members Hoyte van Hoytema and Jany Temime worked closely together to create that warm desert theme, both in the visuals as well as with the wardrobes.

    Lastly, I do think it's all a matter of opinion when we say that Bond looks better in this or that. Personally, I think his suits were already a bit more 'regular fit' than 'slim fit'. That's a recent trend that's coming back again. Slim fit jeans are a bit 'out', whereas regular fit jeans are 'trendsetting' again in 2017.

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    Murdock wrote: »
    With this most likely being Craig's last Bond film, I'd like to see him in Black combat fatigues like what Bond wore in the PTS of TLD and GE.

    I like to see Craig wearing stuff, that his immediate predecessors didn't wear before (I don't mind Humphrey Bogart though ;-) )...and that reflects the current fashion trends. Craig's winter wardrobe in Austria was marvellous.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Yes, the Austrian wardrobe had bit of an OHMSS feel to it.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2017 Posts: 23,883
    bondjames wrote: »
    Bond is meant to be a well tailored spy with refined sartorial tastes.
    And who exactly decides what "well tailored" is, if not Jany Temime, an expert of the field?
    I don't care what her credentials are. She is someone I'd rather see off the job after Craig leaves. As far as I'm concerned, she is subpar and is making a mockery of Bond's look.
    So perhaps we, Bond fans, are too soon thinking that it's 'cheap copy-paste work' from the Connery films. Again, I never heard Jany Temime saying that she wanted to make the film look like a 60's Bond film.
    Well I did. The white dinner suit with red carnation addition is a Connery classic. So, irrespective of your assessment of my opinion, I stand by it. Moreover, the man split his pants in Tangier (something which his costar laughed about in interviews after the film was released), so it wasn't just my impression that things were taken too far.
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