No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Posts: 15,785
    Bond 25 needs to go back to basics. Normal assignment, Bond not going through too much of another character arc this time, make him more like the vulnerable and bloodied Bond of CR and LTK, and less of a superhero.

    More importantly, bring some Fleming scenes back into it, like Cubby did with the 80's Bond films. We all know by now which scenes are still out there from the Fleming novels that are untapped and never been used. Its been discussed to death on here.

    The good thing is, P&W are all for resurrecting the Fleming novels. The bad news is, they appear to get overruled by the powers that be. I hope this time it will be different.

    Here's hoping the title of Bond 25 will be Shatterhand, with the Bond girl being Viv Michel who Bond rescues at a motel, with scenes and characters appearing from MR, DAF, TSWLM and YOLT. Then Bond 26 can be based on TMWTGG novel, with an opening showing a brainwashed Bond confronting M.

    One can live in hope....

    Well said. I'm all for B25 featuring elements from TSWLM novel as well as YOLT.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited March 2017 Posts: 4,548
    barryt007 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Would be great if they shot DC looking more like this in the films. Does make me wish for a straightforward full on Bond mission movie. Not gonna happen tho I don't think in his tenure
    You can't with Craig. You have to finish the Spectre story

    SPECTRE should never be finished..there is no reason that Craig cant do a stand-alone film for BOND25 ,keep Blofeld on ice until BOND26....

    It's a shame but he has to finish this bull shit story arc which kind of sucks then the next actor hopefully can start clean

    The story arc can be fixed. As I posted in a different thread, there needs to be a storyline that makes the Blofeld-Bond connection more than just coincidence:

    1. Hannes Oberhauser was a Spectre agent--perhaps even a/the founding member.
    2. The Bonds were good friends to him, unaware of his ties to crime.
    3. After young James was adopted by Oberhauser, British Intelligence took a keen interest in him. In effect, they recruited and trained him, with the intent that he could be extremely useful in infiltrating Oberhauser and Spectre.
    4. But then Oberhauser, father and son, had died (presumably).
    5. Nevertheless, young Bond ended up at MI6 and eventually realized that he'd been molded by the British government, hence his line to Madeleine about the life he's living: "I never really had a choice."
    6. Somewhere between QoS and SF, M became aware that Oberhauser's son was still alive and began setting up the means by which Bond could find him, without revealing too much of MI6's role in it all.
    7. The box of items wasn't found at Skyfall. This was a ruse. It had actually been recovered from the MI6 headquarters after Silva bombed the place, but M (Fiennes) had the details changed.

    This isn't the best idea, but EON has put forth an even more ridiculous notion that a master criminal and a super spy had once been foster brothers. This has to be undone and rebuilt to make sense, somehow, and the above explanation might be the only path.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    TripAces wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Would be great if they shot DC looking more like this in the films. Does make me wish for a straightforward full on Bond mission movie. Not gonna happen tho I don't think in his tenure
    You can't with Craig. You have to finish the Spectre story

    SPECTRE should never be finished..there is no reason that Craig cant do a stand-alone film for BOND25 ,keep Blofeld on ice until BOND26....

    It's a shame but he has to finish this bull shit story arc which kind of sucks then the next actor hopefully can start clean

    The story arc can be fixed. As I posted in a different thread, there needs to be a storyline that makes the Blofeld-Bond connection more than just coincidence:

    1. Hannes Oberhauser was a Spectre agent--perhaps even a/the founding member.
    2. The Bonds were good friends to him, unaware of his ties to crime.
    3. After young James was adopted by Oberhauser, British Intelligence took a keen interest in him. In effect, they recruited and trained him, with the intent that he could be extremely useful in infiltrating Oberhauser and Spectre.
    4. But then Oberhauser, father and son, had died (presumably).
    5. Nevertheless, young Bond ended up at MI6 and eventually realized that he'd been molded by the British government, hence his line to Madeleine about the life he's living: "I never really had a choice."
    6. Somewhere between QoS and SF, M became aware that Oberhauser's son was still alive and began setting up the means by which Bond could find him, without revealing too much of MI6's role in it all.
    7. The box of items wasn't found at Skyfall. This was a ruse. It had actually been recovered from the MI6 headquarters after Silva bombed the place, but M (Fiennes) had the details changed.

    This isn't the best idea, but EON has put forth an even more ridiculous notion that a master criminal and a super spy had once been foster brothers. This has to be undone and rebuilt to make sense, somehow, and the above explanation might be the only path.

    That's not bad, it works but how would they even begin to tell that on screen, I some how don't mind a wrap up just have Craig in a yolt type storyline and then after b25 we're free for just a. Mission again.
  • Posts: 3,275
    TripAces wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Would be great if they shot DC looking more like this in the films. Does make me wish for a straightforward full on Bond mission movie. Not gonna happen tho I don't think in his tenure
    You can't with Craig. You have to finish the Spectre story

    SPECTRE should never be finished..there is no reason that Craig cant do a stand-alone film for BOND25 ,keep Blofeld on ice until BOND26....

    It's a shame but he has to finish this bull shit story arc which kind of sucks then the next actor hopefully can start clean

    The story arc can be fixed. As I posted in a different thread, there needs to be a storyline that makes the Blofeld-Bond connection more than just coincidence:

    1. Hannes Oberhauser was a Spectre agent--perhaps even a/the founding member.
    2. The Bonds were good friends to him, unaware of his ties to crime.
    3. After young James was adopted by Oberhauser, British Intelligence took a keen interest in him. In effect, they recruited and trained him, with the intent that he could be extremely useful in infiltrating Oberhauser and Spectre.
    4. But then Oberhauser, father and son, had died (presumably).
    5. Nevertheless, young Bond ended up at MI6 and eventually realized that he'd been molded by the British government, hence his line to Madeleine about the life he's living: "I never really had a choice."
    6. Somewhere between QoS and SF, M became aware that Oberhauser's son was still alive and began setting up the means by which Bond could find him, without revealing too much of MI6's role in it all.
    7. The box of items wasn't found at Skyfall. This was a ruse. It had actually been recovered from the MI6 headquarters after Silva bombed the place, but M (Fiennes) had the details changed.

    This isn't the best idea, but EON has put forth an even more ridiculous notion that a master criminal and a super spy had once been foster brothers. This has to be undone and rebuilt to make sense, somehow, and the above explanation might be the only path.

    I'd prefer that they don't mess this up any further. Just ignore it all. Bring some key Fleming scenes back. Have Blofeld escape and end up in his castle, and his garden of death, calling himself Dr. Shatterhand. Forget the brother/sibling crap, forget trying to dig out of an already ugly hole by making it any worse. Forget it ever happened and just go back to basics. Bond on a mission, going after Blofeld. End of.
  • Posts: 4,023
    TripAces wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Would be great if they shot DC looking more like this in the films. Does make me wish for a straightforward full on Bond mission movie. Not gonna happen tho I don't think in his tenure
    You can't with Craig. You have to finish the Spectre story

    SPECTRE should never be finished..there is no reason that Craig cant do a stand-alone film for BOND25 ,keep Blofeld on ice until BOND26....

    It's a shame but he has to finish this bull shit story arc which kind of sucks then the next actor hopefully can start clean

    The story arc can be fixed. As I posted in a different thread, there needs to be a storyline that makes the Blofeld-Bond connection more than just coincidence:

    1. Hannes Oberhauser was a Spectre agent--perhaps even a/the founding member.
    2. The Bonds were good friends to him, unaware of his ties to crime.
    3. After young James was adopted by Oberhauser, British Intelligence took a keen interest in him. In effect, they recruited and trained him, with the intent that he could be extremely useful in infiltrating Oberhauser and Spectre.
    4. But then Oberhauser, father and son, had died (presumably).
    5. Nevertheless, young Bond ended up at MI6 and eventually realized that he'd been molded by the British government, hence his line to Madeleine about the life he's living: "I never really had a choice."
    6. Somewhere between QoS and SF, M became aware that Oberhauser's son was still alive and began setting up the means by which Bond could find him, without revealing too much of MI6's role in it all.
    7. The box of items wasn't found at Skyfall. This was a ruse. It had actually been recovered from the MI6 headquarters after Silva bombed the place, but M (Fiennes) had the details changed.

    This isn't the best idea, but EON has put forth an even more ridiculous notion that a master criminal and a super spy had once been foster brothers. This has to be undone and rebuilt to make sense, somehow, and the above explanation might be the only path.

    I'd prefer that they don't mess this up any further. Just ignore it all. Bring some key Fleming scenes back. Have Blofeld escape and end up in his castle, and his garden of death, calling himself Dr. Shatterhand. Forget the brother/sibling crap, forget trying to dig out of an already ugly hole by making it any worse. Forget it ever happened and just go back to basics. Bond on a mission, going after Blofeld. End of.

    and killing Blofeld?
  • TripAces wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Would be great if they shot DC looking more like this in the films. Does make me wish for a straightforward full on Bond mission movie. Not gonna happen tho I don't think in his tenure
    You can't with Craig. You have to finish the Spectre story

    SPECTRE should never be finished..there is no reason that Craig cant do a stand-alone film for BOND25 ,keep Blofeld on ice until BOND26....

    It's a shame but he has to finish this bull shit story arc which kind of sucks then the next actor hopefully can start clean

    The story arc can be fixed. As I posted in a different thread, there needs to be a storyline that makes the Blofeld-Bond connection more than just coincidence:

    1. Hannes Oberhauser was a Spectre agent--perhaps even a/the founding member.
    2. The Bonds were good friends to him, unaware of his ties to crime.
    3. After young James was adopted by Oberhauser, British Intelligence took a keen interest in him. In effect, they recruited and trained him, with the intent that he could be extremely useful in infiltrating Oberhauser and Spectre.
    4. But then Oberhauser, father and son, had died (presumably).
    5. Nevertheless, young Bond ended up at MI6 and eventually realized that he'd been molded by the British government, hence his line to Madeleine about the life he's living: "I never really had a choice."
    6. Somewhere between QoS and SF, M became aware that Oberhauser's son was still alive and began setting up the means by which Bond could find him, without revealing too much of MI6's role in it all.
    7. The box of items wasn't found at Skyfall. This was a ruse. It had actually been recovered from the MI6 headquarters after Silva bombed the place, but M (Fiennes) had the details changed.

    This isn't the best idea, but EON has put forth an even more ridiculous notion that a master criminal and a super spy had once been foster brothers. This has to be undone and rebuilt to make sense, somehow, and the above explanation might be the only path.

    I'd prefer that they don't mess this up any further. Just ignore it all. Bring some key Fleming scenes back. Have Blofeld escape and end up in his castle, and his garden of death, calling himself Dr. Shatterhand. Forget the brother/sibling crap, forget trying to dig out of an already ugly hole by making it any worse. Forget it ever happened and just go back to basics. Bond on a mission, going after Blofeld. End of.

    Exactly, we don't need to spend a whole film cleaning up after Spectre. Casino Royale didn't introduce some kind of sci-fi reality warping device to explain the wonky CGI parasurfing in Die Another Day, and I think we can all agree Casino Royale is better off for it.

    Best case scenario: Send Craig off with a killer standalone and play out the YOLT/Shatterhand storyline with the next Bond, completely ignoring any of Craig's SPECTRE/Blofeld development to date. Just treat Blofeld like they did in the 60s, as a malleable foe they can work into whatever film with whatever tone with whatever actor playing him. They could even bring Waltz back to play a completely different Blofeld for all I care, like how Dench ostensibly played two different Ms for Brosnan and for Craig. Let Waltz do what he was originally going to the do with the character, or something else entirely.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    edited March 2017 Posts: 1,756
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
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    He still looks interested,thanks @Germanlady !

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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Waltz isn't going to come back and out of nowhere play a completely different Blofeld. What sense does that make, whatsoever?
    TripAces wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Would be great if they shot DC looking more like this in the films. Does make me wish for a straightforward full on Bond mission movie. Not gonna happen tho I don't think in his tenure
    You can't with Craig. You have to finish the Spectre story

    SPECTRE should never be finished..there is no reason that Craig cant do a stand-alone film for BOND25 ,keep Blofeld on ice until BOND26....

    It's a shame but he has to finish this bull shit story arc which kind of sucks then the next actor hopefully can start clean

    The story arc can be fixed. As I posted in a different thread, there needs to be a storyline that makes the Blofeld-Bond connection more than just coincidence:

    1. Hannes Oberhauser was a Spectre agent--perhaps even a/the founding member.
    2. The Bonds were good friends to him, unaware of his ties to crime.
    3. After young James was adopted by Oberhauser, British Intelligence took a keen interest in him. In effect, they recruited and trained him, with the intent that he could be extremely useful in infiltrating Oberhauser and Spectre.
    4. But then Oberhauser, father and son, had died (presumably).
    5. Nevertheless, young Bond ended up at MI6 and eventually realized that he'd been molded by the British government, hence his line to Madeleine about the life he's living: "I never really had a choice."
    6. Somewhere between QoS and SF, M became aware that Oberhauser's son was still alive and began setting up the means by which Bond could find him, without revealing too much of MI6's role in it all.
    7. The box of items wasn't found at Skyfall. This was a ruse. It had actually been recovered from the MI6 headquarters after Silva bombed the place, but M (Fiennes) had the details changed.

    This isn't the best idea, but EON has put forth an even more ridiculous notion that a master criminal and a super spy had once been foster brothers. This has to be undone and rebuilt to make sense, somehow, and the above explanation might be the only path.

    I'd prefer that they don't mess this up any further. Just ignore it all. Bring some key Fleming scenes back. Have Blofeld escape and end up in his castle, and his garden of death, calling himself Dr. Shatterhand. Forget the brother/sibling crap, forget trying to dig out of an already ugly hole by making it any worse. Forget it ever happened and just go back to basics. Bond on a mission, going after Blofeld. End of.

    Exactly, we don't need to spend a whole film cleaning up after Spectre. Casino Royale didn't introduce some kind of sci-fi reality warping device to explain the wonky CGI parasurfing in Die Another Day, and I think we can all agree Casino Royale is better off for it.

    It helped that CR had nothing to do with DAD or the other films, hence it's reboot title.
  • Posts: 3,275
    vzok wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Would be great if they shot DC looking more like this in the films. Does make me wish for a straightforward full on Bond mission movie. Not gonna happen tho I don't think in his tenure
    You can't with Craig. You have to finish the Spectre story

    SPECTRE should never be finished..there is no reason that Craig cant do a stand-alone film for BOND25 ,keep Blofeld on ice until BOND26....

    It's a shame but he has to finish this bull shit story arc which kind of sucks then the next actor hopefully can start clean

    The story arc can be fixed. As I posted in a different thread, there needs to be a storyline that makes the Blofeld-Bond connection more than just coincidence:

    1. Hannes Oberhauser was a Spectre agent--perhaps even a/the founding member.
    2. The Bonds were good friends to him, unaware of his ties to crime.
    3. After young James was adopted by Oberhauser, British Intelligence took a keen interest in him. In effect, they recruited and trained him, with the intent that he could be extremely useful in infiltrating Oberhauser and Spectre.
    4. But then Oberhauser, father and son, had died (presumably).
    5. Nevertheless, young Bond ended up at MI6 and eventually realized that he'd been molded by the British government, hence his line to Madeleine about the life he's living: "I never really had a choice."
    6. Somewhere between QoS and SF, M became aware that Oberhauser's son was still alive and began setting up the means by which Bond could find him, without revealing too much of MI6's role in it all.
    7. The box of items wasn't found at Skyfall. This was a ruse. It had actually been recovered from the MI6 headquarters after Silva bombed the place, but M (Fiennes) had the details changed.

    This isn't the best idea, but EON has put forth an even more ridiculous notion that a master criminal and a super spy had once been foster brothers. This has to be undone and rebuilt to make sense, somehow, and the above explanation might be the only path.

    I'd prefer that they don't mess this up any further. Just ignore it all. Bring some key Fleming scenes back. Have Blofeld escape and end up in his castle, and his garden of death, calling himself Dr. Shatterhand. Forget the brother/sibling crap, forget trying to dig out of an already ugly hole by making it any worse. Forget it ever happened and just go back to basics. Bond on a mission, going after Blofeld. End of.

    and killing Blofeld?

    Yes, kill him off, just like the ending in the YOLT novel. They've resurrected a character in a reboot era that has nothing to do with the original character that Fleming wrote.

    At least do the right thing now and kill him off, but in the way Fleming described. Try and right the wrongs of what they did with Blofeld in the last film.
  • Waltz isn't going to come back and out of nowhere play a completely different Blofeld. What sense does that make, whatsoever?

    With a new Bond and in a new continuity that would make perfect sense. Just like Judi Dench. But of course they could move on from Waltz and cast a whole new actor.
    TripAces wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Would be great if they shot DC looking more like this in the films. Does make me wish for a straightforward full on Bond mission movie. Not gonna happen tho I don't think in his tenure
    You can't with Craig. You have to finish the Spectre story

    SPECTRE should never be finished..there is no reason that Craig cant do a stand-alone film for BOND25 ,keep Blofeld on ice until BOND26....

    It's a shame but he has to finish this bull shit story arc which kind of sucks then the next actor hopefully can start clean

    The story arc can be fixed. As I posted in a different thread, there needs to be a storyline that makes the Blofeld-Bond connection more than just coincidence:

    1. Hannes Oberhauser was a Spectre agent--perhaps even a/the founding member.
    2. The Bonds were good friends to him, unaware of his ties to crime.
    3. After young James was adopted by Oberhauser, British Intelligence took a keen interest in him. In effect, they recruited and trained him, with the intent that he could be extremely useful in infiltrating Oberhauser and Spectre.
    4. But then Oberhauser, father and son, had died (presumably).
    5. Nevertheless, young Bond ended up at MI6 and eventually realized that he'd been molded by the British government, hence his line to Madeleine about the life he's living: "I never really had a choice."
    6. Somewhere between QoS and SF, M became aware that Oberhauser's son was still alive and began setting up the means by which Bond could find him, without revealing too much of MI6's role in it all.
    7. The box of items wasn't found at Skyfall. This was a ruse. It had actually been recovered from the MI6 headquarters after Silva bombed the place, but M (Fiennes) had the details changed.

    This isn't the best idea, but EON has put forth an even more ridiculous notion that a master criminal and a super spy had once been foster brothers. This has to be undone and rebuilt to make sense, somehow, and the above explanation might be the only path.

    I'd prefer that they don't mess this up any further. Just ignore it all. Bring some key Fleming scenes back. Have Blofeld escape and end up in his castle, and his garden of death, calling himself Dr. Shatterhand. Forget the brother/sibling crap, forget trying to dig out of an already ugly hole by making it any worse. Forget it ever happened and just go back to basics. Bond on a mission, going after Blofeld. End of.

    Exactly, we don't need to spend a whole film cleaning up after Spectre. Casino Royale didn't introduce some kind of sci-fi reality warping device to explain the wonky CGI parasurfing in Die Another Day, and I think we can all agree Casino Royale is better off for it.

    It helped that CR had nothing to do with DAD or the other films, hence it's reboot title.

    Yes, it did! And it would help if B25 has nothing to do with Spectre either! ;)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Waltz isn't going to come back and out of nowhere play a completely different Blofeld. What sense does that make, whatsoever?

    With a new Bond and in a new continuity that would make perfect sense. Just like Judi Dench. But of course they could move on from Waltz and cast a whole new actor.
    TripAces wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Would be great if they shot DC looking more like this in the films. Does make me wish for a straightforward full on Bond mission movie. Not gonna happen tho I don't think in his tenure
    You can't with Craig. You have to finish the Spectre story

    SPECTRE should never be finished..there is no reason that Craig cant do a stand-alone film for BOND25 ,keep Blofeld on ice until BOND26....

    It's a shame but he has to finish this bull shit story arc which kind of sucks then the next actor hopefully can start clean

    The story arc can be fixed. As I posted in a different thread, there needs to be a storyline that makes the Blofeld-Bond connection more than just coincidence:

    1. Hannes Oberhauser was a Spectre agent--perhaps even a/the founding member.
    2. The Bonds were good friends to him, unaware of his ties to crime.
    3. After young James was adopted by Oberhauser, British Intelligence took a keen interest in him. In effect, they recruited and trained him, with the intent that he could be extremely useful in infiltrating Oberhauser and Spectre.
    4. But then Oberhauser, father and son, had died (presumably).
    5. Nevertheless, young Bond ended up at MI6 and eventually realized that he'd been molded by the British government, hence his line to Madeleine about the life he's living: "I never really had a choice."
    6. Somewhere between QoS and SF, M became aware that Oberhauser's son was still alive and began setting up the means by which Bond could find him, without revealing too much of MI6's role in it all.
    7. The box of items wasn't found at Skyfall. This was a ruse. It had actually been recovered from the MI6 headquarters after Silva bombed the place, but M (Fiennes) had the details changed.

    This isn't the best idea, but EON has put forth an even more ridiculous notion that a master criminal and a super spy had once been foster brothers. This has to be undone and rebuilt to make sense, somehow, and the above explanation might be the only path.

    I'd prefer that they don't mess this up any further. Just ignore it all. Bring some key Fleming scenes back. Have Blofeld escape and end up in his castle, and his garden of death, calling himself Dr. Shatterhand. Forget the brother/sibling crap, forget trying to dig out of an already ugly hole by making it any worse. Forget it ever happened and just go back to basics. Bond on a mission, going after Blofeld. End of.

    Exactly, we don't need to spend a whole film cleaning up after Spectre. Casino Royale didn't introduce some kind of sci-fi reality warping device to explain the wonky CGI parasurfing in Die Another Day, and I think we can all agree Casino Royale is better off for it.

    It helped that CR had nothing to do with DAD or the other films, hence it's reboot title.

    Yes, it did! And it would help if B25 has nothing to do with Spectre either! ;)

    Waltz wouldn't come back if it wasn't a Craig Bond film, and this character wouldn't be cast for another era.

    People might as well prepare for disappointment, as Bond 25, if Craig is back, will continue to address what the past films have explored.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2017 Posts: 23,883
    I already have prepared myself for a bit of disappointment because I truly believe (as I say for the umpteenth time) that if it's Craig, then it's Mendes and a continuation story. Hopefully, with a decent script, they can provide enough to interest me & wipe away the SP catastrophe (which remains my most disappointing Bond theatre experience since TWINE).

    I just hope they understand what went wrong for so many fans and try to give us a half decent film this time with some tension, meaningful & witty dialogue, unpredictable action sequences, and characters who give a damn.

    Then bring on B26 with a whole new crew (yes, recast the entire Scooby crew. I'm really not that much of a fan of them)!
  • edited March 2017 Posts: 3,275
    Waltz isn't going to come back and out of nowhere play a completely different Blofeld. What sense does that make, whatsoever?

    With a new Bond and in a new continuity that would make perfect sense. Just like Judi Dench. But of course they could move on from Waltz and cast a whole new actor.
    TripAces wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Would be great if they shot DC looking more like this in the films. Does make me wish for a straightforward full on Bond mission movie. Not gonna happen tho I don't think in his tenure
    You can't with Craig. You have to finish the Spectre story

    SPECTRE should never be finished..there is no reason that Craig cant do a stand-alone film for BOND25 ,keep Blofeld on ice until BOND26....

    It's a shame but he has to finish this bull shit story arc which kind of sucks then the next actor hopefully can start clean

    The story arc can be fixed. As I posted in a different thread, there needs to be a storyline that makes the Blofeld-Bond connection more than just coincidence:

    1. Hannes Oberhauser was a Spectre agent--perhaps even a/the founding member.
    2. The Bonds were good friends to him, unaware of his ties to crime.
    3. After young James was adopted by Oberhauser, British Intelligence took a keen interest in him. In effect, they recruited and trained him, with the intent that he could be extremely useful in infiltrating Oberhauser and Spectre.
    4. But then Oberhauser, father and son, had died (presumably).
    5. Nevertheless, young Bond ended up at MI6 and eventually realized that he'd been molded by the British government, hence his line to Madeleine about the life he's living: "I never really had a choice."
    6. Somewhere between QoS and SF, M became aware that Oberhauser's son was still alive and began setting up the means by which Bond could find him, without revealing too much of MI6's role in it all.
    7. The box of items wasn't found at Skyfall. This was a ruse. It had actually been recovered from the MI6 headquarters after Silva bombed the place, but M (Fiennes) had the details changed.

    This isn't the best idea, but EON has put forth an even more ridiculous notion that a master criminal and a super spy had once been foster brothers. This has to be undone and rebuilt to make sense, somehow, and the above explanation might be the only path.

    I'd prefer that they don't mess this up any further. Just ignore it all. Bring some key Fleming scenes back. Have Blofeld escape and end up in his castle, and his garden of death, calling himself Dr. Shatterhand. Forget the brother/sibling crap, forget trying to dig out of an already ugly hole by making it any worse. Forget it ever happened and just go back to basics. Bond on a mission, going after Blofeld. End of.

    Exactly, we don't need to spend a whole film cleaning up after Spectre. Casino Royale didn't introduce some kind of sci-fi reality warping device to explain the wonky CGI parasurfing in Die Another Day, and I think we can all agree Casino Royale is better off for it.

    It helped that CR had nothing to do with DAD or the other films, hence it's reboot title.

    Yes, it did! And it would help if B25 has nothing to do with Spectre either! ;)

    Waltz wouldn't come back if it wasn't a Craig Bond film, and this character wouldn't be cast for another era.

    People might as well prepare for disappointment, as Bond 25, if Craig is back, will continue to address what the past films have explored.

    I really hope not. I'm done with this fabricated family character arc back story invented by Mendes and Craig. It has absolutely nothing to do with Fleming.

    SF was supposed to be a return to Fleming, yet other than Bond's parents names being mentioned on a grave stone, there isn't one unused scene or character taken from any of the Fleming novels. Maibaum knew how to skilfully do this in the 80's, with LTK being a prime example. That film feels like it could have been written by Fleming. SF unfortunately doesn't, and neither does SP.

    I think P&W would be able to bring back Fleming too if they were given the chance.
  • Waltz isn't going to come back and out of nowhere play a completely different Blofeld. What sense does that make, whatsoever?

    With a new Bond and in a new continuity that would make perfect sense. Just like Judi Dench. But of course they could move on from Waltz and cast a whole new actor.
    TripAces wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Would be great if they shot DC looking more like this in the films. Does make me wish for a straightforward full on Bond mission movie. Not gonna happen tho I don't think in his tenure
    You can't with Craig. You have to finish the Spectre story

    SPECTRE should never be finished..there is no reason that Craig cant do a stand-alone film for BOND25 ,keep Blofeld on ice until BOND26....

    It's a shame but he has to finish this bull shit story arc which kind of sucks then the next actor hopefully can start clean

    The story arc can be fixed. As I posted in a different thread, there needs to be a storyline that makes the Blofeld-Bond connection more than just coincidence:

    1. Hannes Oberhauser was a Spectre agent--perhaps even a/the founding member.
    2. The Bonds were good friends to him, unaware of his ties to crime.
    3. After young James was adopted by Oberhauser, British Intelligence took a keen interest in him. In effect, they recruited and trained him, with the intent that he could be extremely useful in infiltrating Oberhauser and Spectre.
    4. But then Oberhauser, father and son, had died (presumably).
    5. Nevertheless, young Bond ended up at MI6 and eventually realized that he'd been molded by the British government, hence his line to Madeleine about the life he's living: "I never really had a choice."
    6. Somewhere between QoS and SF, M became aware that Oberhauser's son was still alive and began setting up the means by which Bond could find him, without revealing too much of MI6's role in it all.
    7. The box of items wasn't found at Skyfall. This was a ruse. It had actually been recovered from the MI6 headquarters after Silva bombed the place, but M (Fiennes) had the details changed.

    This isn't the best idea, but EON has put forth an even more ridiculous notion that a master criminal and a super spy had once been foster brothers. This has to be undone and rebuilt to make sense, somehow, and the above explanation might be the only path.

    I'd prefer that they don't mess this up any further. Just ignore it all. Bring some key Fleming scenes back. Have Blofeld escape and end up in his castle, and his garden of death, calling himself Dr. Shatterhand. Forget the brother/sibling crap, forget trying to dig out of an already ugly hole by making it any worse. Forget it ever happened and just go back to basics. Bond on a mission, going after Blofeld. End of.

    Exactly, we don't need to spend a whole film cleaning up after Spectre. Casino Royale didn't introduce some kind of sci-fi reality warping device to explain the wonky CGI parasurfing in Die Another Day, and I think we can all agree Casino Royale is better off for it.

    It helped that CR had nothing to do with DAD or the other films, hence it's reboot title.

    Yes, it did! And it would help if B25 has nothing to do with Spectre either! ;)

    Waltz wouldn't come back if it wasn't a Craig Bond film, and this character wouldn't be cast for another era.

    People might as well prepare for disappointment, as Bond 25, if Craig is back, will continue to address what the past films have explored.

    You're right, I forgot Waltz mentioning he would return if Craig did.

    But they are absolutely going to continue using Blofeld beyond Craig. In fact, I fear an overuse of the character down the road. Hopefully they can restrain themselves.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    A rather open mind approach wouldn't hurt, though, as opposed to preparing oneself with excitement or disappointment. Seeing the film without any expectations would definitely give me, as I speak for myself, a better experience.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    But they are absolutely going to continue using Blofeld beyond Craig.
    That is 100% for certain. He will be recast and they will bring him back. As I said before, his meaningfulness for Bond has been retold (parallel universe style) for the reboot era (killing M, Vesper, Mathis etc. in lieu of Tracy).
  • RC7RC7
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    Blofeld ends with Craig. They'll rest him beyond that; resurrect him further down the line. No one gives a shit about him outside the fanbase.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    But they are absolutely going to continue using Blofeld beyond Craig.
    That is 100% for certain. He will be recast and they will bring him back. As I said before, his meaningfulness for Bond has been retold (parallel universe style) for the reboot era (killing M, Vesper, Mathis etc. in lieu of Tracy).
    You hit the nail on the head
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    To me, all of the following worked perfectly:

    1. Waltz cast as Blofeld
    2. The re-imaging of the Spectre meeting
    3. Spectre's role in planning and then profiting from terrorism
    4. The lair in Morocco (though the exposed gas pipes were all too convenient)
    5. Bond's discovery of Spectre
    6. Hinx as a henchman

    What was a disaster (and all of this was unnecessary and frickin' avoidable!!!!):
    1. The damn brotherly relationship
    2. The connection to Quantum and Silva and Blofeld's supposed "authorship" of Bond's pain
    3. Mr. White's presence (while pretty cool, it was mismanaged)

    The basic framework of SP was pretty good. I liked Bond's journey. But that damn brotherly thing sticks like a craw in my side, and the final act, in London, is dreadful and unsatisfying as can be.

    OK.

    carry on.



  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    vzok wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Would be great if they shot DC looking more like this in the films. Does make me wish for a straightforward full on Bond mission movie. Not gonna happen tho I don't think in his tenure
    You can't with Craig. You have to finish the Spectre story

    SPECTRE should never be finished..there is no reason that Craig cant do a stand-alone film for BOND25 ,keep Blofeld on ice until BOND26....

    It's a shame but he has to finish this bull shit story arc which kind of sucks then the next actor hopefully can start clean

    The story arc can be fixed. As I posted in a different thread, there needs to be a storyline that makes the Blofeld-Bond connection more than just coincidence:

    1. Hannes Oberhauser was a Spectre agent--perhaps even a/the founding member.
    2. The Bonds were good friends to him, unaware of his ties to crime.
    3. After young James was adopted by Oberhauser, British Intelligence took a keen interest in him. In effect, they recruited and trained him, with the intent that he could be extremely useful in infiltrating Oberhauser and Spectre.
    4. But then Oberhauser, father and son, had died (presumably).
    5. Nevertheless, young Bond ended up at MI6 and eventually realized that he'd been molded by the British government, hence his line to Madeleine about the life he's living: "I never really had a choice."
    6. Somewhere between QoS and SF, M became aware that Oberhauser's son was still alive and began setting up the means by which Bond could find him, without revealing too much of MI6's role in it all.
    7. The box of items wasn't found at Skyfall. This was a ruse. It had actually been recovered from the MI6 headquarters after Silva bombed the place, but M (Fiennes) had the details changed.

    This isn't the best idea, but EON has put forth an even more ridiculous notion that a master criminal and a super spy had once been foster brothers. This has to be undone and rebuilt to make sense, somehow, and the above explanation might be the only path.

    I'd prefer that they don't mess this up any further. Just ignore it all. Bring some key Fleming scenes back. Have Blofeld escape and end up in his castle, and his garden of death, calling himself Dr. Shatterhand. Forget the brother/sibling crap, forget trying to dig out of an already ugly hole by making it any worse. Forget it ever happened and just go back to basics. Bond on a mission, going after Blofeld. End of.

    and killing Blofeld?

    That's a good idea, kill him and clean up this arc, reboot it with the next actor
  • TripAces wrote: »
    To me, all of the following worked perfectly:

    1. Waltz cast as Blofeld
    2. The re-imaging of the Spectre meeting
    3. Spectre's role in planning and then profiting from terrorism
    4. The lair in Morocco (though the exposed gas pipes were all too convenient)
    5. Bond's discovery of Spectre
    6. Hinx as a henchman

    What was a disaster (and all of this was unnecessary and frickin' avoidable!!!!):
    1. The damn brotherly relationship
    2. The connection to Quantum and Silva and Blofeld's supposed "authorship" of Bond's pain
    3. Mr. White's presence (while pretty cool, it was mismanaged)

    The basic framework of SP was pretty good. I liked Bond's journey. But that damn brotherly thing sticks like a craw in my side, and the final act, in London, is dreadful and unsatisfying as can be.

    OK.

    carry on.

    I don't mind Spectre being behind Quantum, since the connection is pretty easily made. What rubbed me the wrong way was incorporating Silva, who absolutely should have been Craig's Goldfinger, and the hamfisted Nine Eyes plot, which added so much time, had the worst resolution ever, and was a blatant ripoff of The Winter Soldier.
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    Silva should have been left out, I agree. I still think it would have been better if Oberhauser played Vespers Interrogation tape, that was a reason for Bond to get angry. The tape of Whites suicide wasnt.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    A rather open mind approach wouldn't hurt, though, as opposed to preparing oneself with excitement or disappointment. Seeing the film without any expectations would definitely give me, as I speak for myself, a better experience.

    Anything seems better when you don't give a damn about it in the first place. Not exactly a compliment to whatever you've just seen.
    RC7 wrote: »
    Blofeld ends with Craig. They'll rest him beyond that; resurrect him further down the line. No one gives a shit about him outside the fanbase.

    Nail on the head, @RC7. It was clear that Quantum was a fill-in SPECTRE for the modern era, then when the rights were gotten there was clear room to fill in Blofeld and the old organization in a way that made sense given what we knew to transpire in the films. I think it was a treat to Dan from EON, them saying, "You've done amazing for us, have SPECTRE."

    I think Bond 25, with Craig, would explosively go out with Blofeld and the organization, and close off the era with that ultimate climax wrapped up. Then the villain would be put to rest, certainly for the next actor such that Bond #7 would only face standalone villains on standalone villains. It makes no sense for EON to bring Blofeld back in another continuity for the next actor to come right after he'd already appeared, as he's already stale and should've stayed in the 60s anyway. They haven't found a way to make Blofeld truly feel like Bond's Moriarty, not even in OHMSS, which is as good as we're probably going to ever get.

    Here is how I see the next era after Craig, in regard to the villains:

    There will likely be a return to the "old" template where Bond is doing some uninvolved activity before being summoned to action, or the PTS finds him on the case of some lead. He will them go back to MI6 and meet with M, after which he'll be given a standalone mission with a standalone villain most of the time, if not all the time.

    With this model, there will be no heavy continuity, and each threat in each film will be independent of the rest in order to make the next era feel different from Craig's. In the same token, there will be no overarching organization for Bond to face for the same reason, as this era has pilfered those creative depths and made it necessary to retire characters like Blofeld and the organization of SPECTRE for a long time, if not forever.

    I understand that this approach is what most people want anyway, and I think EON will answer that call, not only because of demand but because they know they have to do something different than the past decade or so. I think the result will be as described above, which would essentially take the 60s template of structuring the plots, mesh that with the unconnected villainy of the 70s and 80s, and restrain the formula as in the Craig era to fit modern sensibilities to make the adventures less "tropey" and more natural in their wit, fun and overall spirit.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    Getafix wrote: »
    He's too old to be sporting those ridiculous crew cuts. No man his age has a hair cut like that unless they're mentally deficient. Send him to a proper gentlemen's barbers. And get him a properly fitted suit while you're at it.

    He easily has two more films in him but they need to show him off to his best and dress him properly. He did look better in SP I suppose but still a bit too much like an army recruit.
    I'd love to see your body, hair and suit as well?

    :)>-
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    SF was supposed to be a return to Fleming, yet other than Bond's parents names being mentioned on a grave stone, there isn't one unused scene or character taken from any of the Fleming novels. Maibaum knew how to skilfully do this in the 80's, with LTK being a prime example. That film feels like it could have been written by Fleming. SF unfortunately doesn't, and neither does SP.
    Although SF doesn't borrow scenes directly from Fleming, it does borrow some elements from YOLT (Bond's washed up, sent on an "impossible" mission, and he appears to die) and TMWTGG (the William Tell game is similar to Bond shooting a decorative pineapple off a dancer's head). Patrice shooting someone through two panes of glass is also similar to one of Bond's first kills as described in CR.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Tuck91 wrote: »
    Silva should have been left out, I agree. I still think it would have been better if Oberhauser played Vespers Interrogation tape, that was a reason for Bond to get angry. The tape of Whites suicide wasnt.

    The tape viewing was for Madeleine, not Bond.
    TripAces wrote: »
    To me, all of the following worked perfectly:

    1. Waltz cast as Blofeld
    2. The re-imaging of the Spectre meeting
    3. Spectre's role in planning and then profiting from terrorism
    4. The lair in Morocco (though the exposed gas pipes were all too convenient)
    5. Bond's discovery of Spectre
    6. Hinx as a henchman

    What was a disaster (and all of this was unnecessary and frickin' avoidable!!!!):
    1. The damn brotherly relationship
    2. The connection to Quantum and Silva and Blofeld's supposed "authorship" of Bond's pain
    3. Mr. White's presence (while pretty cool, it was mismanaged)

    The basic framework of SP was pretty good. I liked Bond's journey. But that damn brotherly thing sticks like a craw in my side, and the final act, in London, is dreadful and unsatisfying as can be.

    OK.

    carry on.

    I don't mind Spectre being behind Quantum, since the connection is pretty easily made. What rubbed me the wrong way was incorporating Silva, who absolutely should have been Craig's Goldfinger, and the hamfisted Nine Eyes plot, which added so much time, had the worst resolution ever, and was a blatant ripoff of The Winter Soldier.

    The schemes of The Winter Soldier and SP are not one and the same.
    Getafix wrote: »
    He's too old to be sporting those ridiculous crew cuts. No man his age has a hair cut like that unless they're mentally deficient. Send him to a proper gentlemen's barbers. And get him a properly fitted suit while you're at it.

    He easily has two more films in him but they need to show him off to his best and dress him properly. He did look better in SP I suppose but still a bit too much like an army recruit.
    I'd love to see your body, hair and suit as well?

    :)>-

    To be fair, it's been a very conscious decision to make Craig's Bond a military man. How he carries himself, wears his hair, even how he runs is very military in style.

    I don't get the harping on the suits. They can be tighter than we're used to seeing, but I have never minded it. A suit can look just as bad if it's too loose, and we've had that in Bond before. Sean's suits are the only ones were there was consistent style before Craig, and even by YOLT that consistency was dying. George's suits were tainted by the coming 70s sensibilities of loud colors and closer fits with wacky stylings, Roger's overuse of double-breasted suits and loose elevator pants made Bond look like an aristocratic diplomat instead of a spy, Tim's Bond looked like he dressed off the rack in loose items and Brosnan far too often was dressed like a car salesman or low-end corporate leader.

    Dan's suits have hit a better sweet spot I think than any since Connery's. His CR suits were fine and dignified, his QoS suits were the best in color and tailoring since the 60s by far, and SF and SP's suits, while sometimes closer to the chest, were beautifully made and color fit to Craig in a way that no other tailors seemed to bother with from the 70s to the 2000s. Where the tailoring dips, the overall function and presentation balances it. It also helps that the style of today is more geared to the 60s than the wild 70s, dull 80s and pattern ties of the 90s.
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    I don't mind Spectre being behind Quantum, since the connection is pretty easily made.

    While it was fine to have Spectre behind Quantum, it would've been much more interesting to have Spectre and Quantum be rival organizations, with the former overtaking the latter. Also, it would've set up Blofeld and Spectre as more formidable foes. The sibling story wouldn't have worked as well in that case, but since it barely matters in the film, it could've just been removed. I'm just intrigued by the idea of rival criminal organizations duking it out, with intelligence services caught in the middle of their activities. It reminds me a bit of an earlier draft of The Spy Who Loved Me, which would've seen Blofeld and his people removed from power and Spectre overtaken by a new generation of villains.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    if they had gotten their act together like they should have we would have gotten bond 25s teaser trailer around now
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    I don't mind Spectre being behind Quantum, since the connection is pretty easily made.

    While it was fine to have Spectre behind Quantum, it would've been much more interesting to have Spectre and Quantum be rival organizations, with the former overtaking the latter. Also, it would've set up Blofeld and Spectre as more formidable foes. The sibling story wouldn't have worked as well in that case, but since it barely matters in the film, it could've just been removed. I'm just intrigued by the idea of rival criminal organizations duking it out, with intelligence services caught in the middle of their activities. It reminds me a bit of an earlier draft of The Spy Who Loved Me, which would've seen Blofeld and his people removed from power and Spectre overtaken by a new generation of villains.

    I thought that as well, but with Quantum falling out, leaving Spectre to take over all their biddings. This would have made White a very "useful" pawn, whose death was brought on due to a lack of cooperation.
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Blofeld ends with Craig. They'll rest him beyond that; resurrect him further down the line. No one gives a shit about him outside the fanbase.

    Yes I agree.its clear that the very fact they've brought him back at all is causing them headaches. In the past there was minimal to zero continuity between films. Now with this lame story arc they've box d themselves totally unnecessarily into a corner. They'll be keen to avoid doing that again in the future I imagine.

    But if Craig comes back they have little choice but to continue down this rather uninteresting avenue
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