The Fast and the Furious (2001 - present)

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    Then, CGI Paul Walker, as I was speculating, will be coming back for the last one. I'm guessing his wife will be kidnapped at the end of the ninth film, paving the way in for him to come back in the last one in search for Jordana's character.

    Are they going to be able to sustain that through a whole new film?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    vzok wrote: »
    Then, CGI Paul Walker, as I was speculating, will be coming back for the last one. I'm guessing his wife will be kidnapped at the end of the ninth film, paving the way in for him to come back in the last one in search for Jordana's character.

    Are they going to be able to sustain that through a whole new film?
    They might. In the seventh film, there were some scenes where body doubles (both the Walker brothers) were used for Paul Walker, his face was taken time to thoroughly adapt and give a realistic look. I would've never noticed. We're four years away from the last F&F film, so I'm guessing they're working on that counterpart. Both the Walker brothers stated that the Brian O'Connor character will return in the future.

  • Fair enough with 7 because they had to address it somehow, they handled it well and gave him a nice ending. But it feels a bit wrong to bring him back again when the actor has been dead for a few years. The poor guy died, can't they just leave the memory of him instead of CGing his face onto his brothers body to add a bit more money to what's still a huge cash cow without him. It's a bit sketchy if they do that imo.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    That's what sells today, I'm afraid. If it was up to me, I'd leave the O'Connor family out of it since they retired nice and easy, and settled by the seaside for a happily ever after.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Justin Lin is confirmed to return for the next installment, with Jordana Brewster also returning:

    http://www.slashfilm.com/justin-lin-may-return-as-fast-and-furious-9-director/

    Well.......I am all in for a return of Sam Mendes doing his style of Bond films over this godforsaken CGI-porn that the "Furious"-franchise nowadays is. Justin Lin? My God....that must be the prime example of how you want a "Die Another Day 2.0" if you hire him for Bond.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Thankfully this is a Fast and Furious thread and has absolutely nothing to do with Bond. He's delivered some incredibly entertaining installments in the series, and I (as I'm sure many others do) look forward to his return.

    Same can't be said for Brewster, which only hints at a return for Paul Walker's character. He had an incredible send-off in his final appearance, they should simply leave it there and not tarnish it.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Justin Lin is confirmed to return for the next installment, with Jordana Brewster also returning:

    http://www.slashfilm.com/justin-lin-may-return-as-fast-and-furious-9-director/

    Well.......I am all in for a return of Sam Mendes doing his style of Bond films over this godforsaken CGI-porn that the "Furious"-franchise nowadays is. Justin Lin? My God....that must be the prime example of how you want a "Die Another Day 2.0" if you hire him for Bond.

    Didn't Justin Lin direct Fast 5 and Furious 6?
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    No, but if you read closely, you also know I said that I think "Furious 8" was a godawful, dreadful film. You know, you are often criticising CGI. But come on @Creasy47. Let's stay critical then :-). I just.....think "Furious 8" was the "Die Another Day" of its kind.

    And what's wrong with comparing? Dozens of fans here areposting in the "Kingsman" thread comparisons with Bond. This IS a Bond forums, so even this franchise at times hascertain Bond-ish elements. Or what about comparing it with "Mission: Impossible". It's a buddies film, like "M:I", but then more street. Nothing wrong with comparing :-).

    I am curious though what you thought of "Furious 8".....
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Obviously the series isn't for you, GG. Why bother detracting it repeatedly?
  • edited October 2017 Posts: 11,119
    Obviously the series isn't for you, GG. Why bother detracting it repeatedly?

    Wrong. Because I really liked "Furious 5" and "Furious 6". So you are assuming too easily that I 'dislike' the entire franchise. Or are we now petting this franchise so much that we can't be critical about it :-)?

    I honestly think Paul Walker is missed. He and Vin Diesel had wonderful Chemistry. They were like the more 'street' version of "Starsky & Hutch" or "The Persuaders". Two very different persons....leading into great storylines.

    Now it's just....well.....you saw it with "Furious 8". Then again, sometimes even bad stuff can gross more than 1.2 Billion.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I am, and if you made note of my comments in the past, you'll see that I found Furious 8 to be the weakest of the last four or five installments for that particular reason alone. So we're in agreement there.

    I don't compare it to Bond because I don't see them as remotely similar films, past being members of the action genre. One is a "family"-oriented, OTT series that heavily focuses on vehicular action/warfare, and the other is a spy thriller/action series. Thus, it's much easier to compare Bond to the likes of Mission: Impossible and Kingsman.

    But yes, as others said, it's obvious that the series isn't for you (or at least the eighth film). Have you seen previous installments? If the most recent one was too akin to DAD for you, then you just might enjoy the fifth one.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I'll be honest with you, mate. 90% of the time you post something in this thread, it's always about hating the franchise. You mention that you love 5 and 6 in half a sentence, and that's about it. The other times you're only complaining about the "CGI Porn". Well, sure it really is a mindless CGI Porn, that's what the franchise is about. You either love it or hate it.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Then I retract my previous statement, as he did love the fifth.

    Don't get me wrong, I still heavily enjoyed the eighth installment, but it just became a little too CGI-laden in some aspects (the finale, but mainly the bit with the hacked cars in New York City). Same issue I had with the finale of the seventh one.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I wasn't referring to you, Creasy. Lol!
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited October 2017 Posts: 15,696
    Why should we allow certain members of being critical of DAD, F&F or Kingsman when they are the same members who shoot down any criticism towards Mendes, Newman, SF, SP and the upcoming Bond 25? If being critical of Mendes and SF/SP is so annoying for some, don't you think being constantly negative in other threads annoying for us too?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I wasn't referring to you, Creasy. Lol!

    Oh I know! I was referring to me suggesting he watch the fifth, but since he already had (and enjoyed it), my work here is done.

    I just wanted it to be known I didn't flat-out hate the eighth. Quite enjoyed it, actually.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Fast and Furious films are daft escapism I enjoy certainly the more recent ones, FF films don't try to be anything other than they are.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Fast and Furious films are daft escapism I enjoy certainly the more recent ones, FF films don't try to be anything other than they are.

    Exactly. It's what I love about them. Hell, I even forgave a lot of the CGI in the latest Kingsman installment because it was nothing but over the top fun. Didn't take itself too seriously, and didn't try to deliver anything but a fun time.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Fast and Furious films are daft escapism I enjoy certainly the more recent ones, FF films don't try to be anything other than they are.

    Exactly. It's what I love about them. Hell, I even forgave a lot of the CGI in the latest Kingsman installment because it was nothing but over the top fun. Didn't take itself too seriously, and didn't try to deliver anything but a fun time.
    Exactly. Thank you!
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Fast and Furious films are daft escapism I enjoy certainly the more recent ones, FF films don't try to be anything other than they are.

    Exactly. It's what I love about them. Hell, I even forgave a lot of the CGI in the latest Kingsman installment because it was nothing but over the top fun. Didn't take itself too seriously, and didn't try to deliver anything but a fun time.

    I know the Transformer films are bad though I know what I am getting and enjoy them, the FF films are similar popcorn films they are not aiming for Oscars, plus over the top crazy CGI can be fun.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    But yes, as others said, it's obvious that the series isn't for you (or at least the eighth film). Have you seen previous installments? If the most recent one was too akin to DAD for you, then you just might enjoy the fifth one.

    I have seen all of them. I binge-watched them last year within a few weeks. I wasn't too keen about the first four. From those I found "2 Fast 2 Furious" the nicest. Great locations around Miami too. "5" then was truly a step up. That one showed it could be much more than just racing. I can't choose which one I like more: "5" or "6".

    I like Tyrese Gibson a lot actually. And, I love his love for James Bond hehe.

    "Furious 7" was a lovely send-off to be honest. I liked it too. But not as good as "5" and "6". "Furious 8" was pretty nasty CGI-porn to me. That was one to forget.


    The thing to me though............I find it pretty much ridiculous how much we are dissecting Bond, criticising to death if I may say so, for its use of CGI. Especially with "Skyfall" and "SPECTRE". But then with "Furious 8" we don't mind it? Come on.

    Ooowh, and I do think the "Furious"-franchise has some things in common with Bond. It's also an action franchise, in which the CIA as of late is involved. The CIA is using this rogue band of car racers to save the country from, almost Bond-ish, villains. That was especially the case with the female version of 'Silva' in "Furious 8", which was played in a lame way by Charlize Theron (who actually was terrific in "Atomic Blonde"). She's not very convincing as a bad girl if you ask me.

    Then there's the zest for luxury cars. Or a great "Mission: Impossible"-esque party in "Furious 7" in Abu Dhabi. Come on...even "Furious" is copying from Bond. It's just doing it in a more 'street' way, that apparently big audiences love these days (Bond's wandering within a casino by comparison looks more and more....like an intellectual left-ist party).


    So here you go. I appreciate the "Furious"-franchise. I liked some of the films. But I'm not a fan of it. I wonder....if there are actually "Furious Fans" :-).
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Allow me to be blunt, and say that over two thirds of the Oscar films are unwatchable. That's been the case for 25 years at least.
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    Allow me to be blunt, and say that over two thirds of the Oscar films are unwatchable. That's been the case for 25 years at least.

    Ooowh :-). Please specify.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I mean the Furious series is making much more money these days than Bond is, so there's definitely a large fan base for this.

    And it's not like Bond is the absolute zenith of originality these days. Some franchises steal from Bond, and Bond steals from some franchises. It happens.

    Plus, the series incorporated luxury cars wayyyy before that party sequence from Ghost Protocol. But again, just harks back to them utilizing a popular locale after it was made famous by the fourth M:I installment. Hell, look at how often London (and nighttime London, at that) has featured in action fare lately.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Allow me to be blunt, and say that over two thirds of the Oscar films are unwatchable. That's been the case for 25 years at least.

    Ooowh :-). Please specify.
    Mostly, films that get nominated for or receive Academy Awards are hardly films that the mainstream audience gives a monkey about. They're mainly drama tragedies or some slow-paced art films only critics perhaps care about or deep-center cinephiles. Since the late 90s, I hardly found a film that won an Oscar that's watchable. They're all boring with little to no flavour in them. Oscars haven't been exciting for a long while. There's no film you'd root for the way you root for a sports team, for example. That has been the case once, but not anymore.
  • Posts: 11,119
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I mean the Furious series is making much more money these days than Bond is, so there's definitely a large fan base for this.

    And it's not like Bond is the absolute zenith of originality these days. Some franchises steal from Bond, and Bond steals from some franchises. It happens.

    Plus, the series incorporated luxury cars wayyyy before that party sequence from Ghost Protocol.

    Imam honored...truly honored! That Bond is inspiring so many franchises these days! I love it actually. From "Mission: Impossible" to "Kingsman". From "The Man From UNCLE" to "Jason Bourne". From "The Furious"-franchise to "Archer".

    The thing however is, that when those younger, newer franchises 'steal' from Bond it's considered OK. Or at times people suddenly see in "Kingsman" or "Furious" the kind of Bond film that they want to see! But when Bond is doing that...getting inspired by let's say "The Dark Knight" than it's considered lacklustre and unoriginal. Especially by some die-hard Bond fans. I find that grotesque really. And unfair too. Bond is 55 years old, so by default it's going to 'suffer' from unoriginality.

    Perhaps we sometimes should treat Bond a tiny bit...nicer? And criticisng those non-Bond franchises that get inspired by Bond...a bit more? They need to prove much more than Bond did.

    Having said all that.........I think it was wonderful that "Skyfall" was an insane box office hit. But look at "Blade Runner 2049". Most of us loved it no?? A critically acclaimed sci-fi flick. But it flopped. To be honest...I prefer that more than the other way around: A shit film making billions.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    There is a difference between stealing and paying homage @Gustav_Graves
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    vzok wrote: »
    Then, CGI Paul Walker, as I was speculating, will be coming back for the last one. I'm guessing his wife will be kidnapped at the end of the ninth film, paving the way in for him to come back in the last one in search for Jordana's character.

    Are they going to be able to sustain that through a whole new film?
    They might. In the seventh film, there were some scenes where body doubles (both the Walker brothers) were used for Paul Walker, his face was taken time to thoroughly adapt and give a realistic look. I would've never noticed. We're four years away from the last F&F film, so I'm guessing they're working on that counterpart. Both the Walker brothers stated that the Brian O'Connor character will return in the future.


    Now THIS is an example of CGI I love. CGI to enhance character development, to enhance the plot.....

    It's how they recreated Rachael as well. Sadly....it's mostly that. I truly disliked the 'rain of cars' from a New York skycraper.
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    There is a difference between stealing and paying homage @Gustav_Graves

    And even that difference is actually very hard to distinguish at times. What's homage to some, can be seen as 'stealing' by others.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    There is a difference between stealing and paying homage @Gustav_Graves

    And even that difference is actually very hard to distinguish at times. What's homage to some, can be seen as 'stealing' by others.

    I have not seen the sequel though I felt the first Kingsman film was paying homage to Bond.
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