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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    I wonder how much of a fuss the Heineken deal will kick up this time? Can't wait!

    It'll be re-confirmed that Bond will definitely never, ever, ever drink a martini (or anything not Heineken) ever, ever again. Ever.

    You must be joking. Please, tell me you are joking?! Bond eternally drinking a beer over a martini? Seriously?! At this point Bond 24 might as well include scenes where Bond burns Bibles, slaps around a brothel full of women and kicks the babies populating a nursery room directly in the face. The level of audacity it must require to entertain this level of blasphemy is beyond me. Damn them all for it. Damn EON, damn Mendes and may Craig, Fiennes, Harris, Whishaw and the whole lot of them burn in a seething flame of sin for this! I hereby proclaim that all true Bond fans boycott Bond 24, a film of the cruelest, most malicious intentions.
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    This has nothing to do with anything, but a general question: do we have a discussion dedicated solely to plot holes?

    Yes, I think we should move this one somewhere else than here.
  • Creasy47 wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    I wonder how much of a fuss the Heineken deal will kick up this time? Can't wait!

    It'll be re-confirmed that Bond will definitely never, ever, ever drink a martini (or anything not Heineken) ever, ever again. Ever.

    You must be joking. Please, tell me you are joking?! Bond eternally drinking a beer over a martini? Seriously?! At this point Bond 24 might as well include scenes where Bond burns Bibles, slaps around a brothel full of women and kicks the babies populating a nursery room directly in the face. The level of audacity it must require to entertain this level of blasphemy is beyond me. Damn them all for it. Damn EON, damn Mendes and may Craig, Fiennes, Harris, Whishaw and the whole lot of them burn in a seething flame of sin for this! I hereby proclaim that all true Bond fans boycott Bond 24, a film of the cruelest, most malicious intentions.

    Hey, now, slapping women is in the finest tradition of James Bond. Shir Sean ish dishappointed in you.
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    I wonder how much of a fuss the Heineken deal will kick up this time? Can't wait!

    It'll be re-confirmed that Bond will definitely never, ever, ever drink a martini (or anything not Heineken) ever, ever again. Ever.

    You must be joking. Please, tell me you are joking?! Bond eternally drinking a beer over a martini? Seriously?! At this point Bond 24 might as well include scenes where Bond burns Bibles, slaps around a brothel full of women and kicks the babies populating a nursery room directly in the face. The level of audacity it must require to entertain this level of blasphemy is beyond me. Damn them all for it. Damn EON, damn Mendes and may Craig, Fiennes, Harris, Whishaw and the whole lot of them burn in a seething flame of sin for this! I hereby proclaim that all true Bond fans boycott Bond 24, a film of the cruelest, most malicious intentions.

    As long as anyone who orders a Heineken doesn't actually say "Heineken" then it will be fine. I hated how Michael Douglas said it at the restaurant in Wall Street 2.

    Good that the Heineken controversy has been brought up again. Time to have some fun again! ;)

    Damn, wouldn't that be something, Bond not drinking Martinis or any other spirits any more! LOL.

    You know, back on the subject of the humour and one liners in SF, I felt that the "do hope that wasn't for me" line was the worst. Maybe not so much due to the dialogue but mostly the way Craig delivers the line which I don't think is done very well. Well, it is cheesy too.

    In terms of "I always hated this place", yes, it's not really something someone would stop and say in such a tense, dangerous moment. This incident is in the same vein as Bond adjusting his cuff after having just jumped on the train but I suppose most will disagree with me on this for some reason.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Yes, I don't understand people fussing over Heineken like it's going to take over as Bond's #1 drink. Sure, we see him drink it on two occasions, but throughout the film he also drinks tequila (scorpion drinking game), a martini (casino), Macallan whisky (Silva's island; possibly at the beach bar and M's apartment) and he more than likely drinks some Bollinger champagne with Severine while aboard the Chimera.

    As a side note, M and Mallory can be seen drinking Courvoisier VSOP cognac. SF could perhaps be the film featuring the most variety of alcohol consumed.
  • edited December 2013 Posts: 2,598
    "As a side note, M and Mallory can be seen drinking Courvoisier VSOP cognac. SF could perhaps be the film featuring the most variety of alcohol consumed."

    @QBranch Another reason to like Skyfall!
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I'll drink to that!
  • edited December 2013 Posts: 4,405
    Bond's drinking was something that I've always loved about the Fleming's stories. I think Bond's alcoholism and also his misogyny make him more interesting character opposed to the regular cookie-cutter-silent-heroic-leading-men that are a dime a dozen these days.

    If anything I wanted to see more of Bond drinking in SF. When Silva says that Bond's psychological evaluation revealed him to be a possible alcoholic I felt that we needed to maybe see him drinking a bit more to justify that claim. Show me don't tell me. However, it's a brave move to have the lead in your $100+ action movie have an acknowledged drink problem so I applaud Mendes for that. Interestingly Iron Man's alter-ego Tony Stark is also an alcoholic and that particular film franchise has consistently ran away from this notion likely because alcoholism isn't a rather commercial notion.

    Here are some moments in SF of Bond guzzling some booze:
    http://screenmusings.org/Skyfall/pages/skyfall-0234.htm
    http://screenmusings.org/Skyfall/pages/skyfall-0249.htm
    http://screenmusings.org/Skyfall/pages/skyfall-0263.htm
    http://screenmusings.org/Skyfall/pages/skyfall-0274.htm
    http://screenmusings.org/Skyfall/pages/skyfall-0339.htm
    http://screenmusings.org/Skyfall/pages/skyfall-0595.htm
    http://screenmusings.org/Skyfall/pages/skyfall-0808.htm

    More of this in Bond 24! Interestingly DC's Bond does a lot more drinking than the other 007s. We see Bond after 6 martinis in QOS and though a little worse for wear he isn't in too bad a shape.
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    Bond's drinking was something that I've always loved about the Fleming's stories. I think Bond's alcoholism and also his misogyny make him more interesting character opposed to the regular cookie-cutter-silent-heroic-leading-men that are a dime a dozen these days.

    If anything I wanted to see more of Bond drinking in SF. When Silva says that Bond's psychological evaluation revealed him to be a possible alcoholic I felt that we needed to maybe see him drinking a bit more to justify that claim. Show me don't tell me. However, it's a brave move to have the lead in your $100+ action movie have an acknowledged drink problem so I applaud Mendes for that. Interestingly Iron Man's alter-ego Tony Stark is also an alcoholic and that particular film franchise has consistently ran away from this notion likely because alcoholism isn't a rather commercial notion.

    Here are some moments in SF of Bond guzzling some booze:
    http://screenmusings.org/Skyfall/pages/skyfall-0234.htm
    http://screenmusings.org/Skyfall/pages/skyfall-0249.htm
    http://screenmusings.org/Skyfall/pages/skyfall-0263.htm
    http://screenmusings.org/Skyfall/pages/skyfall-0274.htm
    http://screenmusings.org/Skyfall/pages/skyfall-0339.htm
    http://screenmusings.org/Skyfall/pages/skyfall-0595.htm
    http://screenmusings.org/Skyfall/pages/skyfall-0808.htm

    More of this in Bond 24! Interestingly DC's Bond does a lot more drinking than the other 007s. We see Bond after 6 martinis in QOS and though a little worse for wear he isn't in too bad a shape.

    True, true. I'm glad they've finally decided to show more of Bond's character which is a flawed one at that. Good that they finally grew some balls. Yes, a bit more drinking would have been good. What I really would have liked to have seen were more of those wonderful scenes at the beginning when Bond is depressed and drinking at the beach. It's a pity they were so damn short. These scenes were my favourite parts of the film. They wonderfully reflected the scenes from the Fleming books when Bond is depressed because he thinks M has forgotten about him.

    Does Tony Stark have anxiety problems in the comics too? It was good seeing this side of him in the 3rd instalment.
  • Bradford4Bradford4 Banned
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    We learn in Skyfall that Bond is addicted to pain medication and alcohol. He's a tortured and grizzled lost soul. Why not expand of that? Perhaps in the PTS he wrecks his car drunk driving, or takes the life of an innocent pedestrian. Bond's quest for redemption.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    Bradford4 wrote:
    Perhaps in the PTS he wrecks his car drunk driving, or takes the life of an innocent pedestrian. Bond's quest for redemption.
    It's one thing to be a tortured soul but I think you're going to lose a big chunk of the audience if Bond kills someone while drunk driving. Why even go there?
  • Bradford4Bradford4 Banned
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    Because it is only when you hit rock bottom that you can reach your most soaring heights... this would be gangbusters for Bond. Throw his greatest threat ever at him while he is at his lowest... QUANTUM with its leader Ernst Stavro Blofeld. We all root for the underdog.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    They mention Bond's problems with the drink and pills in Skyfall, but they never really do anything with that, so much so that you forget he even has those addictions. I'd love to see it utilized effectively in the future instead of being briefly mentioned and then not given any service later.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
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    There is much more to see in CR/QOS and Skyfall, but sometimes one part of people see things whyle other parts take longer. I think the anser hide in that we see it as normal Bond drinking.

    I see this as more and more people discover what Eon is doing. Personaly i think there take drinking as example because moost people know why people smoke and when DC leave people stop smoking, but stil drinking normal way. So that's why i hope next step be Bond going to smoke again to vergot his problems. Next step be gamble of course and for count the same as drinking.

    Of course there must have a reasen for Shaken Not Stirred and Bond falling in the hands of Quantum.
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    "Filming Begins October 2014"

    :( I can't wait for 11 months :'(
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    dragonsky wrote:
    "Filming Begins October 2014"

    :( I can't wait for 11 months :'(

    We waited 4 years for Skyfall. Hang in there, you'll be fine.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Bradford4 wrote:
    We learn in Skyfall that Bond is addicted to pain medication and alcohol. He's a tortured and grizzled lost soul. Why not expand of that? Perhaps in the PTS he wrecks his car drunk driving, or takes the life of an innocent pedestrian. Bond's quest for redemption.

    Um, no.
  • Ludovico wrote:
    Have you seen Amadeus?

    Nah, I've only been to the theatre once because this girl I liked wanted to go and I didn't enjoy it. Peep Show summed it up best


    Erm, he's talking about the 1984 film AMEDEUS, starring Tom Hulce and F. Murray Abraham.

    I agree though, Patrice is bland character, due to him being written as a ghost - nothing more than a plot mechanism. An example of a Bond film chock full of colourful minor characters, see DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER. FFS, even the heavy with the sideburns is a more memorable character than Patrice.
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    I don't think SF has anything to envy from DAF.
  • Ludovico wrote:
    I don't think SF has anything to envy from DAF.

    The score is much better, and I don't think Skyfall has a fight as good as Bond vs. Franks, not to mention the minor characters and henchmen, as @minorMajor9th covered. Other than that, it's Skyfall all the way.
  • edited December 2013 Posts: 2,598
    Bradford4 wrote:
    We learn in Skyfall that Bond is addicted to pain medication and alcohol. He's a tortured and grizzled lost soul. Why not expand of that? Perhaps in the PTS he wrecks his car drunk driving, or takes the life of an innocent pedestrian. Bond's quest for redemption.

    Don't take me the wrong way, I'm not laughing at you but your post made me laugh. It would probably be taking the outcomes of his alcoholism a bit far but it's an amusing idea all the same. ;) I have a black sense of humour. I see what you're getting at though and I do think they need to expand on Bond's follies but in a less drastic fashion. I really wish that these wonderful scenes in SF when Bond was brooding on the beach had have been longer.
  • Bounine wrote:
    Bradford4 wrote:
    We learn in Skyfall that Bond is addicted to pain medication and alcohol. He's a tortured and grizzled lost soul. Why not expand of that? Perhaps in the PTS he wrecks his car drunk driving, or takes the life of an innocent pedestrian. Bond's quest for redemption.

    Don't take me the wrong way, I'm not laughing at you but your post made me laugh. It would probably be taking the outcomes of his alcoholism a bit far but it's an amusing idea all the same. ;) I have a black sense of humour. I see what you're getting at though and I do think they need to expand on Bond's follies but in a less drastic fashion. I really wish that these wonderful scenes in SF when Bond was brooding on the beach had have been longer.

    I can see where your coming from but I'm not entirely convinced with the idea. I don't think Bond should kill an innocent person because he's drunk behind the wheel. It would make the film far less a 'Bond adventure' and more an arthouse-indie affair. Bond movies are still meant to be thrilling and exciting and they shouldn't be totally introverted and psychological. Bond is at it's best when these two ideas are bought together and I think CR and SF have really demonstrated this.

    I actually think it was a good decision of Mendes to get Bond off the beach as quickly as possible. The movie was about half-an-hour in when he gets back to London and it's not like he gets his mojo back immediately. I for one much preferred seeing the out-of-shape 007 back at mi6 opposed to sitting brooding alone in Turkey somewhere.

    There is two scenes I'd love to see from Fleming's books regarding Bond's drinking:

    - In OHMSS Bond takes a break during the ski chase to neck some booze. He does it not only to keep warm but also to give himself a little jolt of confidence. This is such a good scene and would really cement to the audience that Bond has a drink problem.

    -The other is in YOLT with Bond on the park-bench having essentially given up at Mi6 and he sits in Regents Park looking at his watch grateful that that in only 2 hours he can finally get a drink.

    These small moments I think would add some real depth to his character and fit perfectly with DC's Bond.
  • There is two scenes I'd love to see from Fleming's books regarding Bond's drinking:

    - In OHMSS Bond takes a break during the ski chase to neck some booze. He does it not only to keep warm but also to give himself a little jolt of confidence. This is such a good scene and would really cement to the audience that Bond has a drink problem.

    -The other is in YOLT with Bond on the park-bench having essentially given up at Mi6 and he sits in Regents Park looking at his watch grateful that that in only 2 hours he can finally get a drink.

    These small moments I think would add some real depth to his character and fit perfectly with DC's Bond.

    Those are two interesting ideas, but I fear the first would come off as too jokey, and the second would be a little hard to pull off in a movie, since a lot of it's interior and Bond isn't doing much.
  • Bradford4 wrote:
    Erm, he's talking about the 1984 film AMEDEUS, starring Tom Hulce and F. Murray Abraham.

    I'd never heard of it before, but I googled it and it said it was a play, that later had a film based on it.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Amadeus was a play, and an amazing great film, in my opinion. I do recommend the film highly. I just never saw the play, although I think it won many awards. This was decades ago.
  • edited December 2013 Posts: 9,825
    no the greatest rumor and fan reaction of ALL TIME is still when everyone thought the Olsen Twins were going to be in Quantum of solace.... man if that had actually happened the internet would of gone bye bye.


    However back on topic do you guys think we will get a strong title rumor Like we did for SkyFall (Red Sky at Night) and Quantum of Solace (Risico)
  • Risico007 wrote:
    no the greatest rumor and fan reaction of ALL TIME is still when everyone thought the Olsen Twins were going to be in Quantum of solace.... man if that had actually happened the internet would of gone bye bye.


    However back on topic do you guys think we will get a strong title rumor Like we did for SkyFall (Red Sky at Night) and Quantum of Solace (Risico)

    You mean other than WAVE-LINK?
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    Risico007 wrote:
    no the greatest rumor and fan reaction of ALL TIME is still when everyone thought the Olsen Twins were going to be in Quantum of solace.... man if that had actually happened the internet would of gone bye bye.


    However back on topic do you guys think we will get a strong title rumor Like we did for SkyFall (Red Sky at Night) and Quantum of Solace (Risico)

    You mean other than WAVE-LINK?


    yes.....
  • Bradford4Bradford4 Banned
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    I really really have a good feeling that this time its going to finally be RISICO. The name evokes such exoticness and mystery... It'd be a perfect match for Dapper Dan.
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