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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited December 2013 Posts: 13,924
    Seven_Point_Six_Five wrote:
    Anyway, if Skyfall were up to me, I would have set up her character with the name Evelyn from the get go. Throughout the film, both Bond and the audience would know her as Evelyn. In the final scene, Bond would say "You know Evelyn, we haven't been properly introduced". She replies, "Oh, well you can call me Eve. Eve Moneypenny".
    Creasy47 wrote:
    @Seven_Point_Six_Five has it spot on in terms of how I would've handled it. Bring her name up a few times, then tackle that at the end. Still goes against the 'not knowing what her last name is' bit, but still.
    That's a great way to deal with it. Either that, or Bond could say "You know Eve, I don't even know your last name." Before Eve can respond, M buzzes through the intercom with "Miss Moneypenny, send in 007." Tanner would not be present for this final scene.
  • BounineBounine
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    QBranch wrote:
    Seven_Point_Six_Five wrote:
    Anyway, if Skyfall were up to me, I would have set up her character with the name Evelyn from the get go. Throughout the film, both Bond and the audience would know her as Evelyn. In the final scene, Bond would say "You know Evelyn, we haven't been properly introduced". She replies, "Oh, well you can call me Eve. Eve Moneypenny".
    Creasy47 wrote:
    @Seven_Point_Six_Five has it spot on in terms of how I would've handled it. Bring her name up a few times, then tackle that at the end. Still goes against the 'not knowing what her last name is' bit, but still.
    That's a great way to deal with it. Either that, or Bond could say "You know Eve, I don't even know your last name." Before Eve can respond, M buzzes through the intercom with "Miss Moneypenny, send in 007." Tanner would not be present for this final scene.

    That's the bit that I feel is unnecessary - "You know Eve, I don't even know your last name.". It's in the same vein as "I don't think we've been properly introduced". I think they would have only needed the other part that you suggested. Bond and Eve should have still been talking after entering the office and then M comes in on the intercom and says as you said "Miss Moneypenny, send in 007.". No Tanner needn't have been there if it was played out like this.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I think that's best, would've introduced her as MP while not having fans debate whether or not he knew her name throughout the film.
  • BounineBounine
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    It would have felt a lot more natural too. What they did just feels the opposite, not to mention awkward.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Bounine wrote:
    It would have felt a lot more natural too. What they did just feels the opposite, not to mention awkward.

    It felt quite forced, like a good portion of the comedy in SF.
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,770
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Bounine wrote:
    It would have felt a lot more natural too. What they did just feels the opposite, not to mention awkward.

    It felt quite forced, like a good portion of the comedy in SF.

    Thank You!

    I thought I was the only person who noticed that

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,465
    @Risico007, absolutely not. Quite a few people have brought it up. Sure, SF had its moments in comedy, but on the other end, a lot of it was embarrassing and missed the mark entirely; very forced in some sections.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    There was just too much on average, I thought. The 'lightness of touch' was taken too for and hopefully this is reigned in next time. Most of the lines were OK in my book. Most worked.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    "I always hated this place."

    You're not 100% sure where M is, a helicopter is about to crash into your home, and Silva is still out there looking for you, and you have to stop to say that to yourself?
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
    Posts: 6,396
    Creasy47 wrote:
    "I always hated this place."

    You're not 100% sure where M is, a helicopter is about to crash into your home, and Silva is still out there looking for you, and you have to stop to say that to yourself?

    Actually that line didn't bother me half as much as "I got into some deep water".
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited December 2013 Posts: 13,350
    Creasy47 wrote:
    "I always hated this place."

    You're not 100% sure where M is, a helicopter is about to crash into your home, and Silva is still out there looking for you, and you have to stop to say that to yourself?

    Bond should have said that whilst moving through the tunnel.
    WillyGalore wrote:
    Actually that line didn't bother me half as much as "I got into some deep water".

    The audiences I saw the film with loved that one. It really worked and is an example of humour at the right moment. Just after - and as it happens, before - a dramatic beat.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited December 2013 Posts: 40,465
    I don't mind "I got into some deep water" as much, but it is slightly ill-timed, considering what's going on with M. But, at that moment, he doesn't know she's been hit, so I guess the timing is spot on in a way. Let's hope they work out the comedy a bit in 'Bond 24.'
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    "I always hated this place."

    You're not 100% sure where M is, a helicopter is about to crash into your home, and Silva is still out there looking for you, and you have to stop to say that to yourself?

    It was another quantum of solace for him, imo. Have you never tried to find some comforting thought about a disaster that struck you? Bond is a survivor because of this strait, trying to find some consolation in a dark corner. What I read out of it, anyway.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I can't compare my life, as I'm not a secret 00 Agent. Even if I had some comforting thought in dark times, which I have, I certainly don't say it out loud to myself. Plus, his whole propane trap was to bring the helicopter down, why pause in any way, shape, or form that isn't urgent instead of booking it the hell down those tunnels?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    My parents talk to themselves, I do not. I guess he is like them, a bit coocoo.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited December 2013 Posts: 13,350
    Creasy47 wrote:
    I can't compare my life, as I'm not a secret 00 Agent. Even if I had some comforting thought in dark times, which I have, I certainly don't say it out loud to myself.

    This is Bond on film though. Unlike the books, we have to hear Bond's thoughts out loud to get the meaning we wouldn't otherwise have.
  • Risico007Risico007
    edited December 2013 Posts: 9,770
    the "I always hated this place" line I liked some of the stuff during the train sequence like "you come down here and put your back into it" uhm M is about to be shot and killed you think you can wait on the quips?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Well it just didn't sit well with me, didn't like the line. Just seems forced and unnecessary to me.
  • Risico007Risico007
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    which is fine I felt the Humor ironically in Quantum of Solace worked better as it was just more natural rather then Mendes saying "Cut ok we need a funny line here because we haven't had one yet"
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    I thought the humour in SF worked fine. From the early movies, Bond had said one liners during or after a dramatic situation, or after it: "They were going to a funeral" in DN, "She should have kept her mouth shut", "She had her kicks" in FRWL, it didn't happen suddenly in SF.

  • bondbat007bondbat007
    Posts: 1,407
    Most of the humor was fine. The only one that bothered me was "It's the circle of life" mostly because there was already one (much better) line right before that
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    I am hoping for a little more humour in the next one, as long as it is done right and that it suits Craig's Bond.

    I am hoping we hear something in March as I think that's when Mendes's theatre commitments come to an end? As we all know Craig finishes his work in January, which is when he will start his pre Bond training regime.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,421
    The only Bond film that got the humour right, in the time I've been going to see Bond in the cinema, since 1999, was Casino Royale, IMHO. CR got the balance just right, and after the groaners during the Brosnan era, it was such a relief to mark a return to sophisticated humour. QoS was too sombre, and SF was just a touch forced.
  • Risico007Risico007
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    Ireland would be a nice location
  • marketto007marketto007 Brazil
    Posts: 3,277
    What if?!

    x9hl.jpg

    :D
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited December 2013 Posts: 12,459
    A true dream come true wouldn't it be, eh, Marketto? Me, too.
    I suppose there is a line of us who'd love this. 'Course I'd prefer mine said, "final draft" ... Nice photo! ;)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,465
    Oh, now that is beautiful...
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited December 2013 Posts: 4,441
    Risico007 wrote:
    which is fine I felt the Humor ironically in Quantum of Solace worked better as it was just more natural rather then Mendes saying "Cut ok we need a funny line here because we haven't had one yet"

    QOS have dark humor, i like it too. Humor in Skyfall there tryde to be more tradional and mabey a litle bit of dark humor of QOS. Example be empty chair in QOS or Tanner, M and Malory behind the glass window in Skyfall.

    I think the worse humor of Daniel Craig era be in Casino Royale. Smiling when you don't need to smile and then that Astin Martin joke with Solange.
    Ludovico wrote:
    I thought the humour in SF worked fine.

    Exept that i think some scene's Eon/writers think tradional and should created some fun too disapointed a bit. I don't have a problem with ''I always hated this place''.
  • TheBondFanTheBondFan
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    "I always hated this place."

    You're not 100% sure where M is, a helicopter is about to crash into your home, and Silva is still out there looking for you, and you have to stop to say that to yourself?

    I always thought it worked, as if he's taking one final look at his childhood home before it blows up.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,465
    @TheBondFan, it's not so much a last look at the place as it is an out-loud forced utterance.
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