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  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
    Posts: 15,664
    The Bond theme was used often enough in Skyfall. Seriously, how much more Bond theme do you want? If the composer uses the theme as often as it was used in TND for example then it completely loses it's impact. Why are you so sure Arnold would use the Bond theme more often in Bond 24 anyway? He barely ever used it in CR and QOS...

    It most certainly did not. TND had perfect use of the Bond theme. It never lost it's impact, That's silly. I care about the theme because it's a James Bond movie. I want theme, not themeless background music.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    It's not just the Bond theme being used so explicitly. The SF soundtrack has no real sense of overall identity. Look to CR, look to QoS, both those scores wipe it's behind with the SF soundtrack and I'm sorry Newman getting an Oscar nom means eff all. The Oscars are a joke, flaunting their conspicuous political agendas. If any category deserved an Oscar for all the nominations SF got, it should have been Deakins but he lost out to a film that had no business being in the same category so that says it all.
    Furthermore, nothing is confirmed. We don't know if Newman is coming back but I'll say this, if he can't adhere to the simple requirement of incorporating the title theme as part of his score and make appropriate use of the Bond theme, then he should decline to return; it's as simple as that. These are Bond movies, a distinct sub genre in it's own right.
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    You can say that the Oscars are a joke but the fact is that the nominees for a Best Original Score Oscar are selected by the Music Branch of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. The Music Branch has 232 members as of know and they are all highly accomplished composers, songwriters and music editors.

    The fact is that these composers, songwriters and music editors thought that the score of Skyfall was one of the five best scores of 2012 and they did not think that any of the scores by David Arnold was good enough for a nomination.
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    Terrific should we base ALL our decisions on the academy Awards?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It was this or the priesthood.
    Posts: 28,232
    Risico007 wrote:
    Terrific should we base ALL our decisions on the academy Awards?
    Also considering the fact that nominees who have lost out for years are sometimes given "freebies," instead of it being a fair contest for who truly gave the best performance. Every year it honestly becomes harder for me to tune in to the show. The politics of it all, the flat and cringe-worthy attempts at comedy and all the stupid bull that they make the "famous" actors and actresses spew about other professionals or films in the running that they may not have even seen and don't genuinely mean are just some examples of why the show has suffered. How hard would it be for the presenting actors and actresses to just give an improvised and convincing performance instead of choppily reading off a teleprompter? I mean, they get paid for it for crying out loud!
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,090
    You can say that the Oscars are a joke but the fact is that the nominees for a Best Original Score Oscar are selected by the Music Branch of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. The Music Branch has 232 members as of know and they are all highly accomplished composers, songwriters and music editors.

    The fact is that these composers, songwriters and music editors thought that the score of Skyfall was one of the five best scores of 2012 and they did not think that any of the scores by David Arnold was good enough for a nomination.

    Yes, the same people that denied John Barry for almost 30 years; very credible.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited March 2014 Posts: 31,800
    Risico007 wrote:
    Terrific should we base ALL our decisions on the academy Awards?
    Also considering the fact that nominees who have lost out for years are sometimes given "freebies," instead of it being a fair contest for who truly gave the best performance. Every year it honestly becomes harder for me to tune in to the show. The politics of it all, the flat and cringe-worthy attempts at comedy and all the stupid bull that they make the "famous" actors and actresses spew about other professionals or films in the running that they may not have even seen and don't genuinely mean are just some examples of why the show has suffered. How hard would it be for the presenting actors and actresses to just give an improvised and convincing performance instead of choppily reading off a teleprompter? I mean, they get paid for it for crying out loud!

    Paid for what? Celebrities don't get paid to attend the Academy Awards. They may receive pricy gift bags, but they don't receive a check for attending/presenting, just the hosts do.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 9,792
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Risico007 wrote:
    Terrific should we base ALL our decisions on the academy Awards?
    Also considering the fact that nominees who have lost out for years are sometimes given "freebies," instead of it being a fair contest for who truly gave the best performance. Every year it honestly becomes harder for me to tune in to the show. The politics of it all, the flat and cringe-worthy attempts at comedy and all the stupid bull that they make the "famous" actors and actresses spew about other professionals or films in the running that they may not have even seen and don't genuinely mean are just some examples of why the show has suffered. How hard would it be for the presenting actors and actresses to just give an improvised and convincing performance instead of choppily reading off a teleprompter? I mean, they get paid for it for crying out loud!

    Paid for what? Celebrities don't get paid to attend the Academy Awards. They may receive pricy gift bags, but they don't receive a check for attending/presenting, just the hosts do.

    I think he means they are paid to 'act', so why the need for badly delivered lines, courtesy of a teleprompter.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 31,800
    @RC7, ahh, makes sense. I still tune in to the Academy Awards every year, and every year there are always grave disappointments and I realize more and more how it's all based around money. Such a shame, it was always very entertaining when I was younger.

    Apologies for riding slightly off topic there.
  • edited March 2014 Posts: 4,384
    Risico007 wrote:
    Terrific should we base ALL our decisions on the academy Awards?

    No. All I'm saying is that to claim that the Oscars are a joke and they don't mean anything is ridiculous.
    doubleoego wrote:
    Yes, the same people that denied John Barry for almost 30 years; very credible.

    John Barry? Do you mean the 5 time Academy Award winner John Barry?
  • Posts: 2,469
    Murdock wrote:
    Me too. Though I liked about half of Newman's score. There wasn't enough Bond theme! Dammit, It's a James Bond movie USE THE DAMN THEME! I'm sick of this generic Hans Zimmer sound alike crap.

    The Bond theme was used often enough in Skyfall. Seriously, how much more Bond theme do you want? If the composer uses the theme as often as it was used in TND for example then it completely loses it's impact. Why are you so sure Arnold would use the Bond theme more often in Bond 24 anyway? He barely ever used it in CR and QOS...

    I don't care about the Bond theme. All I care about is that the director gets to choose the composer without the producers interfering.

    Yep. Two or three instances per film is totally sufficient.

  • Posts: 2,469
    Murdock wrote:
    The Bond theme was used often enough in Skyfall. Seriously, how much more Bond theme do you want? If the composer uses the theme as often as it was used in TND for example then it completely loses it's impact. Why are you so sure Arnold would use the Bond theme more often in Bond 24 anyway? He barely ever used it in CR and QOS...

    It most certainly did not. TND had perfect use of the Bond theme. It never lost it's impact, That's silly. I care about the theme because it's a James Bond movie. I want theme, not themeless background music.

    TND was probably the worst score ever in a Bond film. I'm not completely down on Arnold, BTW, but why anybody thinks this techno-hackery is a good score is beyond me.

  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
    Posts: 15,664
    Murdock wrote:
    The Bond theme was used often enough in Skyfall. Seriously, how much more Bond theme do you want? If the composer uses the theme as often as it was used in TND for example then it completely loses it's impact. Why are you so sure Arnold would use the Bond theme more often in Bond 24 anyway? He barely ever used it in CR and QOS...

    It most certainly did not. TND had perfect use of the Bond theme. It never lost it's impact, That's silly. I care about the theme because it's a James Bond movie. I want theme, not themeless background music.

    TND was probably the worst score ever in a Bond film. I'm not completely down on Arnold, BTW, but why anybody thinks this techno-hackery is a good score is beyond me.

    Major disagreement PK! TND's score is very light on the techno. In an interview with Arnold, he broke down how he scored it. PTS to London. (Bond is Back, traditional Bond music. Orchestral typical Bond stuff. Hamburg (Non heavy techno elements.) Then once they get to Saigon to the very end. (Asian instrumentation with heavy orchestra stuff for the climax on the stealth boat.) TND does not have the worst Bond soundtrack! The only time DA went overboard with the techno was in TWINE. If you want bad Bond soundtracks, I suggest you listen to TSWLM's score.
  • Logan's right, we ain't seen nothing yet? Plot holes aplenty, style aplenty, beautiful photography aplenty, DC watchable aplenty, no Bond aplenty though...

    Logan give me a Bond filM, give DC his FRWL he's always wanted and don't give that Notting Hill pseudo action director an excuse to make another SF.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It was this or the priesthood.
    Posts: 28,232
    RC7 wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Risico007 wrote:
    Terrific should we base ALL our decisions on the academy Awards?
    Also considering the fact that nominees who have lost out for years are sometimes given "freebies," instead of it being a fair contest for who truly gave the best performance. Every year it honestly becomes harder for me to tune in to the show. The politics of it all, the flat and cringe-worthy attempts at comedy and all the stupid bull that they make the "famous" actors and actresses spew about other professionals or films in the running that they may not have even seen and don't genuinely mean are just some examples of why the show has suffered. How hard would it be for the presenting actors and actresses to just give an improvised and convincing performance instead of choppily reading off a teleprompter? I mean, they get paid for it for crying out loud!

    Paid for what? Celebrities don't get paid to attend the Academy Awards. They may receive pricy gift bags, but they don't receive a check for attending/presenting, just the hosts do.

    I think he means they are paid to 'act', so why the need for badly delivered lines, courtesy of a teleprompter.

    Exactly. Thanks, @RC7.
  • For me, Skyfall was easily the best Bond score since John Barry signed out with TLD. I would love Newman to return. Bearing in mind that Eon?MGM were desperate for Mendes to return and delayed Bond 24 until he was available, I can't believe that Mendes wasn't able to insist on his choice of composer. Having said that it wouldn't surprise me if Newman is reluctant to return.

    My impression is that Skyfall was a high pressure experience to score. Newman is hardly short of offers so it may just be that he's ruled himself out. I saw David Arnold interviewed before a showing of YOLT at BFI SouthBank in late January and the strong professional relationship between Mendes and Newman was mentioned. Arnold agreed and gave absolutely no indication that he was remotely in the running for Bond 24. Either he's not doing it or he's doing a very strong job of keeping a straight face.

    To be honest, I wouldn't like to predict who is scoring Bond 24 at this point.. If either Arnold or Newman are doing it then surely they've been signed up by now.Five Arnold scores is enough. If it's not Newman then IMO they should go for the best, Alexandre Desplat. Eon can afford it. :)
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
    Posts: 11,174
    I agree with much of what you are saying, @Murdock, regarding Arnold and TND.
    And I am happy to see Colonel Sun posting here, by the way.

    For my personal tastes, I would definitely welcome Arnold back - and I do not feel we should limit someone by saying well he had 5, that's enough. Really? He was not burnt out; he was still developing and improving with his Bond scores.

    I also welcome a new composer. But I am not wholly against Newman. I for sure am not satisfied with what he did, however. If Newman returns, I simply want more from him this time. Meaning I want the more Bondian influences in the score - the theme song woven into it, the James Bond theme in it more. Skyfall had some lovely moments, but it was overall not a great score and not particularly memorable. I know Newman has the talent, I just want him to embrace a Bond film as a Bond film and put those special touches in - and subtle is fine, I just want them there. Don't tell me a person that talented couldn't do it or shouldn't do it. This is not a regular action film or any other standard film, this is a Bond film and I do want it to have that flavor, even with the score.

    If Newman is in and gives us a score similar to Skyfall's effort, I will be mightily disappointed. In Mendes as well, because Mendes is the director and has had a longstanding partnership with Newman - he should be able to influence Newman somewhat. Therefore, if Newman does not deliver something better for me, I do blame him (specifically his ego, because what else would be stopping him?) and I would also blame Mendes more this time. I do not mean to sound so cold against Newman; I am not. But I'm trying to be clear that what he did, nominations aside, was not sufficient for me and I know very well he can do better for Bond.

    I think Newman may well be reluctant to return, but I feel Mendes would want him to say so he might be on board. Who really knows? I honestly hope we get confirmation soon. Which we probably won't.
  • Posts: 4,778
    You can say that the Oscars are a joke but the fact is that the nominees for a Best Original Score Oscar are selected by the Music Branch of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. The Music Branch has 232 members as of know and they are all highly accomplished composers, songwriters and music editors.

    The fact is that these composers, songwriters and music editors thought that the score of Skyfall was one of the five best scores of 2012 and they did not think that any of the scores by David Arnold was good enough for a nomination.
    The fact that 232 members of the Music Branch of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences chose such a mediocre soundtrack as Thomas Newman´s Skyfall is scientific proof that the Oscars are a joke.

  • Posts: 5,747
    Adele is holding out on doing the Bond 24 theme, and apparently the Prods have already approached her.

    http://www.contactmusic.com/story/adele-tight-lipped-on-james-bond-theme-future_4102914
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 31,800
    It's no rush, really, the film won't be out for quite some time and she still has months to decide.
  • edited March 2014 Posts: 11,956
    I don't want another Adele theme. I enjoy speculating about who will do the next theme song and I like having a new artist every time to keep things fresh. Plus I don't really like Adele's music (although SF was a decent song).
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 31,800
    I wouldn't mind if Adele returned, I thought she did a fantastic job with 'Skyfall.' Wouldn't mind seeing someone else return for another theme song, though, as I don't want a near carbon copy of SF this time around.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,090
    Risico007 wrote:
    Terrific should we base ALL our decisions on the academy Awards?

    No. All I'm saying is that to claim that the Oscars are a joke and they don't mean anything is ridiculous.
    doubleoego wrote:
    Yes, the same people that denied John Barry for almost 30 years; very credible.

    John Barry? Do you mean the 5 time Academy Award winner John Barry?

    Yes, the one and the same who was consistently snubbed for his work on the Bond series, which btw is where his best work can be found.

  • edited March 2014 Posts: 11,956
    I've been listening to the latest Arctic Monkeys album lately and it's great. I'd say they're a pretty likely choice for the next theme too given how popular they are at the moment.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
    edited March 2014 Posts: 11,174
    Re: ADELE
    I don't know if we can trust this article 100% either.
    But I am okay with Adele returning. And from a business standpoint, I can see why the producers would ask her. I am okay with someone new.
    Would be great to get confirmation of something soon.
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
    Posts: 15,664
    I want another hard rock song. Ballads are fine for say Moore and Brosnan, but I feel the main title songs should be harder edged for Craig's Bond. You Know My Name got it right and In my opinion even Another Way to Die got it right. Skyfall was good for the tone but it felt more for a Brosnan flick.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
    Posts: 11,174
    Rock song next would be perfect for me. :)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 31,800
    I'd be interested in another hard rock song, as well. YKMN and AWTD always get me pumped and excited for what's about to follow in the film.
  • edited March 2014 Posts: 5,747
    I've been listening to the latest Arctic Monkeys album lately and it's great. I'd say they're a pretty likely choice for the next theme too given how popular they are at the moment.

    'AM' is my favorite album of all time. They just have a sound that screams Bond to me. I could definitely see them sliding nicely in front of a Craig movie, and the timing is right.

    The only thing is the whole 'One Sony' goal where the company would want to use one of the artists they own the label to. Adele matches that. Arctic Monkeys, unfortunately, don't.

    To reiterate that list:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Adele
    Alicia Keys
    Ariana Grande
    Beyonce
    Celine Dion
    Chris Daughtry
    Christina Aguilera
    Daft Punk (likely would be paired with another artist)
    Demi Lovato
    Duran Duran
    Foo Fighters
    Gloria Estefan
    George Michael
    Jennifer Lopez
    John Legend
    John Mayer
    Justin Timberlake
    Katy Perry
    Kings Of Leon
    Leona Lewis
    Mariah Carey
    Natasha Bedingfield
    R. Kelly
    Sade
    Santana (likely would be paired with another artist)
    Shakira
    The Strokes
    Usher

    Those were the likely possibilities I picked from the full list, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sony_Music_artists

  • Posts: 7,105
    I am going to pray this rumor is a bad joke
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