007 Legends Announced

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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I've still not played 007 Legends. I spent my $60 on something more worthwhile, Resident Evil 6.

    That reads like an ironic statement from my perspective. :))
  • JamesPageJamesPage Administrator, Moderator, Director
    edited January 2013 Posts: 1,380
    Ali wrote:
    No, funnier. Some parts are just laugh out loud bad.

    One of my favourites from the Goldfinger mission when you are about to snoop the corridors with Pussy Galore...

    Here's how it would be in the cinematic Bond:
    Pussy Galore: "What is your name?"
    James Bond: "<pause> Bond.... James Bond"

    In the game:
    Pussy Galore: "What is your n-"
    James Bond: "JAMESBOND"
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    JamesPage wrote:
    Ali wrote:
    No, funnier. Some parts are just laugh out loud bad.

    One of my favourites from the Goldfinger mission when you are about to snoop the corridors with Pussy Galore...

    Here's how it would be in the cinematic Bond:
    Pussy Galore: "What is your name?"
    James Bond: "<pause> Bond.... James Bond"

    In the game:
    Pussy Galore: "What is your n-"
    James Bond: "JAMESBOND"

    At the start of the GF mission (set at Goldfinger's compound) doesn't Tanner phone Bond and tell him to get in quietly, where soon after Bond uses and EMP to wipe out the power to the entire area, causing aircrafts to fall and explosions and going in gun blazing?
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    JamesPage wrote:
    Ali wrote:
    No, funnier. Some parts are just laugh out loud bad.

    One of my favourites from the Goldfinger mission when you are about to snoop the corridors with Pussy Galore...

    Here's how it would be in the cinematic Bond:
    Pussy Galore: "What is your name?"
    James Bond: "<pause> Bond.... James Bond"

    In the game:
    Pussy Galore: "What is your n-"
    James Bond: "JAMESBOND"

    When I saw that I was just so...confused. It's like they were going out of their way to NOT include the Bond, James Bond line
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I've still not played 007 Legends. I spent my $60 on something more worthwhile, Resident Evil 6.

    That reads like an ironic statement from my perspective. :))

    It actually wasn't. On October 1st, I sat down with $60 (plus sales tax) in my hands and I gave it serious thought. Do I want 007 Legends (which I knew, from the very beginning, would just be another GEReloaded, and wasn't expecting anything special) or would I rather buy Resident Evil 6 (I'll always be a semi-sucker for anything with zombies in it, even if I had lost interest in the RE series after RE5, plus, I'm sorry, but if it's a choice between Bond and zombies, zombies will always come first)? I picked RE6, because I felt (based on the demo and a few trailers alone) that it would actually be worth $60, whereas 007 Legends didn't look like it was worth $20.

    On an unrelated note: does Activision pulling the games from download distribution also include DLC? I just want to know, if I ever actually buy 007 Legends, would I still be able to get the Skyfall DLC.
  • oo7oo7
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    the dlc is as gone as the game from the store fronts, no more ppks nor skyfall.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I've still not played 007 Legends. I spent my $60 on something more worthwhile, Resident Evil 6.

    Same here (other than RE6). I'm waiting for the price to nose-dive futher, when it reaches £10, then i'll pick a copy up and see for myself.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    oo7 wrote:
    the dlc is as gone as the game from the store fronts, no more ppks nor skyfall.

    Well then, I'm never getting 007 Legends. I don't want the game if I can't even have the basic content (and I do count the Skyfall DLC as basic content, they promised us Skyfall, after all).
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 12,837
    I thought about getting 007 Legends when it was properly announced but then I told myself not to be so stupid, it'd probably just be terrible. Turns out I was right, and I bought Assassins Creed 3 around that time instead.

    @Agent007391 You like zombie games, get The Walking Dead.

    Only cost me about £20 in microsoft points and apart from the puzzle bits (I hate puzzles), it was definetly worth it.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    @Agent007391 You like zombie games, get The Walking Dead.

    Only cost me about £20 in microsoft points and apart from the puzzle bits (I hate puzzles), it was definetly worth it.

    I plan on it. I've been a Walking Dead fan since 2010, when I started reading the comics and when the TV series started. I plan on getting the disc version soon.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited January 2013 Posts: 13,350
    I'm waiting for the price to nose-dive futher, when it reaches £10, then i'll pick a copy up and see for myself.

    I thought I was cheap for wanting it to reach just under £20. ;) If it happens soon, I'll buy it too. With the flop it's been let's hope so. To be honest I haven't really checked up what it's going for yet, I could be missing out on a bargin!
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited January 2013 Posts: 13,882
    Samuel001 wrote:
    I'm waiting for the price to nose-dive futher, when it reaches £10, then i'll pick a copy up and see for myself.

    I thought I was cheap for wanting it to reach just under £20. ;)

    Let me tell you something, my wallet is home to a family of moths. ;) They're waiting for me to buy 007 Legends and then they're gonna make a bid for freedom.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited January 2013 Posts: 28,694
    oo7 wrote:
    the dlc is as gone as the game from the store fronts, no more ppks nor skyfall.

    Well then, I'm never getting 007 Legends. I don't want the game if I can't even have the basic content (and I do count the Skyfall DLC as basic content, they promised us Skyfall, after all).

    Trust me, once you saw the Skyfall mission you would flip out and demand your money back. 'Abortive' doesn't even begin to describe it. It isn't even Skyfall. The only thing even common to the actual film and the game is the characters.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    I'm waiting for the price to nose-dive futher, when it reaches £10, then i'll pick a copy up and see for myself.

    I thought I was cheap for wanting it to reach just under £20. ;)

    Let me tell you something, my wallet is home to a family of moths. ;) They're waiting for me to buy 007 Legends and then they're gonna make a bid for freedom.

    Sounds just like my wallet too! We should meet up some time and let them create some more moths.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    oo7 wrote:
    the dlc is as gone as the game from the store fronts, no more ppks nor skyfall.

    Well then, I'm never getting 007 Legends. I don't want the game if I can't even have the basic content (and I do count the Skyfall DLC as basic content, they promised us Skyfall, after all).

    Trust me, once you saw the Skyfall mission you would flip out and demand your money back. 'Abortive' doesn't even begin to describe it. It isn't even Skyfall. The only thing even common to the actual film and the game is the characters.

    I'd heard all of that. I was even willing to ignore that (in no way could any Bond game come close to matching the quality of Skyfall), simply because there's no such thing as a truly excellent movie tie-in. But, now that I can't get the DLC, there's no point in buying the game.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    oo7 wrote:
    the dlc is as gone as the game from the store fronts, no more ppks nor skyfall.

    Well then, I'm never getting 007 Legends. I don't want the game if I can't even have the basic content (and I do count the Skyfall DLC as basic content, they promised us Skyfall, after all).

    Trust me, once you saw the Skyfall mission you would flip out and demand your money back. 'Abortive' doesn't even begin to describe it. It isn't even Skyfall. The only thing even common to the actual film and the game is the characters.

    I'd heard all of that. I was even willing to ignore that (in no way could any Bond game come close to matching the quality of Skyfall), simply because there's no such thing as a truly excellent movie tie-in. But, now that I can't get the DLC, there's no point in buying the game.

    Watch it on YouTube. It is less than 30 minutes of gameplay, and that's only if you take your time. Quite pathetic. Hence why the licence should go to a team who will work hard to make the game and any DLC as meaty and true to Bond as they can. 007 Legends is the final nail in a very long overdue coffin. Now, who wants to help me dig a hole and bury it?
  • Bury it? Nah. Lets just burn it or dump it somewhere.
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    Bury it? Nah. Lets just burn it or dump it somewhere.

    Or dump ON it, for that matter, hahaha!
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited January 2013 Posts: 9,117
    I was even willing to ignore that (in no way could any Bond game come close to matching the quality of Skyfall), simply because there's no such thing as a truly excellent movie tie-in.

    Errr... Ever heard of GE N64?

    Seriously though I was in Game the other day and they had some 'January sales'. Farcry 3 was down to £30 and unashamedly sat there next to it was 007 Legends also cheekily wanting £30 of your hard earned cash! Even the fastest supercomputer at the Pentagon cant make decisions as quickly as my brain did that day over which one of the two to buy.
    To have even the vaguest hope of someone buying this you need to be looking at discounts in the region of about 90% I reckon.

    I dont know if this article has been posted before here but I came across it myself for the first time today:

    http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/10/16/idUS112201+16-Oct-2012+PRN20121016

    On the face of it its hilarious to hear such laughable comments by the imbeciles who peddle this garbage but if you pay attention as to who is saying it and their job title it actually becomes pretty frightening.

    David G. Wilson.

    That name should strike terror into all of us. Why? Because his job title is this: VP of Global Business Strategy, EON.

    Who is the P of Global Business Strategy, EON then Mickey f*****g Mouse?

    This guy thinks 'Eurocom, Activision, EON and Danjaq should be extremely proud of their collaboration to make the most diverse Bond video game to date.'

    I dont see how he can keep his job. The point of business is to make money. So his 'global business strategy' is to create an insult of a product and hope people might somehow decide to spunk their money on it rather than professionaly produced games such as COD or Farcry is it?
    He obviously thinks its a success otherwise he should come out and say 'Activision have created a dog of a game which is an embarassment to the name of EON and Bond. We apologise profusely and promise that it will never happen again but in the mean time I have tendered my resignation as my position has become untenable.' Do that and I might have a bit of respect for him.

    Presumably we also have his brilliant business accumen to thank for such a shoddy load of products knocked out for the 50th such as the bluray box set?

    Duncan Bannatyne hes not.

    But games dont really matter do they so why I am I getting so excited about this? Because as you probably know hes Michael G Wilsons son and judging from IMDB where his credits read:

    1997 Tomorrow Never Dies (computer network administrator - as David Wilson)
    1999 The World Is Not Enough (systems administrator - as David Wilson)
    2002 Die Another Day (production placement - as David Wilson)
    2006 Casino Royale (assistant producer)

    its pretty obvious where his career trajectory is heading. We are all well aware how EON operate when bringing in new producers so its fairly obvious by his increasingly important positions that Davey boy is being groomed to take over when MGW retires, which cant be many years away can it?

    The idea that the clown who signed off on 007 Legends could one day have total control when Babs retires should terrify you more than Kim Jong Ils podgy son with his finger on the button.

    I'm someone who subscribes to internet hate campaigns such as were levelled against Dan for being blond but if anyone wants to start a website called DavidGWilsonnotBondProducer then I'll happily sign up. With Daniel I wasnt sure if he would be a good Bond or not so I was prepared to wait and give him a chance and he delivered.
    As far as I'm concerned this guy has had his chance to deliver and spectacularly pissed it up the wall. Primarily due to neoptism Dave has been given a job that we'd all jump at and he has epically failed so how can he ever be considered for the top job now?

    He is the Steve Kean (and who will employ him now?) of Bond and it will be a black, black day if he ever gets his hands on the levers of power. I'd sooner have Mcclory back.
  • 002002
    Posts: 581
    this news is disturbing...
  • AliAli
    edited January 2013 Posts: 319

    Well then, I'm never getting 007 Legends. I don't want the game if I can't even have the basic content (and I do count the Skyfall DLC as basic content, they promised us Skyfall, after all).

    The Skyfall section was utterly terrible. Worst levels by far.

    Goldfinger: a mess of a first level. Sneak into Goldfinger's production plant by....er.....blowing everything up and shooting everyone. They'll never suspect there's a spy at work, I guess. A psychotic armed lunatic, yes, but not an elite spy. Maybe that's the point? "No, it can't be Bond. He'd never do anything so incompetent and amateurish". The second level, in Fort Knox, is no better. The alarm bells of where the game is heading go up a notch when you have to destroy the giant laser firing tank. You know, the iconic giant laser firing tank in Goldfinger? What do you mean? You missed that part in the movie? It doesn't get much better as the rest of the level is a just a trudge through Fort Knox which all looks the same and is completely disorientating. Never mind, you do get to beat Oddjob. By punching him using the two sticks. A lot. You then get a small piece of gameplay where you defeat Goldfinger himself. How do we defeat this most iconic of villains? Oh, just press R1. If only Connory had known, it would have avoided all that trouble.

    OHMSS: you know that part in Modern Warfare 2 with the snowmobiles? Well, we start by playing that level, but on skis. And that's more or less the first level. I'm not sure how you fail in it because it's so damned easy it seems to be impossible. The second part starts with the assault on Piz Gloria. Instead of team work and a tense gun battle, this brings things smack up to date by giving you a mini gun to effectively wipe out Blofeld's entire army before you even land. That's followed by the most boring trudge through the lower levels of the institute, all in night vision, looking for Tracy (just follow the big yellow circle on your radar James) and then an attempt to sneak through the labs. I say sneak but sneaking is near impossible thanks to guards that, to make up for their inept AI, possess near ESP levels of knowing you're there. Either that or some of the walls are actually one way glass because they can see you through it. Strange, because on the Moonraker section, they seem to lose teh ability to see through actual glass! Drax must pay less than Blofeld for hired help. The final section is a cable car escape where you beat Blofeld by.....er.....punching him using the two sticks. A lot.

    License To Kill: well, it starts off with good intentions. Make your way through the Aztec ruins using stealth and enter the refinery. You even get tranquiliser darts to help you out this time, which should make things easier. And you'll probably manage to knock out two of the guards while remaining stealthy. Unfortunately, with absolutely no thought to how you can hide the bodies, the other 354 guards in the area are bound to spot them and immediately be able to link their sleeping comrade with knowing EXACTLY where you're hiding. Time to kill everyone again. From the temple, you descend into the multipayer map...sorry.....the refinery, and....er.....shoot everyone again. With grenades this time. BOOOOOOOM. You get to hear that a lot. Get used to it. BOOOOOOOM. there it goes again. The final level adds a bit of variety and excitement. Ok, what it actually does is add a driving section that looks like it's taken out of a PS1 game and had the textured improved. Terrible driving gameplay ending with a chance to finally defeat Sanchez, who you have no idea why your trying to defeat because, unlike other villains, Joe Public has no idea who he is. How do we defeat him? Repeat after me....punching him using the two sticks. A lot.

    Die Another Day: On to many people's nadir of the series. First up, the ice hotel and well, I think there was a stealthy section here. I can't actually remember because within 0.2 seconds of starting it I seem to remember shooting everyone dead. On to the biodome where we shoot everyone dead and then get to punch everyone's most famous henchman, Zao (what do you mean you can't remember who he is, he must be important because he's in the intro screen) by.....altogether now....punching him using the two sticks. A lot. At least after all the shooty, shooty, death, death bits we now get to drive an Aston. On a frozen lake, fighting Zao's Jaguar? Don't be silly, we drive down a frozen corridor that goes left, right, left, right, left, right.....and avoid where Icarus and Zao's missiles are landing. Zao also seems to have replaced his lovely XKR with a hideously bad Lamborghini look a like kit car. He deserved to die.... On to Graves plane and our final confrontation with the unintentionally camp Gustav. By. Punching. Him. Using. The Two. Sticks. A. Lot.

    Moonraker: you're getting the idea now? Good. Welcome to Bond's silliest and most pointless outing. In Bond's silliest and most pointless game. A match made in heaven! Somehow, just shooting and killing everyone seems acceptable here. You really don't care that they've changed the plot because nobody remembers the plot of Moonraker anyway. All they remember is the lasers in space, and we get lasers. In space. There is a stealth section in Drax's labs, and Holly looks like generic female 3D model number 56, but the stealth is made easy by the guards inability to see through glass partitions and you hardly ever see Holly anyway. A quick escape from under Moonraker 5's exhausts, kill a few.....hundred.....more guards and you get to float around Drax's station firing blue lasers. Blue lasers! Even Halo doesn't have blue lasers. The level works, because the film was pulp sci fi fare. It's the only time that 007 Legends actually approaches entertainment. And you don't defeat Drax by punching him! You do get to punch Jaws, but then he becomes your bestest mate ever, so that's all good.

    Skyfall: if you have the ability to access the DLC and have done so before it was pulled by Activision.....don't! It's just awful. First section, chase Patrice across Istanbul rooftops. Except Patrice has brought 50 henchmen and an RPG launcher. Blooming cheat! Easiest way to defeat him? Run past all his goons to the checkpoint. It's that simple! You could try and defeat them, but there are so many of them and they're crack shots, so you'll die. Every time. Then we hop onto motorbikes for the chase across the rooftops we were actually expecting, except this section is entirely on rails. You can't turn the bike, merely veer left and right. And it soon becomes obvious that all the objects in your way involve driving left, right, left, right, left, right, left, right, left, right (getting the idea now?) We then, all of a sudden, jump to Shanghai. simple premise here. Shoot Patrice. Fair enough, you think...BANG. Oh, that made about 2 pixels worth of damage on him. Try again. OK, 3 bullets for every 2 pixels. Oh, and he's a crack shot! On normal difficulty he can kill you with two shots. Unless he gets within 10 metres, in which case he'll kill you with one. And he can shoot through some pillars. Not all of them mind, and you have a silenced P99. You ONLY have a silenced P99...and he gets to play with grenades and smoke bombs as well. After you swear endlessly at the TV and then get his health down to half, you move to the next floor of the building. This is identical to the last, except shooting Patrice does no damage UNLESS he's about to take his shot (thankfully he keeps developing amnesia and forgetting you're there). So shooting one man dead takes roughly 300 bullets and around 15 minutes.... awful. Truly awful.

    Well, awful until you think, "I'll try multiplayer. They can't have mucked that up, can they?". Oh yes, they can. Awful lag (it takes a good 2 seconds for the grenade animation to activate after you throw it), jerky animation, shadow routines that see people suddenly disappear and make campers and snipers life's a piece of cake, levels pulled out of single player with no thought to how well they work, and a Moonraker laser that is pretty much a one hit kill, yet fully automatic and only available to people who manage to stick with it until level 30!

    I shall stop ranting now. Sadly, as a cheap PSN download, I can't trade it for anything else, so I'll have to content myself with playing Moonraker over and over again. You have been warned. Unless you like Moonraker....and punching people using the two sticks. A lot.
  • 002002
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    Ali you forgot to mention the Moonraker level ending worst ending ever
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Classic review Ali.

    How about we round up the people responsbile for this farce and punch them with two sticks. A lot.

    To a bloody pulp in fact.

    PS - Just out of interest and as I'm never going to play this travesty; how do you actually kill Drax then if its not with tried and trusted punching/two sticks/a lot combo?
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,350
    @Ali, thanks for that. It sounds even worse than I thought. A full Skyfall FPS may have been better!

    MDS was right. This is a £10 game.
  • AliAli
    Posts: 319
    @002: the pod chamber? Yes, that did felt like it was ripped from Descent or some other incredibly old space shooter. But you get a laser in it. A laser!!!!
  • So wait-- I haven't been on this thread lately and am catching up. Are you guys telling me that OO7 Legends is gone? Damnit, I was actually going to get it once it dropped to $20.....
  • 007 Legends is gone and Activision don't have the game rights anymore. Don't be disappointed, this is good news ;)
    Seriously though I was in Game the other day and they had some 'January sales'. Farcry 3 was down to £30 and unashamedly sat there next to it was 007 Legends also cheekily wanting £30 of your hard earned cash!

    I noticed this when I went to trade some games in. I honestly thought it'd be cheaper by now.

    The sad thing was that games like Borderlands 2 and Dishonoured were actually cheaper than Legends.
  • Posts: 1,407
    It must be something with Activison Bond games because I noticed that at my local Best Buy that Legenda AND Goldeneye Reloaded are still 60 dollars...GameStop isn't much better either
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 12,837
    bondbat007 wrote:
    It must be something with Activison Bond games because I noticed that at my local Best Buy that Legenda AND Goldeneye Reloaded are still 60 dollars...GameStop isn't much better either

    Reloaded is about £10 here in the UK. Compare that to other games from 2011 (lots of them still £30 to £40) and it really does say something.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,328
    Classic review Ali.

    How about we round up the people responsbile for this farce and punch them with two sticks. A lot.

    To a bloody pulp in fact.

    PS - Just out of interest and as I'm never going to play this travesty; how do you actually kill Drax then if its not with tried and trusted punching/two sticks/a lot combo?

    After you destroy the Poison Globe Launcher (Which rips of Nightfire's Equinox mission to a T) you place a bomb on a glass floor then goes into a cutscene where Bond chases Drax to the airlock and Drax monologues and tells Bond, "they can Rule the world." To which Bond replies "I think not" then presses the airlock release and Drax meets his end like the film.
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