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I think that over time the negatives will come around and find an appreciation for the movie and the bold ending.
I remember initially adoring Spectre and hating Quantum on first few viewings. Now in time my opinion on both has changed drastically
@Jordo007 Time definitely does have an effect on how films are perceived. I used to like Moonraker, but now I can’t watch it. Same with the Brosnan Bonds. That has been my biggest change. I used to enjoy them, but after Craig became Bond, I couldn’t even begin to watch them anymore. Strange, but true.
Agreed I enjoy most of the film so I would say positive but there are parts I hate
Right now its divisive
Not so much the quality of the movie itself, but the concept of James Bond being killed
Obviously the longer time goes on, and the more subsequent Bond movies are created, the less divisive it will be
I think it's possible to compartmentalise the movie itself from the idea of Bond dying
I’d say the film isn’t as divisive with fans and casual cinema goers as the idea of Bond dying.Leaving the theatre,there was definitely a sense of just leaving a funeral with the audience I was with
The ending was thrilling and satisfying in good ways, not downbeat or defeatist or despairing. It wasn't presented as a downer and I didn't take it that way in the slightest.
All a matter of perspective I guess.
I really like your perspective here.
It's not something that by itself would make the film divisive either, to be fair!
What was wrong with the delivery??
Don't agree at all. I thought it was very well done.
That's fair enough. I found it very cheesy, myself. The previous scene with M and the MI6 crew was far more touching, I think.
Hm, so it was flat and cheesy at the same time? Ok...
Err, yeah. Is it not possible for a line delivery to be flat within a cheesy scene, no?
Agreed. If it's good and done sparingly then fine, but the cheap or bad ones just need to go. The humor in the early films was more dark and the really serious scenes didn't need one. Then they let them run rampant in the early '70s and throughout the Moore era and it seems fated from there.
I've seen some people complain about Dalton and Craig's way with the lines but I think it just shows they aren't always appropriate and, as you say, often forced.
I think they need to move away from the traitor angle in general. It's like these latest installments have desperately needed to have a traitor in the midst, and it's almost always painfully obvious who it is. Did anyone really think C was anything but a bad guy the second he met Bond in M's office? Even ignoring the spoilers in the trailers, did anybody buy that Ash was going to be a good, friendly chap here? It's unnecessary. I love Ash as a character, though, and I'm glad his betrayal doesn't take too long to arrive.