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Which i just what the Brexiters are doing right now, from what I can see. Let's face it, whatever the results, the other side would have been as angry. That's the way things are.
Its a bit like Stockholm syndrome. You cannot leave the EU, so you have chosen to love your capturer. Just kidding. ;)
I should put you across my knee and hit your bottom! :)
=))
Air crash investigation just called. They say they've been over all your posts with a fine tooth comb but couldn't find anything that could be called 'critical'.
Not everybody can be as critical as you, dear Wiz. You have a rare talent, use it carefully!
In this instance, leaving the EU is all about the UK.
You are a liar. Again. It's becoming tiresome GrandWizard:
You call that 'VERY critical' do you? I bet the Eurocrats are rocking after you really smashed them out of the park there.
Etc, etc
Took me about 5 mins to find those. And theres another 50 pages of your 'criticism' to sift through if I could be arsed.
With 'critics' like you no wonder the EU has reached a critical mass of bloated decadence and corruption.
Yes, and wasn't that what it was all about in the end analysis? Every state puts their own interests to the forefront and that includes both the UK and all of the other EU member states. Let us not kid ourselves here.
"Sir, we can find no evidence of Gustav Graves being anti EU. It is with this in mind that we will not be recommending further action."
Oh & before I forget congratulations on your promotion WizardOfice - sorry GrandWizardOfice.
Gustav with all due respect you have been contradicting yourself over these past few pages. Don't ask me to point out where I'll leave you to figure that one out.
Ta muchly.
Unfortunately I have just had it confirmed by the Grand Lodge of Wizards that as the guy proposing me for promotion is borderline certifiable they have quashed this and I have been busted back down to humble Wizard again.
Bloody 'ell! I can't believe what I just read. United States of Europe? That is a bureaucratic nightmare not even worth contemplating. Fortunately, I don't believe it will ever become a reality because ultimately the people will not go for it. It's not a viable or sustainable long term goal imho. There are just too many (understandably) sovereignist inclinations among the stronger countries in the union for it to become a reality.
If it weren't for Brexit it would have had a reality within 5 years. Europe can thank us later.
You are a master in dissecting quotes, and placing them out of context. I give you credit for that.
A) YES, I think in the end, in about 100 years from now, it's inevitable to have a United States of Europe. Sadly, you tend to forget that. But in order to get there, we need to become damn more critical of the current European Union.
That's when B) I posted this:
So again, don't force me here to become an anti-EU-voice or an anti-Netherlands-voice. I will never be that voice. Nor will I bow for your glaring attacks that put my opinion completely out of context.
So, as you fail to find my comprehensive opinion about The Netherlands and the EU, here I summarize it for you. With bullet points.
A) YES, in the current-day geopolitical environment I am a pro-EU supporter. I will always be. But not a naïve one.
B) YES, thanks to Brexit, I have become an even more critical EU-supporter. Hence why I reposted my quote....a quote that you KEEP ignoring.
C) YES, the current EU needs to change drastically, but I don't want it to be destroyed! I want real change, but not British Chamberlain-esque nepotism and narcism.
D) YES, I am a supporter of Dutch interests, especially economically and financially, and I believe we can milk out the good parts of the EU and use them in our own Dutch advantage.
E) YES, my ultimate dream, 'Arthur C. Clarke-ian' dream so to say, is indeed a United States of Europe. But in order to get there in a 100 years from now, we f%#$@ng need to drastically change the EU.
So again, stop lying. Stop making people look like retards when it is you who willfully places all nuance and criticism out of context. And on top of that, TRY to understand that you can be both a pro-EU-supporter and an avid supporter of nationalist, domestic interest.
This discussion in here has become so poisonous, because apparently you need to choose sides. You are either pro-EU and anti-Dutch/British or anti-EU and pro-Dutch/British. It's ludicrous, foolish, dangerous and offensive for your own intellect and nuance.
And lastly, life is not black-and-white. I know people want to have clarity these days, but I'm not going to sell my soul to the devil. I am who I am. Honest, nuanced and at times complex when it comes to my political opinions.
Sorry, I don't understand :-P.
The old "It isn t you, it s me." ?
Look up "Theresa may unscrupulous bosses" on YouTube for the clip. She goes full Thatcher in a very pantomime performance. Ultimate cringe. Yuck.
I have not ignored your 'critical' quote. My post of 12.37 refers directly to it. Its not my fault if you dont understand how these boards work and that you need to click 'show previous quotes'.
The fact that you consider saying Juncker and co should listen more as 'VERY critical' (your words not mine) paints its own picture.
You say you want change yet I asked you numerous times how would you go about doing it if you only had the two options 'Leave' or 'Remain' with which to send a message to these people. Youve never answered that so dont start up at people for ignoring your points. Its the internet just move on.
I'm not sure how I'm lying and quoting you out of context unless when I quote you as saying 'The United States Of Europe. It would be my ultimate dream' or 'I would love to give up my Dutch passport for a United States Of Europe passport' I have omitted the bit at the start where you say 'If I ever say the following have me sectioned'?
Also stop accusing people of lying (thats twice now - a third time its enemy action) when they are merely quoting your own words back at you.
You keep repeating how critical you are of the EU (methinks the lady does protest too much?) so wouldnt you vote Brexit given the chance then? In an ideal world I would much prefer to remain in a well run and productive EU but that is not what we have got right now and given voting 'Remain' would have given them a mandate for carrying on with business as usual then Brexit was the only option. If the whole thing needs to come crashing down to get reform so be it.
The EU needed a Stasi agent kicking down your door and throwing a bucket of ice cold water in your face at 5am style wake up call - which is what it has got. Your classic liberal wishy washy method of saying 'I think maybe you could listen a bit more guys' is pissing in the wind while Rome burns and would never have changed anything.
I dont think you need to choose sides. You can love Europe and hate the EU. You can be pro British and love Europe at the same time. I love football but despise FIFA with every fibre of my being. The EU is exactly the same construct as FIFA. Unaccountable, fat old men, with utter contempt for the people they are supposed to be serving, trousering huge sums for doing what exactly? I've yet to have anyone point out to me precisely what we would be losing if the EU ceased to exist.
PS - I dont know who told you that to win a debate you need to write 'nuance' in every sentence but they were winding you up.
It's over. We're taking the dog, the EU can keep the rest, especially the Barry Manilow collection.
She made joke. Everyone laugh. It very funny.
I guess you're speaking about the British prime minister who was succeeded by Winston Churchill - you know, the chap who kept the UK out of world war two.