No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
    edited February 2019 Posts: 11,702
    Sorkin focuses on the relationships between characters and the dialog, with a lot of conversations. A director is supposed to cut lines or to adapt things from a script, unless the writer has the upper hand on the production (The original 50 Shades of Grey was terrible but the director managed to bring some camp. On the sequels, the novelist assumed total control, got the original director fired, and had her husband write the adaptations, which were more faithful to the books, and thus even more terrible).

    If Boyle read in the original script that the board meeting was supposed to take place at night in the middle of a storm, it is his duty to tone this thing down, because Sorkin was being too much on the nose. That's what a director is supposed to do. Or maybe it wasn't actually in the script and he decided on his own to make the flashback even more dramatic. Actually, the score emphasizes even more the drama, and it was Boyle's full responsibility. So, Boyle supported the idea.

    Steve Jobs may be a much more interesting person than Mark Zuckerberg, but The Social Network is a much better film than Steve Jobs, partly because Sorkin had managed to stay out of his usual pet peeves and to write a truly illuminating work on our times, and partly because David Fincher removed some stuff, on-the-nose statements that worked on a blank page but not on the screen, and developed the visual aspect of the film instead, making it his own.

    And I agree that Sorkin can be bloody awful. In his own Molly's Game, the scene at the ice rink between Molly and her father is just laughable, as it spells out for the audience everything we are supposed to think about the character, the entire message of the film. Any good director would have torn these pages of dialogue.

    To go back to Bond (in some way...), Cary Fukunaga had second thoughts over the script for True Detective. He thought there were too many conversations in closed rooms, which could end up being boring, and he decided to add the police raid in the bikers camp, which was barely related to the main plot, to introduce a change of pace and to give him an opportunity to shoot a long take on the project. These changes, which resulted in one of the most fondly remembered sequence in the first season, were heresy to writer Nic Pizzolatto, and his relationship with Fukunaga deteriorated during production. When Fukunaga won an Emmy for directing, he didn't mention Pizzolatto in his speech.
    But Pizzolatto was more important to the show than Cary for HBO. Fukunaga wasn't asked back (he may have turned down the offer anyway) for season 2, and Pizzolatto wrote into the plot an Asian-American director wearing his hair in a bun, that everybody in the season describes as a pretentious jerk. On season 3, Jeremy Saulnier (Blue Ruin, Green Room) was supposed to shoot three episodes. He left production after completing two, over "scheduling conflicts" or, as reported by various trade magazines, creative differences with Pizzolatto.

    Even in a franchise run by producers such as Bond, there are power struggles. It's more difficult to put precise responsibilities on a mess. TWINE was ruined mostly due to poor casting choices (Denise Richards, of course) and characterization (Renard worked better in theory than in execution). DAD had a run of the mill script, but also fake-looking CGI, idiotic action scenes (the tsunami surfing of course, but the car chase INSIDE the ice palace may be the icing on the crap cake), and a terrible song by Madonna. And whoever let Lee Tamahori get away with the CGI bullet on the barrel roll deserves to be shot.
    Pierce could, as shown in Goldeneye, be a fine, even great, Bond. But he never managed to express convincingly his opinion about the scripts he had to work with in the next entries. Craig has had some misfires, but you get a sense that he has a clear idea of what Bond would or wouldn't do in a particular situation and that he managed from day one to get adjustments on the character to suit his style, something that Roger Moore needed three entries to get. In a few years, we may know the truth about his involvement with the Spectre script, and how much he was happy with the foster brother turning out to be the head of SPECTRE angle, but there are a lot of moments where his acting is flat, something he had never done on his other films, as if he didn't even try to bother with the non-sense. And then, there are a few glimpses of his better take on Bond, the conversation with Moneypenny or Mister White, the drunken words to the mouse in the hotel. On Logan Lucky, however, he truly has a blast with the character. He needs a good script or some scenes he can relate to, to shine with a part.

    This was good food for thought; thanks. I tend to agree with you on these points. And I already had heard a bit about season 1 True Detective and Pizzolatto continuing to be sometimes difficult for others, not just Cary.
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    I wonder once the Oscar's have taken place this weekend? Whether we may hear anything official next week?
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    I wonder once the Oscar's have taken place this weekend? Whether we may hear anything official next week?

    If Rami Malek is already signed, the big question is whether it is relevant to make an announcement next week or later. If he wins the Oscar, they'd be foolish not to reveal in the wake of the ceremony that he's got the part. If he loses, they'd need to wait a little longer, so they can get away with coverage such "He may have not won the Oscar, but he got a pretty good consolation prize with playing the villain in the new Bond film."
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    I wonder once the Oscar's have taken place this weekend? Whether we may hear anything official next week?

    If Rami Malek is already signed, the big question is whether it is relevant to make an announcement next week or later. If he wins the Oscar, they'd be foolish not to reveal in the wake of the ceremony that he's got the part. If he loses, they'd need to wait a little longer, so they can get away with coverage such "He may have not won the Oscar, but he got a pretty good consolation prize with playing the villain in the new Bond film."

    If he's truly signed, and it's not officially announced, I'd be very surprised if it doesn't at least "leak."
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    FourDot wrote: »
    The films of Graham's that I've seen (Superman Returns, Milk, Steve Jobs) are very well cut IMO so that's a tick.

    There's a terribly edited scene in Steve Jobs, the one with the flashback over the board meeting during a stormy night in 1985 where Jobs was fired, interspersed with a conversation in "present times" (1998) between Jobs and John Sculley (Jeff Daniels). It's actually one of the few times during the film where Danny Boyle tries to shine over the script by Aaron Sorkin, and it's a pathetic failure.

    That's on Boyle (whether or not you accept the clearly expressionistic flashback from Steve's perspective, which is a recurring motif throughout the film). The technical assembly of the scene however is on point and has terrific energy, and hits the key beats. To be able to contain and focus Boyle's proclivities towards semi- or un-motivated unorthodox shots and find the associative power of those images (the cuts to Winslet in the scene you mentioned for example) would indicate that Graham knows what he's doing. Either way his ability to assemble a genre piece, more relevant to us here, will be on display in a few weeks with Captain Marvel
  • There's supposed to be an event at Bond in Motion on 4 March where Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli are to attend. I checked the website and didn't see anything about that specific event.
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    interesting perhaps we will get some news then?
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2019 Posts: 2,771
    There's supposed to be an event at Bond in Motion on 4 March where Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli are to attend. I checked the website and didn't see anything about that specific event.
    It would be a good opportunity to have the press conference, but we'll probably have to wait till the end of March for that :(
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    There's supposed to be an event at Bond in Motion on 4 March where Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli are to attend. I checked the website and didn't see anything about that specific event.

    Too good to be true for the press conference of B25 I think. You’d think that wouldn’t happen until late March at earliest now.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    Fingers crossed maybe it’ll be an unveiling of the Aston Martin they plan to use in Bond 25.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    Fingers crossed maybe it’ll be an unveiling of the Aston Martin they plan to use in Bond 25.
    Hopefully, I'd think they'd be another reason for Barbara and Michael to be there, but I guess they could just be there to celebrate the history of their franchise. Although again, there have been plenty of events before this that they haven't been to.
  • MonsieurMerciMonsieurMerci France
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    still the fact they haven't changed the title but changed everything else leads me to believe that much to my shagrin Bond 25 is Shatterhand

    so Bond 26 can be Smersh
    Bond 27 Stavro
    Bond 28 Shadow

    lets just see how man one word s titles we can do ….

    Bond 29 Silverfinger
    Bond 30 SilverEye
    :p
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    Baz comes through with a big Thursday night scoop -- Babs and CJF are wooing Lupita Nyong'o for Bond 25!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6731973/BAZ-BAMIGBOYE-Queen-Olivia-Coleman-hopes-reign-Oscars.html

    Inspired choice if they can land it. And based on the fact that Baz is reporting it...well, that would suggest to me they've landed it.
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    Burns “only” halfway through script...
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Burns “only” halfway through script...

    Haha I loved this. Baz sure does know how to build the tension in certain parts... ;)
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    AgentM72 wrote: »
    Baz comes through with a big Thursday night scoop -- Babs and CJF are wooing Lupita Nyong'o for Bond 25!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6731973/BAZ-BAMIGBOYE-Queen-Olivia-Coleman-hopes-reign-Oscars.html

    Inspired choice if they can land it. And based on the fact that Baz is reporting it...well, that would suggest to me they've landed it.
    That would be great :)
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    I mean frankly, I’m surprised he’s that far if it’s true. Lupita would be an inspired choice. Stone being uninvolved is not a surprise.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya “We are thrilled to delay B25”
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    Moneypenny:” with an extended role”
    God so excited for Scooby Gang 2: Scooby returns
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    Moneypenny:” with an extended role”
    God so excited for Scooby Gang 2: Scooby returns

    “Maybe” ;) I know it doesn’t excite me either.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2019 Posts: 2,771
    I'm hoping if she is cast she'll be given a femme-fatale/villain role, as it would distance itself from her role in Black Panther, which already had her in a few Bondian-inspired sequences.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I mean frankly, I’m surprised he’s that far if it’s true. Lupita would be an inspired choice. Stone being uninvolved is not a surprise.
    Maybe he hasn't had to change as much as previously suggested. It could be a Paul Haggis situation, where he does more for the characters and dialogue, rather than having to change any plot details.
    Moneypenny:” with an extended role”
    God so excited for Scooby Gang 2: Scooby returns
    To be honest, that suggestion is probably going off her role in the previous two films.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    Baz comes through with a big Thursday night scoop -- Babs and CJF are wooing Lupita Nyong'o for Bond 25!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6731973/BAZ-BAMIGBOYE-Queen-Olivia-Coleman-hopes-reign-Oscars.html

    Inspired choice if they can land it. And based on the fact that Baz is reporting it...well, that would suggest to me they've landed it.
    That would be great :)

    May the housekeeper, perhaps?
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2019 Posts: 2,771
    Lupita.jpg

    A wonderful actress, and absolutely stunning. I just hope she is cast :)
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    Lupita would be a great choice. And as @Denbigh suggested, a femme-fatale type role would be cool.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Lupita would be a great choice. And as @Denbigh suggested, a femme-fatale type role would be cool.
    I really hope so. I remember when she was first announced to be cast in Star Wars, I was really hoping she was going to be cast as a villain.
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    A rebooted Rosy Carver perhaps
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
    edited February 2019 Posts: 208
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Burns “only” halfway through script...

    We have no idea if he really started around the time Rodrigo Perez wrote about his involvement or well before. He's supposed to work on the script for four weeks. It doesn't mean writing for four weeks totally isolated from everybody else, delivering a draft on the last day and leaving. He has to give them the draft, so they can read it, and then he needs a few days to make new revisions where needed.
    Denbigh wrote: »
    To be honest, that suggestion is probably going off her role in the previous two films.

    She's almost the only female figure in his life outside of his girlfriends. If, as some predict, Madeleine goes kaput early on, Moneypenny is the only existing character he's intimate enough to share his pain with. Q would feed him with stories about his cat, and M about the time he tried Minoxidil. And Tanner, well, he's Tanner. Felix Leiter may be a friend, but are they really in touch? Weeks or months later, Bond is back into service, goes on a mission, meets a strange woman, and...
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    A rebooted Rosy Carver perhaps
    No.
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    I do find it a little interesting Tanner wasn’t confirmed to return while all the other MI6 regulars were. My feelings would not be hurt if he doesn’t come back.
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    I will simply never understand how the franchise could be so lucky as to secure actors of the caliber of Harris, Fiennes, Kinnear and Whishaw for supporting roles, and yet people feel they should be used less.

    I'm fine with it being a difference in opinion. And I'm certainly not judging those who do feel that way.

    I just genuinely don't get it.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2019 Posts: 2,771
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    I will simply never understand how the franchise could be so lucky as to secure actors of the caliber of Harris, Fiennes, Kinnear and Whishaw for supporting roles, and yet people feel they should be used less.

    I'm fine with it being a difference in opinion. And I'm certainly not judging those who do feel that way.

    I just genuinely don't get it.
    It's nothing against the actors. I think it's just that people like myself wanna see more time given to James Bond's mission. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for them to use them to their full extent, but it's when a whole subplot is given to their characters that people get frustrated, because so much more time could be given to the Bond girl or the villain.

    A lot of the problems with Madeleine Swann could've been solved if they'd just focused their time and attention on her, rather than on a subplot we didn't really need. I understand the whole Nine-Eyes thing, but there were other ways they could've introduced without giving a quarter of the film to the MI6 crew.
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