No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Posts: 12,294
    I’d definitely be on board for it. Sadly, probably very unlikely. I hope at least Arnold can come back, which is a little more likely than Campbell.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    I’d definitely be on board for it. Sadly, probably very unlikely. I hope at least Arnold can come back, which is a little more likely than Campbell.

    Is there little doubt that the could produce a solid, entertaining Bond film?
  • Birdleson wrote: »
    These are the two geniuses that "twice!" on the extras in the last Blu-Ray boxed set left the door open to retrofitting Goldfinger as a member of SPECTRE (how, they did not get into, but it's there in two of the interviews on the Extras disc).

    Are you suggesting you don't want to be reminded of brothergate every time you sit down to enjoy Goldfinger? ;)
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    P&W may not be the only writers. We know they’re taking some of the Hodge script, and it’s plausible to believe EON will bring in at least one more writer.

    @Birdleson GF definitely should stay a standalone entry, away from the SPECTRE adventures. Part of what makes the entry so enjoyable and unique! P&W must have a thing for making the villains SPECTRE-related. Here’s hoping we might get something new with Bond 25.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Part of the problem, I think, is that SF and CR were much better received than QoS by the public. Had Greene been as memorable as Silva, I think they would have left the Silva continuity out of SP.

    I don't want a ton of continuity in Bond 25. That means Swann, Hinx, Lucia should not appear--maybe Swann if it's quick. I wouldn't mind a proper showdown with Blofeld but even that may be too much, four years on.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    The thing is, a continuity that linked the events starting with CR and culminating with SP could have been done in a much more deft manner, and of course, minus the “brother “ angle. As is it’s so contrived and heavy handed. .
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 832
    How do we know that p&w are using elements from the hodge script? Did I miss something?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    At this point the Craig arc should play out, shouldn't it. It's the unique situation for the franchise set up by filming Casino Royale for the first time. One Bond actor through OO7's own career. And not to be repeated.

    Once that's done, the more standalone missions can resume. Recognizing Craig could do BOND 26, of course.

    But none of these possibilities are showstoppers. The franchise absorbs them all and more.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I guess you could say the script will be a... Hodgepodge! ;) :D :))
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    LOL. Or a HodgePWodge!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    echo wrote: »
    LOL. Or a HodgePWodge!

    =))
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    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    How do we know that p&w are using elements from the hodge script? Did I miss something?

    From: https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadline.com/2018/09/bond-25-screenwriters-returning-neal-purvis-robert-wade-1202464765/amp/

    “This was to be expected after Boyle fell off. Purvis and Wade are reportedly taking elements from their treatment and Boyle’s script and working them into a new movie.”
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 832
    At this point the Craig arc should play out, shouldn't it. It's the unique situation for the franchise set up by filming Casino Royale for the first time. One Bond actor through OO7's own career. And not to be repeated.

    Once that's done, the more standalone missions can resume. Recognizing Craig could do BOND 26, of course.

    But none of these possibilities are showstoppers. The franchise absorbs them all and more.
    Disagree. The craig continuity, though it includes two top 10 films, failed. Bond 25 should be treated as a standalone, as skyfall was during production, which contributes to its success. The continuity of the connery era is more sucessful, though much less ambitious. I love casino royale and skyfall, and can find enjoyment in qos and sp, but I have zero investment in the craig continuity
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    The Connery continuity is the cat.

    The Craig continuity is Vesper.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited September 2018 Posts: 13,145
    I understand some folks don't like Spectre. Though Craig's four Bond films are actually solidly successful in perspective based on measures of box office and IMDb user ratings or Rottentomatometers. Alongside other well-loved Bond films.

    There really isn't the context of OHMSS-DAF to ignore a previous mission. But I should add either direction can work fine.
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 4,619
    Update: Justin Kroll at Variety has also confirmed that Purvis and Wade are writing a new script. However, Eon are looking to hire a writer-director to polish their work,
    https://variety.com/2018/film/news/neal-purvis-robert-wade-bond-25-1202942309/
    Here we are, 3 years after the release of Spectre, and they still don't have a finished screenplay for Bond 25! Unbelievable! How can EON be this incompetent? It should be the easiest thing in the world for them to get a good script ready in one, maximum one and a half years. Not only that, but they were already building sets!! This is getting ridiculous. Does Barbara Broccoli have no shame?

    Even the biggest EON apologists have to admit that it's not normal they still don't have a finished screenplay!
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    Update: Justin Kroll at Variety has also confirmed that Purvis and Wade are writing a new script. However, Eon are looking to hire a writer-director to polish their work,
    https://variety.com/2018/film/news/neal-purvis-robert-wade-bond-25-1202942309/
    Here we are, 3 years after the release of Spectre, and they still don't have a finished screenplay for Bond 25! Unbelievable! How can EON be this incompetent? It should be the easiest thing in the world for them to get a good script ready in one, maximum one and a half years. Not only that, but they were already building sets!! This is getting ridiculous. Does Barbara Broccoli have no shame?

    Even the biggest EON apologists have to admit that it's not normal they still don't have a finished screenplay!

    Dude seriously. How about posting something other than "Barbara Broccoli is responsible for everything wrong with the series" or "Christopher Nolan is God and will direct Bond 26". It's gotten pretty old.

    And I actually agree that EON are showing incompetence.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    edited September 2018 Posts: 3,000
    If it’s going to be P&W working with another writer (whether it be modifying Hodge’s work or adding a new writer) then I’m happy and intrigued. If it’s P&W on their own I’m a little apprehensive.
    Birdleson wrote: »
    These are the two geniuses that "twice!" on the extras in the last Blu-Ray boxed set left the door open to retrofitting Goldfinger as a member of SPECTRE (how, they did not get into, but it's there in two of the interviews on the Extras disc).

    I don’t know why they’re even speculating about this. Goldfinger is pre-reboot; he never existed to this Bond. Would they actually go back to the old continuity at some point? I’d be happy to return to the classic Bond timeline, but not for the purpose of doing a daft retcon like that.
  • I'm really confused. How are P&W writing a NEW script? Weren't they already writing one before Hodge came in? And didn't Hodge already work with their existing script? Has that script been thrown out?

    I would think that they've come back to bring it full circle and finish what they started. But this report says it's a new script. Whut.

    I guess this could be another QoS situation where they start filming without script.
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 9,785
    Update: Justin Kroll at Variety has also confirmed that Purvis and Wade are writing a new script. However, Eon are looking to hire a writer-director to polish their work,
    https://variety.com/2018/film/news/neal-purvis-robert-wade-bond-25-1202942309/
    Here we are, 3 years after the release of Spectre, and they still don't have a finished screenplay for Bond 25! Unbelievable! How can EON be this incompetent? It should be the easiest thing in the world for them to get a good script ready in one, maximum one and a half years. Not only that, but they were already building sets!! This is getting ridiculous. Does Barbara Broccoli have no shame?

    Even the biggest EON apologists have to admit that it's not normal they still don't have a finished screenplay!

    Actually it is and to be honest ....

    Why do I even bother pointing out how things work to you....

    You do realize scripts change all the time right


    In fact here

    http://mentalfloss.com/article/59548/12-stories-behind-film-production-nightmares

    Read this article
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    They really shouldn’t have sacked Boyle. This hw made a problem 10 times as big

    They didn’t he quit he walked away how many times do you have to hear it before you believe it

    Dog, he wouldn’t have quit unless EON pisses him off
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited September 2018 Posts: 8,168
    Not meaning to get sidetracked, but the whole idea of continuity in the Craig era appears to be retrofitted. I don't believe when they were writing CR they knew the next one would be a direct sequel. The idea of a sequel appealed, but they wanted to cash it one what a success CR ended up becoming, so continuing the story seemed the obvious choice. Then the exact same situation occurred again with SF and SP, with them using continuity in an attempt to retained the audience of a successful entry, and provide extra marketing buzz.


    I appears like Bart Layton has the job as of right now, by what we are hearing, but it also appeared like Boyle had the job, and Demange also. It's starting to get quite ridiculous how much time they need to get the basic pieces in place. I don't like the idea of a hodgepodge script, or writing around set that are already built. I thought the idea of the four year wait was that we could avoid some of these mistakes again, and I think stuff like this is why people can't help but feel the current outfit just isn't up to snuff. I know many are still excited for Bond 25, but after SP, all the fan hype surrounding that (including myself), I just don't want to get burned again. I am going to be honest and say that Bond 25 as a prospect seems very compromised right now, like they are just scrambling to get something together to put in cinemas at the right date, to keep investors and collaborators satisfied. I no longer feel there is a passion behind it. I don't like to say it, but that's just how it seems, to me.
  • Posts: 4,619
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Why do I even bother pointing out how things work to you....

    You do realize scripts change all the time right
    The issue is not script changes. The issues are that they are unable to produce a good script on time and that they once again started building sets without a script that was more or less finished.
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 92
    By the way, what sets were they building?
    (If indeed they were)
    No details on that?
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    Jack_Wade wrote: »
    Ok. Neal Purvis and Robert Wade are back!! What about if this ends just like it started??

    Written by Neal Purvis & Robert Wade and Paul Haggis. Directed by Martin Campbell

    ;)
    Only if Jack Wade appears in it ;-)!

  • In a certain way, EON have appeared rather conservative throughout this era. Yes, there were some shakeups.

    But the return to Purvis and Wade to me is a run for safety rather than a bold push into the new. One could argue that they're a safe pair of hands, but I think many fans agree that the scripts have been a weak link for the past few films, regardless of the talent either side of the camera.

    This makes me suspect we may be in for 'more of the same' with Craig's last film, and then - perhaps? - a shakeup for the next actor's tenure.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    octofinger wrote: »
    In a certain way, EON have appeared rather conservative throughout this era. Yes, there were some shakeups.

    But the return to Purvis and Wade to me is a run for safety rather than a bold push into the new. One could argue that they're a safe pair of hands, but I think many fans agree that the scripts have been a weak link for the past few films, regardless of the talent either side of the camera.

    This makes me suspect we may be in for 'more of the same' with Craig's last film, and then - perhaps? - a shakeup for the next actor's tenure.

    That would be fine (well, maybe not fine, but acceptable) if it was only a 2 or 3 year wait between SP and Bond 25, but 4 or 5 years for more of the same? It can't help but come off as a little tired.
  • So....back to Purvis & Wade. Quelle surprise! I think we now know why Danny Boyle was fired. He had (shock! Horror!) an original idea!! I have low (probably zero) expectations now for Craig's final outing. Heck. Maybe Babs can persuade Madonna to return for the next Bond song to really put the final nail into the coffin! But what did we expect? EON are far too controlling and risk adverse. Sigh. Right. Gonna binge on Amazon's Jack Ryan and banish Bond from my mind.
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    SonofSean wrote: »
    So....back to Purvis & Wade. Quelle surprise! I think we now know why Danny Boyle was fired. He had (shock! Horror!) an original idea!! I have low (probably zero) expectations now for Craig's final outing. Heck. Maybe Babs can persuade Madonna to return for the next Bond song to really put the final nail into the coffin! But what did we expect? EON are far too controlling and risk adverse. Sigh. Right. Gonna binge on Amazon's Jack Ryan and banish Bond from my mind.
    Comment of the month!
  • SonofSean wrote: »
    So....back to Purvis & Wade. Quelle surprise! I think we now know why Danny Boyle was fired. He had (shock! Horror!) an original idea!! I have low (probably zero) expectations now for Craig's final outing. Heck. Maybe Babs can persuade Madonna to return for the next Bond song to really put the final nail into the coffin! But what did we expect? EON are far too controlling and risk adverse. Sigh. Right. Gonna binge on Amazon's Jack Ryan and banish Bond from my mind.

    Maybe this is the reason why James Bond Series has lasted for over 55 years.
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