No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
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    My question is, if there is no distribution deal or director how would Christoph even know if he was coming back?
    Either there is more decided than we are aware of or Waltz is unsure and just saying no.
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    This makes no sense to me. Why are so many people joyful about Waltz not returning? I have no problems with his portrayal and I hate unresolved stories.
    Nothing is unresolved. The last Bond film happened to have a baddie called Blofeld. Bond captured him. Mission accomplished.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Bentley007 wrote: »
    My question is, if there is no distribution deal or director how would Christoph even know if he was coming back?
    Either there is more decided than we are aware of or Waltz is unsure and just saying no.

    They have been working on a script for quite some time now, haven't they? I can only assume it doesn't call for Blofeld and he's letting it be known. It's either that or an assumption of his.

    I honestly don't buy that they'll try to hide Blofeld's appearance for two films in a row.
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    This makes no sense to me. Why are so many people joyful about Waltz not returning? I have no problems with his portrayal and I hate unresolved stories.

    Same. Script was the problem, not the actor.

    Thank you. Finally someone gets me.

    I dont mind Waltz coming back but give Blofeld some balls...he should have got away in SP and then the interest level would have been higher,as some kids have never seen Bond 'lose'.

    Give Christoph a say and let him play Blofeld how he wants...then i will be fine with that,he is a damn good actor.

    All the Craig films have ended with victory being ambiguous, though, so if anything SP was the one time he was a complete victor. I've listened to people have a fit if Bond doesn't 100% "win" at the end of a film anyway, so it's apparently not a popular story conclusion to have Bond facing odds that leave him collaterally damaged.

    Interesting you have witnessed that Brady..for me SP was the ideal time to just let Blofeld get away,it would have given so much more credit to the film.

    It's too late now though..CraigBond will have to finish on a high,hopefully on a baggage free stand alone mission.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    This is the worst news for the Bond franchise ever and the next movie will automatically suck.

    They literally just released a movie saying that Blofeld and Spectre we’re behind everything that happened and they are still a big threat. Sam Mendes and the writers ruined Spectre. If EON can get it together then they could have a great last film for Craig. Why go to the trouble of connecting every film only to say oh this is a stand-alone...

    Soo what about Madeline? Are they just going to forget about her and not mention her? They already established each film in Craig’s series is a follow up. If this was back in the day I wouldn’t care because they could get away with Bond and the girl at the end of the movie then not even mentioning her in the next...
  • mattjoesmattjoes Kicking: Impossible
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    jake24 wrote: »
    royale65 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Well, the good news about this revelation is EON appear to have paid attention to the market. The most telling comment was from P&W earlier in the year, namely that SP finished off a certain way of doing Bond. I'm now intrigued and interested again.

    It seems to back up about P&W comments on "no more personal drama" stuff.
    I still can't seem to find the source for this.

    @jake24 , I was curious about this back when it was first mentioned, so I looked it up, but forgot to post about it. This is the article from the Telegraph in which Purvis and Wade said Spectre closed off "a certain way of doing Bond". I presume their words on Bond 25 being "less personal" are from it as well, but unfortunately it's a premium article.

    Is that the right article, @SirHilaryBray ? If so, could you perhaps post the whole Bond-related text for us?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    My initial thought on this is that, they had the rights to Blofeld and SPECTRE, and they failed to deliver the promising adequacy to equal the feel of the early Connery films (SPECTRE being the shadowy antagonist-wise), and now my main belief is that this will be put aside for now, and they will keep those characters prepared for the next reboot, or the next continuity with a more thoughtful setup.
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    My initial thought on this is that, they had the rights to Blofeld and SPECTRE, and they failed to deliver the promising adequacy to equal the feel of the early Connery films (SPECTRE being the shadowy antagonist-wise), and now my main belief is that this will be put aside for now, and they will keep those characters prepared for the next reboot, or the next continuity with a more thoughtful setup.

    Just as i said...agreed...i think we are looking at a one-off baggage free standalone...Daniel deserves this and the emotional freedom it entails.
  • edited October 2017 Posts: 4,619
    Soo what about Madeline? Are they just going to forget about her and not mention her? They already established each film in Craig’s series is a follow up. If this was back in the day I wouldn’t care because they could get away with Bond and the girl at the end of the movie then not even mentioning her in the next...
    My prediction for a while has been that Blofeld won't return, but Swann will. The Blofeld storyline was closed by the end of Spectre, the Swann storyline wasn't. Also, don't forget the rumours about Bond getting married in Bond 25.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @CASINOROYALE, well, a little retconning established that; it's not like they planned it from the get go. SF definitely wasn't a follow up to QoS, but it seemed to become that way thanks to SP.

    I think they would've been better off keeping the same angle of SP without trying to bring back all the prior connections, even if that meant we lose out on Mr. White. Would've been great to have Bond and MI6 shocked by the prowess and secrecy of Quantum a few films prior, just to realize that was nothing compared to SPECTRE. Connecting the two didn't work for me, especially Silva being a part of it all.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Bentley007 wrote: »
    My question is, if there is no distribution deal or director how would Christoph even know if he was coming back?
    Either there is more decided than we are aware of or Waltz is unsure and just saying no.

    They have been working on a script for quite some time now, haven't they? I can only assume it doesn't call for Blofeld and he's letting it be known. It's either that or an assumption of his.

    I honestly don't buy that they'll try to hide Blofeld's appearance for two films in a row.
    Agreed. Plus I'm quite certain Craig wouldn't commit without a script that pleases him, so the script is probably at a reasonably advanced stage of development, such that certain characters will know if they are back or not.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
    Posts: 3,675
    This is the worst news for the Bond franchise ever and the next movie will automatically suck.

    They literally just released a movie saying that Blofeld and Spectre we’re behind everything that happened and they are still a big threat. Sam Mendes and the writers ruined Spectre. If EON can get it together then they could have a great last film for Craig. Why go to the trouble of connecting every film only to say oh this is a stand-alone...

    Soo what about Madeline? Are they just going to forget about her and not mention her? They already established each film in Craig’s series is a follow up. If this was back in the day I wouldn’t care because they could get away with Bond and the girl at the end of the movie then not even mentioning her in the next...

    I have to agree with you. Why go through the trouble of getting the rights to SPECTRE and then feature them in only one movie? I wanted another from Waltz. I'm so very disappointed if this is true.

    I just hope Waltz is lying. And secondly, do they have a script then if he's not lying?
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @CASINOROYALE, well, a little retconning established that; it's not like they planned it from the get go. SF definitely wasn't a follow up to QoS, but it seemed to become that way thanks to SP.

    I think they would've been better off keeping the same angle of SP without trying to bring back all the prior connections, even if that meant we lose out on Mr. White. Would've been great to have Bond and MI6 shocked by the prowess and secrecy of Quantum a few films prior, just to realize that was nothing compared to SPECTRE. Connecting the two didn't work for me, especially Silva being a part of it all.


    Yeah that’s exactly how I pictured it.
    They randomly decided hey let’s conndct everything. I remember the producers saying CR and Qos were connected and that was it. So the big problem is that wouldn’t all of the Spectre agents still be out there?
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    Soo what about Madeline? Are they just going to forget about her and not mention her? They already established each film in Craig’s series is a follow up. If this was back in the day I wouldn’t care because they could get away with Bond and the girl at the end of the movie then not even mentioning her in the next...
    My prediction for a while has been that Blofeld won't return, but Swann will. The Blofeld storyline was closed by the end of Spectre, the Swann storyline wasn't. Also, don't forget the rumours about Bond getting married in Bond 25.

    I dont think the 'marriage' theory will be used,i think ,by this move with Waltz,they are heading for a big TSWLM type ending for CraigBond.


  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    I didn't watch the video out of laziness but was there any sort of statement that Blofeld wouldn't be back or just not Waltz? Perhaps he doesn't want to do it?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2017 Posts: 23,883
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Soo what about Madeline? Are they just going to forget about her and not mention her? They already established each film in Craig’s series is a follow up. If this was back in the day I wouldn’t care because they could get away with Bond and the girl at the end of the movie then not even mentioning her in the next...
    My prediction for a while has been that Blofeld won't return, but Swann will. The Blofeld storyline was closed by the end of Spectre, the Swann storyline wasn't. Also, don't forget the rumours about Bond getting married in Bond 25.

    I dont think the 'marriage' theory will be used,i think ,by this move with Waltz,they are heading for a big TSWLM type ending for CraigBond.
    I honestly can't see this at all. That's not something Craig will fit into, given how they've approached his tenure to date. I think we're looking at Logan. Aged Bond. Different setting and different scenario like that film. Either that or something quite different again entirely.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    If Waltz is correct, and he said in the past that he'd only return if Craig did, then it has to be a decision from the writers not incorporating him into it and going with a different angle for his final installment. Because I'm sure Waltz wouldn't have elected to not appear if they wanted him back.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    edited October 2017 Posts: 1,003
    Soo what about Madeline? Are they just going to forget about her and not mention her? They already established each film in Craig’s series is a follow up. If this was back in the day I wouldn’t care because they could get away with Bond and the girl at the end of the movie then not even mentioning her in the next...
    My prediction for a while has been that Blofeld won't return, but Swann will. The Blofeld storyline was closed by the end of Spectre, the Swann storyline wasn't. Also, don't forget the rumours about Bond getting married in Bond 25.


    I hope not because they would have to kill her off. I could see a real Blofeld appearing (Mark Strong) and them saying Oberhauser was just someone from Bond’s childhood and they wanted to toy with Bond. Think about it.

    The plots so far.

    1) Finacing

    2) Finacing

    3) Killing M

    4) Controlling all of the intelligence networks in the world. (Also killing Bond).

    5. Blank

    “So Oberhauser....He wasn’t the real Blofeld?”

    “Right. You’re catching on.”

    “A man from my past with a personal vendetta. Jealous over my relationship with his father?”

    “Exactly. Case closed. Spectre operating in the shadows yet again..”

    “It was a good plan Blofeld. Too bad it didn’t last.”

    I swear I can write better dialogue than P&W is it really that hard?!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I think the next film's expectations have become unpredictable until they offer us a premise. And that's over a year from now.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    Seems kinda strange that we know nothing and Waltz is already saying he won't return.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    If Waltz is correct, and he said in the past that he'd only return if Craig did, then it has to be a decision from the writers not incorporating him into it and going with a different angle for his final installment. Because I'm sure Waltz wouldn't have elected to not appear if they wanted him back.
    He had one chance to make a bad impression. I think he's known this for some time, hence his remarks a while back about not being happy about the portrayal and then recent remarks regarding Mendes (perhaps?).

    Speaking of whom, has anyone figured out what he's up to yet?
    I think the next film's expectations have become unpredictable until they offer us a premise. And that's over a year from now.
    They have that premise already, otherwise I can't see why Craig committed. They've kept a great lock on it so far, and I'm sure that thing is guarded like Fort Knox due to what happened last time. You're right, we won't hear anything for a while yet.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Does anyone else find it weird crew members are confirming involvement with the film and Craig coming out at the time he did? So it’s obvious certain people are already a part of the movie. I wouldn’t be surprised if we already had a director and a cast. They are just keeping us in the dark. Why would Waltz say he’s not involved if we allegedly have no director...
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    Okay. Waltz wasn't amazing anyway so I can live with some other threat/villain killing Madeline and bringing Bond out of retirement, even though that does make things even more contrived. But if they don't address Spectre at all then I'll be pissed off. If they wanted a fresh start/stand alone, they should have gone all out and got a new guy. SP worked as a nice ending for the Craig era anyway. But since Craig is back they should commit and finish what they started instead of going "oh people didn't like that film, nevermind, doesn't matter guys".

    If after all that retconning and continuity they quietly sweep SP under the rug for a stand alone Bond film with Craig (delaying an actual fresh start by probably the best part of a decade) then it better be a really good one to justify that. This news has really killed my enthusiasm to be honest. Seems like I should give up hope on getting anything close to YOLT.
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    EON are basically in a 'no win situation' whatever they choose.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Seems kinda strange that we know nothing and Waltz is already saying he won't return.

    Well he did star in the previous installment. We're merely die-hard fans on an Internet forum. He'd definitely be privy to that sort of information.

    @bondjames, I've lost track. Seems like he's attached to a movie for a while and then he's not. The only thing he's attached to on IMDB is The Voyeur's Motel, but I could've swore that whole project sort of died out.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Okay. Waltz wasn't amazing anyway so I can live with some other threat/villain killing Madeline and bringing Bond out of retirement, even though that does make things even more contrived. But if they don't address Spectre at all then I'll be pissed off. If they wanted a fresh start/stand alone, they should have gone all out and got a new guy. SP worked as a nice ending for the Craig era anyway. But since Craig is back they should commit and finish what they started instead of going "oh people didn't like that film, nevermind, doesn't matter guys".

    If after all that retconning and continuity they quietly sweep SP under the rug for a stand alone Bond film with Craig (delaying an actual fresh start by probably the best part of a decade) then it better be a really good one to justify that. This news has really killed my enthusiasm to be honest. Seems like I should give up hope on getting anything close to YOLT.
    I agree you with you almost completely. I'm more enthusiastic only because I didn't like SP or any of the main characters, and so will be quite happy if they don't come back. In terms of taking the opportunity for a clean break, I definitely agree that they should have seized it. The only part that doesn't fit what we're hearing so far is Craig.

    Thanks @Creasy47, that's what I thought. Yes, Voyeur's Motel fell through. I know he's got some theatre work but that's about it.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    And as I've said in the past, you'd struggle to find a handful of general audience members who will be lining up in 2019 (an entire four years after SP) going "Wait...where's Madeleine Swann?!" The only ones upset with a "lack of continuity" (i.e. no Swann/Blofeld) will be us.

    @bondjames, no worries. I thought he was attached to a live-action Disney remake at some point, too, but perhaps plans changed on that, too.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    This idea that EON has some obligation to "finish what they started" for the sake of some neurotic need for symmetry or closure for the small percentage of viewers who were even semi-interested in the continuity seems naive and unrealistic. After seeing the public and critical reaction that they got from CR to QOS, and then SF to SP, they would be daft to cling onto what ever plan they had in mind just because it was the plan. Their priority is to make successful film, not to scratch any nerdy itch.

    Exactly what i was saying....old heads think alike @Birdleson ..agree 100000%.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Bentley007 wrote: »
    My question is, if there is no distribution deal or director how would Christoph even know if he was coming back?
    Either there is more decided than we are aware of or Waltz is unsure and just saying no.

    They have been working on a script for quite some time now, haven't they? I can only assume it doesn't call for Blofeld and he's letting it be known. It's either that or an assumption of his.

    I honestly don't buy that they'll try to hide Blofeld's appearance for two films in a row.
    Agreed. Plus I'm quite certain Craig wouldn't commit without a script that pleases him, so the script is probably at a reasonably advanced stage of development, such that certain characters will know if they are back or not.

    I know I will be called a blasphemist, but I strongly suspect that Craig would say yes to anything that delivers him the last really big paycheck of his career. Also it's not so that's his career was overcrowded with great quality scripts/movies, so I don't really there is real merit to the theory that he puts a Premium on quality scripts.
  • Birdleson wrote: »
    This idea that EON has some obligation to "finish what they started" for the sake of some neurotic need for symmetry or closure for the small percentage of viewers who were even semi-interested in the continuity seems naive and unrealistic. After seeing the public and critical reaction that they got from CR to QOS, and then SF to SP, they would be daft to cling onto what ever plan they had in mind just because it was the plan. Their priority is to make successful film, not to scratch any nerdy itch.

    I get that, but it's not like SP wasn't successful. Reviews were decent overall, and it made more money than CR and QoS. I don't think the public would have cared if Bond 25 is a sequel or not as long as it's a good film. But to me it just seems weird to get Craig back if they do want a clean break, especially since SP seemed to wrap up that storyline so neatly. Plus on a personal level I'm annoyed that they seem to have missed the chance to do YOLT properly. Could be ages before they get that opportunity again.
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