SPECTRE Production Timeline

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    Yes, that helps a lot! Thanks. :)

    I'm glad.

    More on the Rome deal.. the fact that we actually have details of it being a car chase on a certain street in a certain city is clearly outlining a (small) part of the story, and so far is really the heaviest detail we've gotten as far as Bond 24's story details go.

    I can see how some may see that as a spoiler, but really its just one sequence in a two hour+ film. I'm okay knowing about it, but perhaps in the future spoiler tags with a written warning of something like 'Potential Spoiler about a stunt sequence' and then the spoiler tag would be courteous to other members.

    You'll notice I left 'car chase' out of the thread title and included 'Potential Spoilers'. I've amended that as it seemed to be alright. I think it weeded out all those who were apprehensive about even the minor details, but its better for them to have a fair warning. I understand if some no longer want to tune in to this thread.

    Some members assumed, double emphasis on assumed, automatically that the car chase would be the PTS. That wasn't rumored or even mentioned in any of the articles. That's a perfect example of bad speculation, as some members now feel the PTS has been spoiled for them even though there is nothing to allude to that. Yet.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
    edited August 2014 Posts: 11,362
    Yes, Rome can show up at any time in the film. Nothing is confirmed or hinted at when it would appear.

    If someone does not even want to know where Bond 24 is filming on location, that may mean it is time for them to take a leave of absence. There will come a time when I leave for sure (for Skyfall I ducked out and had about a 2 month wait before I saw the film in the theater). Everybody needs to proceed at their own risk from now on. ;)

    Spoiler tags, consistently used, help a lot.
  • StrelikStrelik Spectre Island
    edited August 2014 Posts: 105
    Logan makes everything really dull and somber, I'm glad Purvis and Wade are rewriting it.
    One hopes they do not use the exact, unaltered dialogue penned by P+W. The one undeniable failing of Purvis and Wade is their less-than-stellar dialogue. They are good at crafting "action scenarios," but not smooth conversations. Let's hope Mendes employs an unaccredited script doctor to do a "dialogue polish" on this new, second draft by P + W.

    Then again, there are alternate possibilities... One of the reasons Skyfall's dialogue was quite smooth was that Mendes had the cast "lightly redo" their lines in the script rehearsals. Perhaps Mendes will improve the dialogue as pre-production continues... Who knows.

    At the very least, I still have faith in Mendes.


  • edited August 2014 Posts: 5,747
    Strelik wrote: »
    Logan makes everything really dull and somber, I'm glad Purvis and Wade are rewriting it.
    The one undeniable failing of Purvis and Wade is their less-than-stellar dialogue. Let's hope Mendes utilizes an unaccredited script doctor to "polish" this second draft by P + W. Then again, there are alternate possibilities... One of the reasons Skyfall's dialogue was quite smooth was that Mendes reportedly had the cast "lightly redo" their lines in script rehearsals.

    I just hope they do not use the dialogue by P+W verbatim.

    I think they forgot to go back and fix the "VW Beetles, I think" line. Or maybe Naomi is just that lame and nobody wanted to tell her. :P
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
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    And they had to get the product placement in somehow.
  • edited August 2014 Posts: 2,275
    LOL. I knew it - "substantial changes" to the script. I bet that means a fair bit more action unfortunately coupled with cheesy humour. If Logan did scribe a gritty, cold, dark screenplay with good character movement it would have been right up my alley. It won't happen though in Bond films. Each film must pretty much be a carbon copy of the next unfortunately but that's Bond I guess. I don't have the excitement that I used to for these movies. My interest diminishes by the day. I would have preferred to have Campbell as director. Mendes I think, wants to make Bond films more in the Goldfinger mold where as I prefer Bond flicks more along the lines of Dr No, FRWL, OHMSS, TLD, LTK and Casino Royale.
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    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    Strelik wrote: »
    Logan makes everything really dull and somber, I'm glad Purvis and Wade are rewriting it.
    The one undeniable failing of Purvis and Wade is their less-than-stellar dialogue. Let's hope Mendes utilizes an unaccredited script doctor to "polish" this second draft by P + W. Then again, there are alternate possibilities... One of the reasons Skyfall's dialogue was quite smooth was that Mendes reportedly had the cast "lightly redo" their lines in script rehearsals.

    I just hope they do not use the dialogue by P+W verbatim.

    I think they forgot to go back and fix the "VW Beetles, I think" line. Or maybe Naomi is just that lame and nobody wanted to tell her. :P
    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    Strelik wrote: »
    Logan makes everything really dull and somber, I'm glad Purvis and Wade are rewriting it.
    The one undeniable failing of Purvis and Wade is their less-than-stellar dialogue. Let's hope Mendes utilizes an unaccredited script doctor to "polish" this second draft by P + W. Then again, there are alternate possibilities... One of the reasons Skyfall's dialogue was quite smooth was that Mendes reportedly had the cast "lightly redo" their lines in script rehearsals.

    I just hope they do not use the dialogue by P+W verbatim.

    I think they forgot to go back and fix the "VW Beetles, I think" line. Or maybe Naomi is just that lame and nobody wanted to tell her. :P

    "V W Beetles" didn't even need to be mentioned. The fact that the cars were there was enough! Appalling.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited August 2014 Posts: 11,090
    Why do some of you allow yourselves to be so bothered by product placement? It's such an unnecessary concern to get worked up about.
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    Bounine wrote: »
    LOL. I knew it - "substantial changes" to the script. I bet that means a fair bit more action unfortunately coupled with cheesy humour. If Logan did scribe a gritty, cold, dark screenplay with good character movement it would have been right up my alley. It won't happen though in Bond films. Each film must pretty much be a carbon copy of the next unfortunately but that's Bond I guess. I don't have the excitement that I used to for these movies. My interest diminishes by the day. I would have preferred to have Campbell as director. Mendes I think, wants to make Bond films more in the Goldfinger mold where as I prefer Bond flicks more along the lines of Dr No, FRWL, OHMSS, TLD, LTK and Casino Royale.

    Substantial changes may be the plot. Actually, a change that is substantial in a script seems to indicate, to me at least, plot rewriting, not one liners which are cosmetic. And Logan, with all his qualities, makes rather thin plots.
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    So hopefully they kept the good things, Logan MIGHT have brought to the plate, like dialogue and just add some excitement.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Well, that's what Bond movies should be filled with, excitement and escapism. Logan imo contributes a lot of dullness. Look at his work on penny dreadful, as interesting as the show is, it's more rife with potential than fulfilling it and TGS real good thing about that show is Eva Green but considering the characters involved in the show, the whole thing is noticeably underwhelming.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
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    Yeah, the writing for Penny Dreadful was not my cup of tea to be nice about it. Not good. I was glad other writers came in for Bond 24 - just surprised at first it was P&W, but now I'm happier it's them.
  • Posts: 12,083
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Well, that's what Bond movies should be filled with, excitement and escapism. Logan imo contributes a lot of dullness. Look at his work on penny dreadful, as interesting as the show is, it's more rife with potential than fulfilling it and TGS real good thing about that show is Eva Green but considering the characters involved in the show, the whole thing is noticeably underwhelming.

    Logan is a character writer and a dialogue writer. As a plot writer he is mediocre, at best. And he lacks the gift of Elmore Leonard to have plots spring from the characters. This is not pure criticism: what he does, he does very well, but he has his limits.
  • edited August 2014 Posts: 1,508
    Sounds like a win win scenario for Purvis and Wade. If they've had to come to the rescue and save Bond 24's screenplay then

    A) it's reasonable to assume they wanted a fair bit of money, perhaps more than usual to fix the screenplay,

    B) they've got a job for 'life' writing all future Bond films.

    Purvis and Wade did say they wanted to move away from Bond and do other stuff but their rewriting sounds as it's been quite significant so I wouldn't be surprised if they're back for Bond 25 and even Bond 26 which could be with a new Bond actor.

    The downside to all this is... if you're not a fan of Purvis and Wade's writing you're stuck with them! =; The Broccolis love 'em so expect more invisible cars in future Bond films!
  • edited August 2014 Posts: 1,984
    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    The way I want us to approach is sort of.. what do you expect to see in the trailers? They wont show M. dying, Bond's parents' graves, etc in anything promotional, because that's the big hook of the story, or rather the 'surprise'.

    This is Sony :) Anything can happen. After a surprise $1b box office result, maybe Bond 24 will receive the Spiderman treatment, who knows ?!
    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    I think we can still achieve my initial desired result detailing the when and who and how everything happened during production without ruining the story of the film.

    The matter is that it's a bit after the fact that we know what is a minor spoiler and what is a big one.
    About the trailer of Skyfall : the first 1:30 minute are simply a summary of the whole first half of the movie, shown in order ! Knowing half of the story sounds like a big spoiler, though !

    Now let's consider a point like "Bardem has blond hair, he seems to play a flamboyant character".

    It's shown in the trailer. And, yet, during production, they took care to hide that. Remember all the hypothesis when Marketto posted that photo of Bardem hiding his face and yet we could spot some blond stuff (was it a weird fur ?). So it was not a spoiler at all from the producers' point of view (since it's in the trailer), but for the marketing it was very important that Bardem's look was revealed only during the promo, and not months ahead.

    Imagine "Tanner dies" : if it happens near the end, major spoiler. If it happens within 5 minutes and is the driving force behind the revenge story (because, you know, this time it's personal), it's a very minor one that will be in every trailer...

    There's no miracle solution I'm afraid.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    The downside to all this is... if you're not a fan of Purvis and Wade's writing you're stuck with them! =; The Broccolis love 'em so expect more invisible cars in future Bond films!

    This is an example of precisely why P&W's contribution perpetuates a rather confusing basis from where so much disdain towards them comes from, when such comments as the above are made.

    Read the below article

    http://www.mi6-hq.com/news/?itemid=10807

    As has already been highlighted by myself and others and what is universally agreed upon; this writing duo know Bond and know Fleming and they are aware and acknowledge the ridiculousness but as they state, and it's important to understand, it was Tamahori that elevated the concept of the invisible car to ridiculous levels of stupidity and everything else that was absurd in DAD was also coming from the "brilliant" mind of Tamahori. Seriously, I think these guys get a raw deal based on unfounded hearsay and misinformation.
  • doubleoego wrote: »
    Seriously, I think these guys get a raw deal based on unfounded hearsay and misinformation.

    There's also the fact that almost no one would dare to say they can act better than..., no one would dare to say they can light better than..., no one would dare to say they can direct better than..., no one would dare to say they can compose better than..., no one would dare to say they can make a stunt better than... etc. But tell a better story ? Almost everyone :)

  • 007InVT007InVT Classified
    edited August 2014 Posts: 893
    For the love of God, why can't the Broccolis pony up for a good writer/director team like Christopher Nolan and his brother Jonathan.

    Or the Matthew Vaughan/Jane Goldman combination?

    Danny Boyle even.

    Sure, P&W were credited with the CR script but how much of that was Paul Haggis' efforts?

    Oh well, back to literary 007 for me now.

  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Bounine wrote: »
    LOL. I knew it - "substantial changes" to the script. I bet that means a fair bit more action unfortunately coupled with cheesy humour. If Logan did scribe a gritty, cold, dark screenplay with good character movement it would have been right up my alley. It won't happen though in Bond films. Each film must pretty much be a carbon copy of the next unfortunately but that's Bond I guess. I don't have the excitement that I used to for these movies. My interest diminishes by the day. I would have preferred to have Campbell as director. Mendes I think, wants to make Bond films more in the Goldfinger mold where as I prefer Bond flicks more along the lines of Dr No, FRWL, OHMSS, TLD, LTK and Casino Royale.

    I don't quite agree. I have a bit more confidence in Lenses Craig and P&W as a team. Logan was never my choice. The combo produced a good script for Skyfall so I haven't written anything off... keep holding on to Mendes as the helm and his talent to know and tell a good story. We want a great movie and they want a great movie... so hope they stay pumped and ready to go.. but yay finally a shooting script.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    And i meant Mendes not lenses ...stupid autocorrect.
  • edited August 2014 Posts: 2,167
    007InVT wrote: »
    For the love of God, why can't the Broccolis pony up for a good writer/director team like Christopher Nolan and his brother Jonathan.

    Or the Matthew Vaughan/Jane Goldman combination?

    Danny Boyle even.

    Sure, P&W were credited with the CR script but how much of that was Paul Haggis' efforts?

    Oh well, back to literary 007 for me now.

    This can help you.
    I have no idea why P&W have got such a bad wrap over the years. They are not the best writers but they can hardly be blamed for the the more banal recent entries.

    - I for one really love TWINE and think their contribution on the script was great. Their draft of the script is online and it reads very well.
    - DAD was not their fault. They were working with an unruly director who really didn't know what he was doing. Film is director's medium and I know for fact both P&W regret how DAD came together as Tamahori really bulldozed down a lot of their ideas.
    - CR was pretty much all P&W except for the more meaty character segments. For me the plot and structure of CR is rather good not brilliant but good. I actually think that Haggis was the one who gave that film the magic it has.
    -QOS was affected by the writer's strike and ironically after saving CR I think Haggis pressed the self-destruct button here. There is a little too much Haggis in the script.
    - From what I've heard P&W came up with the story and structure of SF but all the dialogue is Logan's. If that is the case than the actual plotting of SF is first rate and the story they came up with is rather marvellous.

    I'm glad they're back. They know the Bond brand well and getting them to bring out the 'Bond' in a Bond script always felt like an inevitable thing. I think it's likely that they will use the next 4 months to keep working on the script and it's even more likely Logan will return as well.

  • edited August 2014 Posts: 4,441
    We have known for a while that Bond 24 will me shot on film but what if it ended up being partially shot in IMAX 70 mm? How great would that be? Only a handful of feature films have been partially shot in the IMAX format so far, like The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises or the upcoming Interstellar.

    (Yes, Skyfall was the first Bond film to be released in IMAX cinemas but non of it was shot in the IMAX format.)
  • Well, you're the one who claim to know for weeks who will be Bond 24's DOP, so you should know :) Me, when I said I had had very bad hearsay about Bond 24's development status, I made it IMO quite clear I had info from the previz side, and it lasted only a few days before rumours about the script were made public... We still don't know your source, and we still haven't heard about the DOP, though.

    Also, @JWESTBROOK, I had a look at the summary on the very first page. There's only one thing I would remove for sure from the list, that's the "crazy rumor" about Charlotte Rampling. In fact, it wasn't even a rumor, it was from a parody website who keeps on using "XXX is the next Bond girl" template to create automatically their false reports.

    Ie : http://en.mediamass.net/search?q="next+Bond+girl"

    So it's an Internet artefact : some randomly generated paper is taken by Google's algorithms as "news", but no one actually wrote it based on an actual rumor.

    For instance :

    http://en.mediamass.net/people/scarlett-johansson/james-bond.html



  • Posts: 4,441
    very bad hearsay about Bond 24's development status

    Is it safe to say that the situation is not that dire anymore?
  • edited August 2014 Posts: 5,747
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    And i meant Mendes not lenses ...stupid autocorrect.

    For the future keep in mind you can simply edit your post.. even on mobile.

    And @Suivez_ce_parachute , I've already stated no character deaths will be mentioned. I know it was just an example though, but if it is the promotional material it is okay to discuss. So Tanner dying in this case would be fine. The original rumors would be spoiler tagged and once it was revealed in the trailer and plot synopsis as Bonds motivation it would be open game.
  • edited August 2014 Posts: 9,905
    A new article in Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet, shares some news about possible filming in Norway:
    http://www.dagbladet.no/2014/08/02/kultur/film/james_bond/34592989/

    To sum up the article, the Australian filmmaker Jason Roberts, currently living on Svalbard, confirmed to the newspaper that the Bond producers were considering the island group as a possible filming location. They requested image material, but later chose to use the Austrian alps.

    Roberts tells that the producers were looking for a location fitting Svalbard, but recent script changes (Purvis and Wade?), made Svalbard unsuitable.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
    Posts: 11,362
    Ohhhhh. How I would have loved for Norway to actually been filmed. Sigh ...

    Austria has snow and will be quite lovely. Norway would have been special.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited August 2014 Posts: 9,117
    Bounine wrote: »
    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    Strelik wrote: »
    Logan makes everything really dull and somber, I'm glad Purvis and Wade are rewriting it.
    The one undeniable failing of Purvis and Wade is their less-than-stellar dialogue. Let's hope Mendes utilizes an unaccredited script doctor to "polish" this second draft by P + W. Then again, there are alternate possibilities... One of the reasons Skyfall's dialogue was quite smooth was that Mendes reportedly had the cast "lightly redo" their lines in script rehearsals.

    I just hope they do not use the dialogue by P+W verbatim.

    I think they forgot to go back and fix the "VW Beetles, I think" line. Or maybe Naomi is just that lame and nobody wanted to tell her. :P
    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    Strelik wrote: »
    Logan makes everything really dull and somber, I'm glad Purvis and Wade are rewriting it.
    The one undeniable failing of Purvis and Wade is their less-than-stellar dialogue. Let's hope Mendes utilizes an unaccredited script doctor to "polish" this second draft by P + W. Then again, there are alternate possibilities... One of the reasons Skyfall's dialogue was quite smooth was that Mendes reportedly had the cast "lightly redo" their lines in script rehearsals.

    I just hope they do not use the dialogue by P+W verbatim.

    I think they forgot to go back and fix the "VW Beetles, I think" line. Or maybe Naomi is just that lame and nobody wanted to tell her. :P

    "V W Beetles" didn't even need to be mentioned. The fact that the cars were there was enough! Appalling.

    The thing I dont get with that is what exactly are VW getting out of that mention which is surely costing them millions?

    I can understand that Aston, Bollinger and Heineken pay top dollar because they can show shots from the film of Bond looking cool using their products but what can VW say after that?

    'When James Bond wants to knock some cars off a train and write them off whilst his companion appallingly delivers an awful line his car of choice is a VW'? Why is that going to sell more Beetles? Is the Bond association really so good for your brand that even having him smashing your product up is sufficient to have it fly off the shelves?
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,200
    A new article in Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet, shares some news about possible filming in Norway:
    http://www.dagbladet.no/2014/08/02/kultur/film/james_bond/34592989/

    To sum up the article, the Australian filmmaker Jason Roberts, currently living on Svalbard, confirmed to the newspaper that the Bond producers were considering the island group as a possible filming location. They requested image material, but later chose to use the Austrian alps.

    Roberts tells that the producers were looking for a location fitting Svalbard, but recent script changes (Purvis and Wade?), made Svalbard unsuitable.

    I'd like to know what changes and why they make Norway a no-go. Austria seems to be firming up, which is great, as long as good use is made of the snow.
  • Posts: 12,083
    We have seen relatively little of Austria, so it would be a good thing if the country shows up again. I would prefer Scandinavia, but I always thought it was going to be a long shot.
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