The things we want to return to the Bond movies.

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  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm watching SF as I type this.

    Get Deakins back. Pay him whatever he wants.
    Deakens is very good saying that his replacement wasn't bad either in SPECTRE what ever his name was some hoyte van hoytema or something
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    I thought Phil Méheux's photography for Casino Royale was better than SF and SP's.
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    Yeah they were excellent but I thought Méheux's work on Casino Royale was better.
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Yeah they were excellent but I thought Méheux's work on Casino Royale was better.

    Sounds suspiciously like an ideology of a member on another forum. He believes that SF's technical, critical and financial success provokes an antagonism toward SF because it has dethroned CR as Craig's best Bond film.

    What are you on about? I enjoyed Skyfall. I just said I think Méheux's work was better than Deakens and Van Hoytema. It sticks out more to me. I have nothing against Skyfall except Newman's score but I enjoyed it thoroughly.
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    Look beyond the words, my friend. Someone who rates CR's insipid cinematography of the Oscar nominated work of a thirteen time Academy Award nominee, there must be something else driving them.

    I tell things how I see them. I don't speak in riddles or any of that mumbo jumbo. I don't judge people's work by the awards they get. Nothing's driving me. I just said I think CR was better photographed whether you think it's insipid or not.

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Costa Mucho
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm watching SF as I type this.

    Get Deakins back. Pay him whatever he wants.
    Deakens is very good saying that his replacement wasn't bad either in SPECTRE what ever his name was some hoyte van hoytema or something

    Hoitytoityman is very good, but he suffers a bit from following Deakins.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    Look beyond the words, my friend. Someone who rates CR's insipid cinematography of the Oscar nominated work of a thirteen time Academy Award nominee, there must be something else driving them.
    I'm beginning to think your a troll.

  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Look beyond the words, my friend. Someone who rates CR's insipid cinematography of the Oscar nominated work of a thirteen time Academy Award nominee, there must be something else driving them.
    I'm beginning to think your a troll.
    Definitely comes from that CraigisNotBond drivel.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Having viewed a few of the classic Bond films recently, I really do miss the dubbing of characters, particularly the female ones. I can only imagine how impressive Denise Richards could have been with someone else doing the voice over.

    There's something to be said for the dubbing of all those actresses in the early films. They sound sexy as hell & it gives the films character. Bring back Nikki I say!
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    realistically:

    Daniel Craig
    Ben Whishaw
    Naomie Harris
    Ralph Fiennes
    Rory Kinnear
    Jeffrey Wright


    wishful thinking:

    Monica Bellucci
    Olga Kurylenko

  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    A Fleming title.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    These sort of posters. But only after they've recast with a younger, more traditional looking actor. It's time for Bond to get back on top and show everyone how it's done.

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  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    The "hand drawn" posters seem to be back in vogue at the minute- can't recall the film's name, but I recently saw a poster for some sci-fi film that reminded me of the hand drawn Star Wars posters of old. Eon should really consider bringing back that style after Spectre's atrocious marketing materials.
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    jake24 wrote: »
    Look beyond the words, my friend. Someone who rates CR's insipid cinematography of the Oscar nominated work of a thirteen time Academy Award nominee, there must be something else driving them.
    I'm beginning to think your a troll.
    Definitely comes from that CraigisNotBond drivel.

    As I said, I think Craig is fine - the writing of his character in CR is what I'm adverse to. He does a great job in SF.

    What are you adverse to re CraigBond in CR ?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2018 Posts: 23,883
    The "hand drawn" posters seem to be back in vogue at the minute- can't recall the film's name, but I recently saw a poster for some sci-fi film that reminded me of the hand drawn Star Wars posters of old. Eon should really consider bringing back that style after Spectre's atrocious marketing materials.
    Yes, I agree. SW still uses them and Marvel is doing it too. For the life of me I can't understand why the Bond theme dropped these. Part of their recent experimental phase I suppose. Time to get back to traditional as far as I'm concerned. Those old posters were so darn iconic and timeless. Love both Rog and Sean's pose above.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    .Exotic locations used to their full potential.
    .A score that is memorable in a good way.
    .Gorgeous, natural looking cinematography and colors.
    .Badass action.
    .A return to the style of CR/QOS.

    Well I can't find the Going Away thread, so I'm just going to say it here. Unless there's some Bond 25 news, I'll be gone until about the 12th. As you were my friends.
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    Don't know whether it's been said but I miss the henchman turning up for a final reel showdown as in LALD DAF! They missed a trick in SP by not having that excellent fight with Hinx at the very end! Imho
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    This is mostly prevalent in the older films, particularly GF and TMWTGG, but I love those moments where Bond and the villain are face to face, they bluntly acknowledge who each other is, and the villain departs, giving Bond the chance to not pursue him further and save his own skin. There's a bit of camaraderie, sportsmanship, and respect almost to the whole thing, I love it.

    On top of that, I can't state it enough: I want a return of Bond and a ton of allied soldiers/fighters going against the villain and a ton of his men in a grand, sweeping battle for a finale.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    This is mostly prevalent in the older films, particularly GF and TMWTGG, but I love those moments where Bond and the villain are face to face, they bluntly acknowledge who each other is, and the villain departs, giving Bond the chance to not pursue him further and save his own skin. There's a bit of camaraderie, sportsmanship, and respect almost to the whole thing, I love it.

    On top of that, I can't state it enough: I want a return of Bond and a ton of allied soldiers/fighters going against the villain and a ton of his men in a grand, sweeping battle for a finale.
    +1. Long overdue!!
  • David Arnold!

    Plus, more originality, no more Bond formula...it makes the movie become a parody of Fleming's character.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Bond formula is what makes a Bond film identifiable.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    David Arnold!

    I agree!
    Plus, more originality, no more Bond formula...it makes the movie become a parody of Fleming's character.

    But at what point does it stray so far that it’s no longer Bond? I say we’ve come dangerously close to this already in the Craig era, and this constant desire for originality and formula subversion has led to disasters like stepbrother gate.
  • mrlynxmrlynx Maine
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    What I miss the most from the old Bond films is the ally whom he meets in whatever country he’s in. They always served to immerse Bond into a different culture, and usually got him out of a scrap or two (quarrel, kerim, strutter, kamran). It was especially fun when they’d help Bond in exchange for some side mission or dirty deed on their own agenda that usually tied with the whole mission- such as killing krilencu or the raid on kristatos’ warehouse. Wouldn’t it be a nice twist on the current B25 rumors if Rami Malek was in this sort of role instead of as a villain?
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Many of the things that makes Bond such a great character have now to be modified and in some cases neutered.

    We will never see a Moneypenny relationship like the earlier films. In the Me Too age to have a man openly flirt and engage in witty dialogue simply won't work. This means to establish Bond as a ladies man you would have to find other plot devices. Maybe a return of Sylvia Trench or a character like her so we see Bond off duty and what he does. Craig's Bond hasn't really shown to have any seduction skills. Connery's Bond and Moore's Bond were openly looking at the women and enjoyed the attention and flirting. But I can't state the importance of the Bond Moneypenny relationship. It showed the audience that Bond was a man women wanted.

    We probably won't see a Bond who smokes again. This showed us that he was a cool customer. Even had his own brand. In today's society the smoker isn't seen as cool.

    The cultural stuff of the countries Bond visited I don't think will make a return. It slows down the pace too much given today's audiences sensibilities. Look at the time spent in DN with Bond questioning the bridge foursome at the club, or even Moore's Bond walking with Melina through the Greek markets getting supplies for the ship. Those scenes today wouldn't work. Though they are important for character development. I find those moments also highlight Bond and his ability to know all and immerse in the culture of where he is investigating or what he is doing. Craig's Bond is a man of action with little time for such frivolities. We move from one action piece to the next with very little investigating or sleuthing going on. Even the safe cracking of OHMSS would be either gone or greatly trimmed. A guy sitting in a chair watching a machine crack the safe. No need. However we lose the nice character touch of Bond browsing through a Playboy and later stealing the centrefold.

    I am afraid the Bond of old is gone and we have a man of action. The blunt instrument is still very much in play. I wish they would bring back the suave and sophistication of the character. I just don't think they could or that the mass audience would enjoy it as much as us hardcore fans.
  • mattjoesmattjoes ...and actor Cesare Danova in the role of "Actor"
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    thedove wrote: »
    I wish they would bring back the suave and sophistication of the character. I just don't think they could or that the mass audience would enjoy it as much as us hardcore fans.

    If this is true, I wonder why that is.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I think as a whole the movie going experience is much different. Audiences I don't think want suave they want action. Look at Mission Impossible. It's crazy stunts and somewhat generic plots. Try to tell me the name of any villain in this movie series. The things we remember are the stunts. Oh that's the one where he jumped onto the plane. That's the one he swan underwater without oxygen.

    It's no longer about character it's action.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    thedove wrote: »
    I think as a whole the movie going experience is much different. Audiences I don't think want suave they want action. Look at Mission Impossible. It's crazy stunts and somewhat generic plots. Try to tell me the name of any villain in this movie series. The things we remember are the stunts. Oh that's the one where he jumped onto the plane. That's the one he swan underwater without oxygen.

    It's no longer about character it's action.

    But Brosnan did suaveness with action. There’s no reason that you can’t have over-the-top stunts and still focus on plot and character. What Bond needs to do is return to the Brosnan era style.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited March 2019 Posts: 4,479
    Birdleson wrote: »
    mrlynx wrote: »
    What I miss the most from the old Bond films is the ally whom he meets in whatever country he’s in. They always served to immerse Bond into a different culture, and usually got him out of a scrap or two (quarrel, kerim, strutter, kamran).

    I've been pushing your secondary point for years on here. I prefer when the films, like the novels, focused on (mainly) one primary location. Immersive indeed. I miss that. Same with the "thematic" Bond films; TB was the underwater Bond adventure, YOLT the martial arts, OHMSS the skiing, LALD Bond vs. Black People and so on. I remember first feeling that slip away seeing TSWLM in the theatre; skiing to underwater to a train...it was a hodgepodge. It's a TopTen to this day, but I remember that cramming in of too much did bother me, and slightly hurt the film in my estimation.

    A good post. TSWLM would have benefited from more Cairo and less everywhere else, I think. LALD jumped around a bit too much, and by QoS and SP, way too much.

    Location is also one reason why CR worked. It took its time and settled in in "Montenegro," only moving to Venice toward the end.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    thedove wrote: »
    I think as a whole the movie going experience is much different. Audiences I don't think want suave they want action. Look at Mission Impossible. It's crazy stunts and somewhat generic plots. Try to tell me the name of any villain in this movie series. The things we remember are the stunts. Oh that's the one where he jumped onto the plane. That's the one he swan underwater without oxygen.

    It's no longer about character it's action.
    But Brosnan did suaveness with action. There’s no reason that you can’t have over-the-top stunts and still focus on plot and character. What Bond needs to do is return to the Brosnan era style.
    +1
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    thedove wrote: »
    I think as a whole the movie going experience is much different. Audiences I don't think want suave they want action. Look at Mission Impossible. It's crazy stunts and somewhat generic plots. Try to tell me the name of any villain in this movie series. The things we remember are the stunts. Oh that's the one where he jumped onto the plane. That's the one he swan underwater without oxygen.

    It's no longer about character it's action.
    But Brosnan did suaveness with action. There’s no reason that you can’t have over-the-top stunts and still focus on plot and character. What Bond needs to do is return to the Brosnan era style.
    +1

    +2
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