The things we want to return to the Bond movies.

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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    thedove wrote: »
    I think as a whole the movie going experience is much different. Audiences I don't think want suave they want action. Look at Mission Impossible. It's crazy stunts and somewhat generic plots. Try to tell me the name of any villain in this movie series. The things we remember are the stunts. Oh that's the one where he jumped onto the plane. That's the one he swan underwater without oxygen.

    It's no longer about character it's action.
    But Brosnan did suaveness with action. There’s no reason that you can’t have over-the-top stunts and still focus on plot and character. What Bond needs to do is return to the Brosnan era style.
    +1
    Better dialogue, less Rambo, but I agree that taking some steps back in that direction would be refreshing.
    Wouldn’t mind the Rambo aspect if not overdone. I agree about the dialogues, however. As much as I enjoy and laugh at lines like “I’ve been known to keep my tip up,” it’s also cringeworthy. Keep the same Sean Connery/Roger Moore spirit, but make them not sound like parodies. It’ll be perfect.
  • SMC514SMC514 Station C
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    Things I'm hoping to see for Bond 25 or 26 & Beyond

    - A proper gunbarrel. They still haven't nailed it. Use the classic Barry cue with a guitar or string ending, transition with an opening iris and don't have Bond waving his gun around before he turns and fires. Is it that hard to do? They haven't done so since 1987. As M would say; "Christ I miss the cold war!"

    -Bond on a MISSION. This has been said time and time again and I'll say it one more time. No more Rogue Bond or Revenge of the Craig. Tom Cruise made a better Bond movie than EON by taking the simple affair of the main character being assigned a mission and doing a bloody good job of it.

    -NO MORE RETCONNING OR BACKSTORY. They had such a good start with Craig in Casino by establishing all we needed to know to understand Bond as a character yet they have to put all this background story in Skyfall and Spectre. The reason we love Bond and the reason he gets all the women is because he is a man of MYSTERY. You accept him for who he is regardless of the reasons he is the way he is. This mystery enforces Bond's status as a badass. You think we would love Connery's Bond as much if we knew he was an adopted step brother to Donald Plescence's Blofeld? I think not....
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    SMC514 wrote: »
    Things I'm hoping to see for Bond 25 or 26 & Beyond

    - A proper gunbarrel. They still haven't nailed it. Use the classic Barry cue with a guitar or string ending, transition with an opening iris and don't have Bond waving his gun around before he turns and fires. Is it that hard to do? They haven't done so since 1987. As M would say; "Christ I miss the cold war!"

    -Bond on a MISSION. This has been said time and time again and I'll say it one more time. No more Rogue Bond or Revenge of the Craig. Tom Cruise made a better Bond movie than EON by taking the simple affair of the main character being assigned a mission and doing a bloody good job of it.

    -NO MORE RETCONNING OR BACKSTORY. They had such a good start with Craig in Casino by establishing all we needed to know to understand Bond as a character yet they have to put all this background story in Skyfall and Spectre. The reason we love Bond and the reason he gets all the women is because he is a man of MYSTERY. You accept him for who he is regardless of the reasons he is the way he is. This mystery enforces Bond's status as a badass. You think we would love Connery's Bond as much if we knew he was an adopted step brother to Donald Plescence's Blofeld? I think not....
    Well said, sir.

    Unfortunately, B25 will be yet another personal thriller for our hero. So, we can shelve the thought of "Bond on a mission" and "No personal angles/backstories" until the one after the current.
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    thedove wrote: »
    I think as a whole the movie going experience is much different. Audiences I don't think want suave they want action. Look at Mission Impossible. It's crazy stunts and somewhat generic plots. Try to tell me the name of any villain in this movie series. The things we remember are the stunts. Oh that's the one where he jumped onto the plane. That's the one he swan underwater without oxygen.

    It's no longer about character it's action.

    That might be a good reason for Bond to aim for more style over non-stop action. They can differentiate 007 from other action series. Why just copy MI?
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    vzok wrote: »
    thedove wrote: »
    I think as a whole the movie going experience is much different. Audiences I don't think want suave they want action. Look at Mission Impossible. It's crazy stunts and somewhat generic plots. Try to tell me the name of any villain in this movie series. The things we remember are the stunts. Oh that's the one where he jumped onto the plane. That's the one he swan underwater without oxygen.

    It's no longer about character it's action.

    That might be a good reason for Bond to aim for more style over non-stop action. They can differentiate 007 from other action series. Why just copy MI?

    As MI has copied the EON series and done so very well it might be nice to see decent actionscenes instead of the average actionscenes we had in recent times. It I want to see one single tortured escapee take down an entire enemy stronghold and destroy it to the ground I will watch a Terminator movie.
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    David Arnold.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou. I can still hear my old hound dog barkin'.
    Posts: 8,744
    SMC514 wrote: »
    Things I'm hoping to see for Bond 25 or 26 & Beyond

    - A proper gunbarrel. They still haven't nailed it. Use the classic Barry cue with a guitar or string ending, transition with an opening iris and don't have Bond waving his gun around before he turns and fires. Is it that hard to do? They haven't done so since 1987. As M would say; "Christ I miss the cold war!"

    -Bond on a MISSION. This has been said time and time again and I'll say it one more time. No more Rogue Bond or Revenge of the Craig. Tom Cruise made a better Bond movie than EON by taking the simple affair of the main character being assigned a mission and doing a bloody good job of it.

    -NO MORE RETCONNING OR BACKSTORY. They had such a good start with Craig in Casino by establishing all we needed to know to understand Bond as a character yet they have to put all this background story in Skyfall and Spectre. The reason we love Bond and the reason he gets all the women is because he is a man of MYSTERY. You accept him for who he is regardless of the reasons he is the way he is. This mystery enforces Bond's status as a badass. You think we would love Connery's Bond as much if we knew he was an adopted step brother to Donald Plescence's Blofeld? I think not....

    I don't give a damn about the gunbarrel. I still can't tell the difference since the early days of Dr. No except that I vaguely remember the early "Bond" character had a hat on, and that there was a major upheaval among the faithful when at some time the producers dared showing a CGI bullet coming from the barrel. So what? Doesn't interest me in the least. As I said before, it's like comparing the Mercedes-Benz stars in a parking lot. Futile.

    Regarding the other two, I don't agree that there was no "mission" in the last two films. But I do definitle agree that there needs to be no more backstory. The whole foster brother Bloberhauser thing was the most idiotic thing the producers have allowed in the last 50 years, and if they just ignore it without further explanation in the next movie, I won't ask any questions and be fine with it.
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    A villain with a briefing like Goldfinger and Fort Knox, 006 in the secret base in Goldeneye. That means an realistic, but over the top plan A standalone mission . You have to have a great opening sequence again. The DB5 must be included even though it may not be involved in a chase. It's tradition and a direct link that will connect the new actor to Bond. A party scene with a tux and the new actor saying Bond, James Bond at the villain. I like the new Q, M, and Miss M. A great secret base. Goldeneye had all the elements that made a Bond film and Pierce connected all the dots. I think the new actor has to do the same in his first film
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    I would like to see James Bond return and leave the Eastender antics for what they are.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
    edited April 2019 Posts: 1,696
    There's an overlooked formula to many, many Bond films wherein Bond is initially given a fairly mundane thing to investigate (smuggling, a killing), and about halfway through the movie he learns that something absolutely bonkers is going on. I love that and would love to see it again.

    DN, GF, DAF, TSWLM, MR, OP, AVTAK, GE, TND, and DAD all kind of follow this pattern.
  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
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    I don’t think it’s something I want to return, but I couldn’t think of anywhere else to put this.
    I caught the end of DAD on tv the other night. And I noticed that apart from Lazenby in OHMSS, all the other Bond actors have had terrible final scenes.
    Connery - looking up to the stars / winking to the camera.
    Moore - In a shower with an “Haha...ooohhh.”
    Dalton - In a pool with Pam, and a winking fish.
    Brosnan - Playing with diamonds in Halle Berry’s navel as she laughs away.

    I’m hoping Daniel Craig at least gets a good send off, that’s not for a better word lame.
  • mattjoesmattjoes People's Republic of Matjoeguay
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    There's an overlooked formula to many, many Bond films wherein Bond is initially given a fairly mundane thing to investigate (smuggling, a killing), and about halfway through the movie he learns that something absolutely bonkers is going on. I love that and would love to see it again.

    DN, GF, DAF, TSWLM, MR, OP, AVTAK, GE, TND, and DAD all kind of follow this pattern.

    I completely endorse this post.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    Nekkid chickz
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    bondjames wrote: »
    These sort of posters. But only after they've recast with a younger, more traditional looking actor. It's time for Bond to get back on top and show everyone how it's done.

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    Here here. The worst of the series so far being TND, TWINE & DAD.....lazy CGI crap. Robert Edward McGinnis was the best!
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    SMC514 wrote: »
    Things I'm hoping to see for Bond 25 or 26 & Beyond

    - A proper gunbarrel. They still haven't nailed it. Use the classic Barry cue with a guitar or string ending, transition with an opening iris and don't have Bond waving his gun around before he turns and fires. Is it that hard to do? They haven't done so since 1987. As M would say; "Christ I miss the cold war!"

    -Bond on a MISSION. This has been said time and time again and I'll say it one more time. No more Rogue Bond or Revenge of the Craig. Tom Cruise made a better Bond movie than EON by taking the simple affair of the main character being assigned a mission and doing a bloody good job of it.

    -NO MORE RETCONNING OR BACKSTORY. They had such a good start with Craig in Casino by establishing all we needed to know to understand Bond as a character yet they have to put all this background story in Skyfall and Spectre. The reason we love Bond and the reason he gets all the women is because he is a man of MYSTERY. You accept him for who he is regardless of the reasons he is the way he is. This mystery enforces Bond's status as a badass. You think we would love Connery's Bond as much if we knew he was an adopted step brother to Donald Plescence's Blofeld? I think not....

    I don't give a damn about the gunbarrel. I still can't tell the difference since the early days of Dr. No except that I vaguely remember the early "Bond" character had a hat on, and that there was a major upheaval among the faithful when at some time the producers dared showing a CGI bullet coming from the barrel. So what? Doesn't interest me in the least. As I said before, it's like comparing the Mercedes-Benz stars in a parking lot. Futile.

    Regarding the other two, I don't agree that there was no "mission" in the last two films. But I do definitle agree that there needs to be no more backstory. The whole foster brother Bloberhauser thing was the most idiotic thing the producers have allowed in the last 50 years, and if they just ignore it without further explanation in the next movie, I won't ask any questions and be fine with it.

    The gun barrel sequence is the signature device and part of the tradition, IMO it's extremely important.

    The British media historian James Chapman suggests that the sequence is a significant part of the James Bond mythos because it "foregrounds the motif of looking, which is central to the spy genre."
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Things I'm hoping to see for Bond 25 or 26 & Beyond

    - A proper gunbarrel.

    - David Arnold

    - Regular use of the Bond theme.

    - Memorable & iconic villains. Bar Le Chiffre there hasn't been a classic Villain since the 80's. And yes, I am including Silva in this......he was average and unthreatening.
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    Things I'm hoping to see for Bond 25 or 26 & Beyond

    - A proper gunbarrel.

    - a new composer who'd sell his skills to create a new 007 sound for the years to come, the others have failed to make an impression

    - Regular use of the Bond theme.

    - Memorable & iconic villains. Bar Le Chiffre there hasn't been a classic Villain since the 80's. And yes, I am including Silva in this......he was average and unthreatening.

    Cam almost agree with you expect with that Arnold chap that managed to make two totally forgettable soundtracks instead of creating something special.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Things I'm hoping to see for Bond 25 or 26 & Beyond

    - A proper gunbarrel.

    - a new composer who'd sell his skills to create a new 007 sound for the years to come, the others have failed to make an impression

    - Regular use of the Bond theme.

    - Memorable & iconic villains. Bar Le Chiffre there hasn't been a classic Villain since the 80's. And yes, I am including Silva in this......he was average and unthreatening.

    Cam almost agree with you expect with that Arnold chap that managed to make two totally forgettable soundtracks instead of creating something special.

    I though CR was very special (Vesper/ blunt instrument/ African rundown). Surrender within TND was also very memorable. All the other films have great ques too. Albeit, I hate the drum and base elements in the Brosnan era.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Things I'm hoping to see for Bond 25 or 26 & Beyond

    - A proper gunbarrel.

    - a new composer who'd sell his skills to create a new 007 sound for the years to come, the others have failed to make an impression

    - Regular use of the Bond theme.

    - Memorable & iconic villains. Bar Le Chiffre there hasn't been a classic Villain since the 80's. And yes, I am including Silva in this......he was average and unthreatening.

    Cam almost agree with you expect with that Arnold chap that managed to make two totally forgettable soundtracks instead of creating something special.

    I though CR was very special (Vesper/ blunt instrument/ African rundown). Surrender within TND was also very memorable. All the other films have great ques too. Albeit, I hate the drum and base elements in the Brosnan era.

    Surrender should've been the theme song.

    TOMORROW NEVER DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

    KD Lang's voice is just amazing.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Bond checking his room for bugs, with minimal background music. Also, snooping around the premises at night, something akin to Palmyra and Shrublands.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    While Craig is still Bond:
    •A proper gunbarrel.
    •Vibrant, colorful cinematography.
    •A more CR/QOS like style and tone.
    •It's inevitable that we'll get more personal BS but tone it down a bit.
    •Either David Arnold to return or someone at least better than Newman.
    •Rock song for the theme.

    After Craig is gone:
    •All of those except for the darker tone. Take us back to standalone, more lighthearted films. Little bit of seriousness though.
  • edited April 2019 Posts: 17,372
    QBranch wrote: »
    Bond checking his room for bugs, with minimal background music. Also, snooping around the premises at night, something akin to Palmyra and Shrublands.

    Really miss this. The bug checking with little to no music provides a nice change in pace, and shows Bond in his right element - doing spy stuff. Same with snooping around.
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    Surely you need some Sneaky Bond music.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    vzok wrote: »
    Surely you need some Sneaky Bond music.

    I want the theme used as much as it was in Dr No!
  • edited April 2019 Posts: 677
    IDK if I'm in the minority on this but I would like them to feature classical songs again.

    The use of "Air on G string" when the traitor is fed to the shark and "Mozart's Piano Concerto No. 21" when Atlantis rises in TSWLM really elevated the scenes.

    I'm also partial to the use of Tchaikovsky's "Romeo and Juliet" in the absurd scene between Jaws and Dolly. :D
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    IDK if I'm in the minority on this but I would like them to feature classical songs again.

    The use of "Air on G string" when the traitor is fed to the shark and "Mozart's Piano Concerto No. 21" when Atlantis rises in TSWLM really elevated the scenes.
    I second this.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    IDK if I'm in the minority on this but I would like them to feature classical songs again.

    The use of "Air on G string" when the traitor is fed to the shark and "Mozart's Piano Concerto No. 21" when Atlantis rises in TSWLM really elevated the scenes.

    I'm also partial to the use of Tchaikovsky's "Romeo and Juliet" in the absurd scene between Jaws and Dolly. :D

    As long as classical music doesn't include a Beach Boys cover band singing "California Girls". :)
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited April 2019 Posts: 13,161
    That strikes a chord with me, @FrankXavier.

    We all have our influences, and Bond films at times recall classic films. My idea is a Bond action sequence starts with a dramatic flourish, then plays out with dampened sound but using Albinoni's Adagio (as in the 1981 film Gallipoli by director Peter Wier).

    Similar to how sound/music with Puccini's Tosca was used in Quantum of Solace but more extended. It's a very powerful tool.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=_eLU5W1vc8Y
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    That strikes a chord with me, @FrankXavier.

    We all have our influences, and Bond films at times recall classic films. My idea is a Bond action sequence starts with a dramatic flourish, then plays out with dampened sound but using Albinoni's Adagio (as in the 1981 film Gallipoli by director Peter Wier).

    Similar to how sound/music with Puccini's Tosca was used in Quantum of Solace but more extended. It's a very powerful tool.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=_eLU5W1vc8Y
    That is indeed a powerful piece of music that I could see fitting very well in a Bond movie. It was also used recently in American Crime Story: The Assasination of Gianni Versace.

    I think Beethoven's Symphony No. 7 would also be a great choice for a climatic moment in a Bond film. Like for example the "Tennyson" scene in SF (although I love how it is scored, don't get me wrong).


  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Classical music can be used to great effect. Kubrick was very good at this, and Disney.
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