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It's a curious thing if you think about it. These films can make "more money than god" (thanks, Alec) and still be considered overall failures because the sum total of all money invested all but equals the BO takes. People keep paying to see the films but critics keep dragging them through the dirt. "Everyone" is convinced that there are good ideas in these films but studio mandates force the finished products to be terrible disappointments and yet the studios continue to interfere.
https://gizmodo.com/rotten-tomatoes-will-piss-everyone-off-by-delaying-just-1820445665
Ratings mean nothing to me I either enjoy or movie or I don't.
You haven t seen Watchmen, then?
People who had expected an action flick got angry too.
People who wanted to team up with the Snyder hating crowd got angry too, not quite knowing why. "I heard this Snyder guy doesn't make good films; haven't seen one myself but that's what I've heard." Well bugger off then.
And suddenly everybody got angry over Watchmen for a variety of reasons. Not me though. So naturally people got angry with me. "You don't know Watchmen!" Sure I do. I have read the book three times plus bonus material plus essays plus ... "You don't know Alan Moore!" Sure I do. I've read V4V, The Killing Joke, From Hell, Swamp Thing, ... "You don't know superheroes!" Okay, you should come and visit my house then. "You don't understand Moore's philosophy!" Well, neither do you, I'm sure.
I guess Snyder is my heroin. People shun me for using, it makes me a social pariah, but I'm having a good time and I ain't apologizing.
Allow me to share some thoughts on this article.
The opening paragraph reveals how so not ready the author was to embrace another Batman & Superman film in this DCEU yet. Singling out the “Martha” sub-sub-subplot as the only thing worth mentioning about BvS, feels cheap and has, since 2015, become quite annoying too. Wait, didn’t “Have you ever danced with the Devil…” give Batman the ultimate clue that Joker had killed his parents in the 1989 film? Now what an amazing coincidence! Didn’t Bond coincidentally stumble upon SPECTRE’s plot by simply being in the right place at the right time in TB? What an amazing coincidence that farm boy Luke is the one getting stuck with C-3PO and R2-D2, not knowing he’s actually the son of evil Darth Vader and the brother of that lovely girl from the hologram, who also doesn’t know she should call Vader “dad”. But okay, I don’t like coincidences either. It’s just that BvS is a lot more than merely “your mom is named Martha and so is mine”. But if you want to go in arms crossed, here’s one way to do it, I guess.
Wait, the fact that he is still called “the bat man” is a bad thing? And the deep voice is a bad thing too? Weak, cosmetic arguments at best. I guess after all those years, “Superman” in Donner’s universe shouldn’t have been called Superman anymore either because after a while, people discover that Superman is a lot, but not super. And the deep voice is troublesome? If we want to apply a sense of realism in that Bruce Wayne might as well just be out of character when conversing with the very people who know his true identity, then surely the boring but true fact that both Bruce’s mom and Clark’s mom were called “Martha” shouldn’t trouble us so much either. Furthermore, anyone who really understands Batman knows that Batman is the man, Bruce Wayne merely the mask. Even without the cape and cowl, in darker times, Bruce Wayne I’m sure will talk with the deep voice because that's who he really is.
Even Alfred has to suffer for sitting behind a computer. But wait, we want another Nolan Dark Knight, don't we? I mean, the comment about Bale proves that much. The only difference is that this Batman has been in the game for 20 years, is much older and more brooding. And also, lest we forget, this is a JL series. Batman is almost always portrayed as the very cynical, not always completely honest or fully cooperative "normal" human. We don't need another Batman with too many inner conflicts, with youthful anxieties and adrenalized rage issues. This Batman would have retired ages ago were it not that the evils of the world allow him no such indulgences. It makes him bitter. and he still doesn't completely trust the ones he teams up with. Either way, JL isn't about Batman reflecting on becoming Batman or being Batman; Batman is one part of the team. An essential one, true, but this is not his film. We want to see him in action. The Batman of the JLA comics isn't necessarily the Batman of the Batman comics.
The comments about Batman being dull or looking stately and marginal make no sense when at the same time the argument is made that any attempt at a good joke is too little too late. The author sounds like the critics who loathed Timothy Dalton for spitting out his one liners with no fun whatsoever, when Roger Moore had played the comedic bits so effortlessly. Dalton's Bond has since largely been vincidated and in time so shall Affleck's Batman. Maybe this author needs to read The Dark Knight Returns of Frank Miller's All-Star Batman. It's clear from his next argument that he wants people to chear things up. He wants an Avengers movie, safe and simple entertainment with lots of good laughs and comfortable feel-good moments. He hasn't read Rock Of Ages. Also, his quip about Clooney neither proves a point, nor sarcastically conveys a serious suggestion we've all been trying to make since long. It renders his case very weak, when that level of hyperbole is all he can dig up to hide his ignorance.
Trying to prove something with the city blocks argument is another clear example of having had his claws out since the start of the movie. Countless Hollywood productions put snow, skyscrapers, certain shops, mountains, ... in cities that have none. One word, spoken once, irrelevant for the rest of the movie, supposedly builds a case? Other than demonstrating the author's lack of interest in the DCEU or his irrational hatred towards it, such comments are worthless.
I somewhat agree with the statement about the post-credits scene; it's only there because we've come to expect it. It's still not tiresome though. I also heavily disagree with faulting the cast for anything! And so does the author in fact, because apart from Affleck, everyone else seems fine in his book. Except for Cavill, whom he doesn't mention. I wonder why. I also wonder why one of the few real flaws in the film,
was left unmentioned by the author. Has he actually seen the film?
The people in my audience weren't convinced of "the film’s disappointment"; everyone had a good time. But maybe it says something that my audience contained mostly men wearing Batman and Flash t-shirts. Again, perhaps this entire DCEU thing is about as "niche" as Bruce Timm's animated output; in this case very expensive cult movies.
I liked it enough. I feel asleep from when Bruce meets Aquaman to when Steppenwolf takes the motherbox from Atlantis so I missed a bit.
It wasn't a garbage film like most of the DCEU's offerings but the movie overall was criminally pedestrian. The action for the most part was Good, I liked Steppenwolf as a hands on and proactive villain but his motivation was...meh.
The team were entertaining enough and Superman was a beast.
I'm in no rush to see this again but I certainly don't hate it and its certainly a fun time. Some complaints I've read/heard about this are so overblown and ridiculous and patently untrue.
I'd rate this a 7/10
Recently I realise I am burnt out on Comic Book movies there are two many of them and mostly average, DC is allover the place and Marvel just keep making the same movies over and over again.
I'll watch JL again on Monday come off three waking night shifts so not in a good mood, may have effected my first opinion.
It's far from a great film, and the special effects at times were astonishingly awful, but it's all put together with a good sense of fun and the characters are all given their time to shine.
Under the circumstances it was made under it is far better than it has any right to be - in fact I would have appreciated an extra 20 minutes on the runtime to flesh some stuff out.
Spoiler-packed gripe (and a pretty major one, spoiler and gripe):
The film has made me excited to revisit Batman Vs. Superman, which for all its flaws certainly offers more material I'm interested in rewatching. So that's something. Also, I agree with the remark that "the special effects at times were astonishingly awful." I can't recall CGI looking this bad in either Batman Vs. Superman or Wonder Woman. What is going on at DC these days and why can't they put a decent film together (WW fluke aside)?
And this is still a post infinite crisis weaker Superman,
Ike Perlmutter is an effing donkey for forcing Jenkins to quit directing Thor 2. Good riddance to that racist, sexist clown.
I can't believe JL that was supposed to be a an answer and to compete against the Avengers may open up domestically lower than Thor Ragnarok. I can't get my head around that.
I was just thinking about this. Personally I like the darker tone of the DCEU. It's different and, to me, keeps things a bit fresh. All everybody wants is more of the MCU. Meaning they want bright, colorful movies and comedy all over the place. Thor: Ragnarok is a great example of that and that movie was a big disappointment because of it.
I would have preferred a more serious tone for Thor, kind of what Thor 2 was going for before they lost their minds with all the nonsense with Darcy, the intern and Dr.Selfig.
In any case, Captain America Winter Soldier is a great film and handles things seriously without being too grim or too jokey and Civil War was the psrfect balance since it utilosed characters like Ant-Man and Spider-Man. Black Panther is going to be more serious than Cap Winter Soldier; and Infinity War is going to be the ultimate litmus test of blockbuster film making in every way and I have no doubt Marvel will pull it off, especially as the likes of Gunn, Dereckson and Coogler are all consulting with Feige and the Russo brothers on the two IS films.
JL is tracking an opening less than the first Iron Man film. Bloody hell.
It also made nearly $300 million less than Furious 7, too, hence the disparity.
The numbers really goes either way when you look at other films, @Creasy47. For example, Rogue One had a $155 million opening compared to Skyfall's $88 million, and SF ended with $1.108 billion while Rogue One finished at $1.056 billion.
Or comparing the 2009 Harry Potter film with BvS and Spiderman 3 - With only a $77 million opening, that Potter film is the only one of these 3 films to cross $900 million world wide, despite BvS opening with $166 million and Spiderman 3 opening with $151 million.
The $98m or so weekend is only North America. JL is doing better globally, like SF and FF8.
Yes, the key will be legs going into week 2, because one expects an explosive opening for a film like this. The issue is it is opening weaker in North America.