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  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Seems to me like it's time to get the final entries in.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns TPP
    Posts: 12,172
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: DN
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 15
    TMWTGG - 2

  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,700
    Can we move on to TSWLM please?
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Keep forgetting to move the game on, but as they say, better late than never. After the eighth game, Dr. No lodges its third straight victory, by a margin of 241-111-5, taking the total games 16-5. Its next matchup will be much tougher, as it takes on Sir Roger Moore's signature Bond adventure, The Spy Who Loved Me. It's sure to be a tough fight, so let's take a look at it...

    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Credits: TSWLM
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN (it's really close, but Honey gets the nod for being the original)
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: TSWLM (another close one, but TSWLM is iconic)
    Dialogue: TSWLM ("...Keeping the British end up")
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: TSWLM (love that Rog)
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: DN (just a gut feeling on this one, honestly)
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: TSWLM
    Bond Performance: DN (Moore's best, but Connery is still incredibly tough to beat)

    A 12-5 victory for The Spy Who Loved Me! A stunning margin, since they're right next to each other in my Bond rankings, but the categories are what they are. Will Dr. No fare any better on your scorecards? Only one way to find out...
  • NSGWNSGW London
    Posts: 299
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Credits: TSWLM
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: TSWLM
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: TSWLM
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 7
    TSWLM - 10
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Paradox Hotel
    Posts: 38,044
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: TSWLM
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense:TSWLM
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 11
    TSWLM - 6

  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
    Posts: 628
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense:TSWLM
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 14
    TSWLM - 3
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited November 2017 Posts: 9,117
    Title Track: DN - NDIB one of the classics but the Bond even classicer.
    Title Credits: TSWLM - The definition of a Bond title sequence. And a girl swinging on a giant Luger 'What's that? Too late.'
    Main Villain: DN - Stromberg quite a dull Blofeld clone.
    Main Bond Girl: DN - Not a big fan of either so will give it to Honey for the iconic bikini.
    Henchman: TSWLM - Jaws again classic.
    Overall Plot: DN - Given TSWLM is a copy paste of YOLT and DN based on Fleming this is an easy win.
    Dialogue: DN - Packed full of classy exchanges.
    Score: TSWLM - Bond 77 smashes Monty's terrible 50s B movie music at the climax out of the park.
    Settings: DN - Apart from the stuff with Jaws at Luxor or wherever I don't feel TSWLM's locations are all that whereas DN evokes a fantastic flavour of Jamaica.
    Action: TSWLM - The ski jump alone nails it.
    Humour: TSWLM - 'What a helpful chap' is sublime and Roger literally the only human being who ever lived who could get away with throwing that fish out of the car window.
    Cinematography: TSWLM - Close but I think TSWLM shades it.
    Benign Bizarre: Tie - Mechanical hands, tarantulas, three blind mice v Webbed hands, steel toothed killer, shark tank.
    Suspense: DN - Neither climax is stellar but most of the stuff involving Dent and Bond uncovering the mystery is quite tense
    Minor Characters: DN - Quarrel, Felix, Pussfeller, Mis Taro comfortably beat Sheikh Hussain, Felicia, Naomi and Captain Carter.
    Glamour: DN - The casino scene is impeccable and Rog's flares at the Mojave club pale by comparison.
    Bond Performance: DN - Rog is in damn fine form but Sean in DN has the lot.

    DN - 10
    TSWLM - 6
    Tie - 1

    Quite surprised by that. Thought TSWLM would win it.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
    Posts: 29,517
    DR. NO

    Title Track: DN
    Title Sequence: TSWLM
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: TSWLM
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: TSWLM
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: TSWLM
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 8
    TSWLM - 9

    Makes sense. They fight for the 5th spot in my rankings.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,152
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: TSWLM - Maybe my fav title sequence.
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: DN
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: TSWLM - Usually I would go with DN and "Make sure he doesn't get away", but Spy fills me with so much joy.
    Cinematography: TSWLM - as I gave the "Settings" to DN.
    Benign Bizarre: DN - close, but it's closer to Fleming's time.
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN - Bit harsh on Rog, who is having the time of his life, but nothing can be early Sean.

    DN -11
    Spy - 6

    There's no shame in losing to DN.
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    Posts: 1,984
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Sequence: TSWLM
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: TSWLM
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: TSWLM
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: TSWLM
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: TSWLM
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 5
    TSWLM - 12

    Both classics, but TSWLM utterly vanquishes DN for me. Not at all surprised by this one.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns TPP
    Posts: 12,172
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense:DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 12
    TSWLM - 5
  • Crazysoul95Crazysoul95
    Posts: 3,310
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Sequence: TSWLM
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: TSWLM
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: TSWLM
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: TSWLM
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 6
    TSWLM - 11
  • vzokvzok
    Posts: 3,875
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Sequence: TSWLM
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: DN
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: TSWLM
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: TSWLM
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 9
    TSWLM - 8
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited November 2017 Posts: 4,700
    Title Track:DN (Bond theme)
    Title Sequence: TSWLM
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 13
    TSWLM - 4

  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    Posts: 2,469
    Title Track: Spy
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: Spy
    Overall Plot: Spy
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: Spy
    Settings: Spy
    Action: Spy
    Humour: Spy
    Cinematography: Spy
    Benign Bizarre: Spy
    Suspense: Spy
    Minor Characters: Spy
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 6
    Spy - 11
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
    edited November 2017 Posts: 1,758
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Credits: TSWLM
    Main Villain: TSWLM
    Main Bond Girl: TSWLM
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: TSWLM
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TSWLM (How will DN ever win this though?)
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: TSWLM
    Glamour: TSWLM
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 5
    TSWLM - 12
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: TSWLM
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: TSWLM
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: TSWLM
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: TSWLM
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: TSWLM
    Glamour: TSWLM
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 5
    TSWLM - 12
  • DennisonDennison
    Posts: 1,031
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Credits: TSWLM
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: TSWLM
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 9
    TSWLM - 8
  • GBFGBF
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    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: TSWLM
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: TSWLM
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: TSWLM
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: TSWLM
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 8
    TSWLM - 9

    I actually prefer DN a little bit....
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,700
    Sean Connery is arguably the finest Bond. In Dr No, he is far from an indestructible superman. He displays fear, panic, and disgust. He spends a lot of the film being captured, brutalised, and humiliated. It makes his triumph all the more satisfying. Bernard Lee provides support as Bond's curmudgeonly boss M and Ursula Andress, the first in a long line of Bond girls, emerges Venus-like from the surf in the film's most memorable sequence.

    Mention should be made of Joseph Wiseman as the nefarious Doctor (a role initially offered to Noel Coward). With prosthetic hands and stiff gait, he strikes the right note of sinister evil.

    "Dr. No" does not attain the heights of "The Spy Who Loved Me", but neither does it suffer from it's campness, dated disco score, 70's fashion and over the top comic strip style comedic moments. Dr No is a fine start to a series, grounded in Fleming and his brilliant novel.
  • GBFGBF
    Posts: 2,899
    I guess DN suffers a bit from the low budget and therefore loses against other films in categories such as action, score, cinematography, glamour, title credits and settings....
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    edited November 2017 Posts: 1,984
    Yep. Also the fact that it's kind of an experimental work, whereas TSWLM is a high-budget, polished entry coming out after Bond had graced cinemas for 15 years already. Not to mention it heavily incorporated aspects of a prior movie (YOLT).

    But we can't complain too much since DN basically suffers these disadvantages against every entry in the series. It's just a matter of degree, and in TSWLM's case, it's to a very significant degree.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 3,134
    Title Track: DN (TSWLM is one of the best songs but nothing beats the original Bond theme)
    Title Credits: TSWLM (One of the very best)
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN (Bach is stunning but acting wise she's flyweight)
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 11
    TSWLM - 6
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    edited November 2017 Posts: 2,690
    Title Track: TSWLM (Nobody does it better)

    Title Credits: TSWLM (one of Binder's last great title sequences. Although near impossible to watch it now without Alan Partridge's commentary running through my mind.)

    Main Villain: DN (DN is one of my favourite villains and Stormberg is a bit forgettable - especially packed between Scaramanga and Drax.)

    Main Bond Girl: DN (Honey is iconic and while Anya starts off strong she deteriorates as the film progresses.)

    Henchman: TSWLM (the best incarnation of Jaws.)

    Overall Plot: DN (I like the plot of TSWLM - even if its execution is a little patchy - but the passivity of both Stromberg and Anya in the final act is a real issue for me and I enjoy how DN's unfolds. A good detective mystery close to the Fleming source.)

    Dialogue: DN (I prefer the taut dialogue of DN)

    Score: TSWLM (I like Hamlisich's high points here of Bond 77 and the romantic instrumental version of the title song.)

    Settings: TSWLM (I adore DN's Jamaica but TSWLM has snow, desert and underwater. Real globetrotting Bond in an appealing way.)

    Action: TSWLM (ski jump, love the lotus chase and classic army vs army)

    Humour: DN (While Roger has some nice moments I like the dry humour of DN. points off TSWLM for the circus music as the dilapidated van bounces around.)

    Cinematography: TSWLM (I love the way both of these are filmed. But TSWLM has a scope that is often brilliantly captured.)

    Benign Bizarre: DN (dragons, blind mice, metal hands, DN's spider room and disembodied voice)

    Suspense: TSWLM (this is close as DN has better suspense across the narrative but individually TSWLM has stronger suspense scenes so I'll give it to TSWLM for some entertainingly suspenseful scenes - the ski jump, jaws stalking in the pyramids, the bomb planting by bond in the tanker.)

    Minor Characters: DN (Quarrel, Felix, three blind mice, even the weird miss taro!)

    Glamour: DN (there are some glamourous parts of TSWLM but I prefer the glamour of 1962 Connery, the casino scene and the way Jamaica is presented.)

    Bond Performance: DN (seems harsh on Sir Roger but one of my favourite Roger performances will unfortunately always lose to one of my favourite Sean performances.)

    DN - 9
    TSWLM - 8

    As a whole I enjoy DN more than TSWLM - but Spy individually has some stellar elements. I would watch DN more than Spy but TSWLM is a classic and has so many iconic moments. For iconic moments only GF has TSWLM beat. It doesn't always gel and I have issues with the final third but I can't deny how fun it is.
  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
    Posts: 211
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Credits: TSWLM
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: DN
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: TSWLM
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 10
    TSWLM - 7

    Sir Roger is best in TSWLM but Sean IS James Bond in DN. Both movies are in my top 5. Jaws, the Lotus and the ski jump vs. Jamaika, Honey, Quarrel and Felix.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Let's keep this one moving a bit faster than the previous one and see about final entries, shall we?
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    Posts: 3,139
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Credits: TSWLM
    Main Villain: TSWLM
    Main Bond Girl: TSWLM
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: TSWLM
    Dialogue: TSWLM
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: DN
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: TSWLM
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: TSWLM
    Minor Characters: TSWLM
    Glamour: TSWLM
    Bond Performance: TSWLM

    TSWLM: 16
    DN: 1
  • CrzChris4CrzChris4
    Posts: 363
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Credits: TSWLM
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: TSWLM
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 8
    TSWLM: 9

    Interesting - I would rank DN higher than TSWLM.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    It was another close round between two beloved Bonds, but when all was said and done, The Spy Who Loved Me squeaked ahead, by a margin of 190-183-1. Dr. No did scrape a tie in the games themselves, 11-11, so it can hang its hat there. But it can return to its winning ways against 1979's Moonraker, starting...now.

    Title Track: DN (Bond theme pushes it over)
    Title Credits: MR
    Main Villain: DN (I hate Hugo Drax)
    Main Bond Girl: DN (Lois Chiles was alright in The Great Gatsby, at least)
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: MR
    Settings: DN (On the one hand, outer space. On the other, outer space.)
    Action: DN (take that, Bondola)
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: MR (can't deny the weird Bonds their due)
    Suspense: DN (sorry, Corinne Tilly)
    Minor Characters: DN (see above)
    Glamour: DN (more *authentic* glamour)
    Bond Performance: DN

    And it's a resounding 14-3 for the original Bond. Perhaps MR will do a bit better on your scorecards?
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