Dr. No versus the field: Skyfall

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  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    Posts: 2,856
    For your eyes only.... Only for you!
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya “We are thrilled to delay B25”
    Posts: 2,539
    Title Track: MR
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: MR
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: MR
    Settings: MR
    Action: MR
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: MR
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 10
    MR: 7
  • Sorry folks, got distracted with the holidays and all, didn't come around to wrap the game up. But it seems we got a few more entries, so all's well that ends well. Unfortunately, things did not end so well for Moonraker, as it fell to Dr. No by a margin of 255-170-1. A late rally couldn't prevent it from losing the overall games 19-6, either. With this bit of business concluded, we move into the 1980's, as Connery's first takes on Moore's fifth, For Your Eyes Only. Let's see how it fares against another grounded, down to earth adventure...

    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: FYEO (it does have Sheena Easton, after all)
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: FYEO (because of the revenge angle mixed in)
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN (Rocky's score was great, Bill, I'm sorry)
    Settings: FYEO (St. Cyril's is beautiful, an understated bit of Bond)
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN (went with Dr. No's lair, although it was close)
    Suspense: FYEO (for the keelhauling scene)
    Minor Characters: DN (take that, Bibi Dahl)
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    A final score of 12-5 for DN! A bit more lopsided than expected, but I suppose that will happen when you have two similar Bonds, even close in the rankings. Well, let's see if FYEO notches a few more victories on your scorecards, shall we?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger regnifrednuhT
    Posts: 34,677

    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: FYEO
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: FYEO
    Score: DN
    Settings: FYEO
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: FYEO
    Cinematography: FYEO
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    Score-DN 9, FYEO 8
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    Posts: 1,984
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: FYEO
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: FYEO
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: FYEO
    Settings: FYEO
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: FYEO
    Cinematography: FYEO
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: Tie
    Bond Performance: DN

    FYEO - 9, DN - 7, Tie - 1
  • Posts: 3,236
    Title Track: FYEO
    Title Credits: FYEO
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: FYEO
    Settings: FYEO
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: FYEO
    Cinematography: FYEO
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    FYEO 9
    DN 8
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
    Posts: 27,294
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 14
    FYEO: 3

    I do like FYEO quite a bit, but it's not a Top Ten and it can't compete.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya “We are thrilled to delay B25”
    Posts: 2,539
    Title Track: F
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: F
    Overall Plot: F
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: F
    Settings: F
    Action: F
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: F
    Glamour: F
    Bond Performance: F

    DN: 8
    FYEO: 9
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    edited December 2017 Posts: 2,616
    Title Track: DN (FYEO is very low on my list of title songs)

    Title Credits: DN (I like the funky 60s dots fading into Jamaican dancing and dissolving into three blind mice shadows. Not a fan of the sheena Easton music video feel of FYEO, although the colour scheme is pleasant)

    Main Villain: DN (DN is a favourite and Kristatos is an intentionally underplayed villain with a modest plan. Rewatching this recently I grew to like Glover's performance especially in his first interaction with 007)

    Main Bond Girl: FYEO (it's a shame Melina gets sidelined in the middle of this film - but she has such a strong opening two scenes - her parents death and her revenge on Gonzales. Throw in being part of the keel haul sequence and the final assault and she is tough to beat.)

    Henchman: DN (gotta give this to Dent. I like loque, he's creepy and quiet but Dent and the three blind mice win it.)

    Overall Plot: FYEO (I like DN's plot but FYEO has good intrigue and strong Fleming elements too. I like the opportunistic nature of the villain's plan and Melina's subplot is powerful.)

    Dialogue: DN (I love DN's dialogue and it often wins this category, FYEO has few memorable lines - with the exception of Q's 'that's putting it mildly 007')

    Score: DN (I will always take the opportunity to say how I have a special place in my heart for 'Submarine' in FYEO. But overall I prefer DN.)

    Settings: FYEO (Flying bond, underwater Bond, skiing bond, climbing bond. So much to like in FYEO. I love the way Jamaica is presented in DN but I really like the variety of settings in FYEO.)

    Action: FYEO (keel haul sequence, warehouse raid, the helicopter stunts, skiing chase especially down the bobsled track and the bike work on the slopes and of course the rock climbing.)

    Humour: DN (the dry, dark humour of DN wins it)

    Cinematography: FYEO

    Benign Bizarre: DN (dragons, metal hands, disembodied voices in shadowy rooms, three blind mice)

    Suspense: FYEO (DN has good suspense but FYEO has some excellent moments especially the loque on the cliff edge moment, keel haul and rock climbing.)

    Minor Characters: DN (As much as I like Columbo - he's dragged down by bibi Dahl and no Bernard Lee. Especially up against Bernard Lee in his prime, Quarrel and Felix)

    Glamour: DN (FYEO has some nice glamour but can't defeat Connery in the casino)

    Bond Performance: DN (Moore has some terrific moments and understands the shift in tone very well - but this is Connery at his deadliest.)

    DN: 11
    FYEO: 6

    Both are top ten but DN is top five for me. Love them both.
  • Posts: 3,685
    Title Track: FYEO
    Title Credits: FYEO
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 12
    FYEO: 5
  • Posts: 19,339
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: FYEO
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: Neither
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: FYEO
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: FYEO

    DN: 10
    FYEO: 6
    DRAW: 1
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 2,707
    Title Track: DN (Love Sheena Easton's song but nothing beats the Bond theme)
    Title Credits: FYEO (Very nice)
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: FYEO (Love conti's score)
    Settings: DN
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: FYEO (The rock climb is gripping)
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 12

    FYEO - 5
  • edited December 2017 Posts: 2,469
    Title Track: FYEO
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: FYEO
    Score: FYEO
    Settings: FYEO
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: FYEO
    Cinematography: FYEO
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: FYEO
    Glamour: FYEO
    Bond Performance: DN

    Score-DN 6 FYEO 11
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
    Posts: 1,655
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: FYEO
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: DN
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: FYEO
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN 15
    FYEO 2
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
    Posts: 525
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 14
    FYEO: 3
  • Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: FYEO
    Settings: DN
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 14
    FYEO: 3

  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Station B, Belgium
    Posts: 3,739
    Title Track: FYEO
    Title Credits: FYEO
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: FYEO
    Settings: FYEO
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 11
    FYEO: 6
  • GBFGBF
    Posts: 2,899
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: FYEO
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: FYEO
    Henchman: FYEO
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: FYEO
    Settings: FYEO
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: FYEO
    Cinematography: FYEO
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 7
    FYEO: 10

    FYEO is my No. 3 whereas DN is my No. 12.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,006
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: FYEO
    Settings: DN
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: FYEO
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 12
    FYEO: 5
  • suavejmfsuavejmf England
    Posts: 3,879
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: FYEO
    Settings: DN
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: FYEO
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 14
    FYEO: 3

  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    Posts: 2,856
    Title Track: FYEO (Unabashed fan of the 70s and 80s ballads)
    Title Credits: DN (Didn't mind Easton in the credits, but Binder's work here was a lot of rehash)
    Main Villain: DN (Close though in my opinion, Kristatos is decent)
    Main Bond Girl: DN (Better chemistry in DN gives Honey the edge)
    Henchman: Tie (Both low in my rankings)
    Overall Plot: FYEO (Good twist that is not expected upon first viewing)
    Dialogue: DN (By a hair)
    Score: FYEO (Love Conti's work and have it well above DN's score)
    Settings: DN (With ease)
    Action: FYEO (All the snow sequences are fantastic)
    Humour: FYEO (Small margin, and FYEO has some jokes that miss for me, but overall has more)
    Cinematography: DN (Small margin again)
    Benign Bizarre: DN (Dragons!)
    Suspense: FYEO (Cliff scene alone, but being dragged by the boat and the rest of the stealth infiltration of St. Cyrils makes this easy)
    Minor Characters: Tie (Couldn't make up my mind)
    Glamour: FYEO (By a hair thanks to the WDJ and fireside scene with the Countess)
    Bond Performance: FYEO (Rog mixes the serious with humor well here and shows some transition into the more mature years of his Bond tenure)

    DN: 7
    FYEO: 8
    Tie: 2

    The slimmest of victories for FYEO, though it stands considerably lower in my overall ranks.
  • Posts: 1,031
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: FYEO
    Settings: DN
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 14
    FYEO: 3
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Station B, Belgium
    Posts: 3,739
    Title Track: FYEO
    Title Credits: FYEO
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: FYEO
    Settings: DN
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: FYEO
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 11
    FYEO: 6
  • suavejmfsuavejmf England
    Posts: 3,879
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: FYEO
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: FYEO
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: FYEO
    Settings: DN
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 13
    FYEO: 4

  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 2,707
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: FYEO (Love a bit of Sheena!)
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: FYEO (Love Conti's score)
    Settings: DN
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: FYEO (The rock climb is rather tense)
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 13
    FYEO - 4
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    I'm expecting this to be quite tight.

    Title Track: DN - I have to say find FYEO probably the most insipid title track of all. Although Nobody Does It Bettef is a classic and I quite like All Time High AVTAK was a breath of fresh air after a decade of very average easy listening of which this and MR represent the low point.

    Title Credits: DN - Fresh and full of energy whereas we're into late era Binder by numbers with FYEO.

    Main Villain: DN - Menacing, aloof, condescending, iconic. Kristatos is none of these.

    Main Bond Girl: FYEO - Melina and her revenge are decent especially when compared to overrated bikini on legs Honey.

    Henchman: DN - Dent takes this despite his haplessness as Locque is merely average and Kriegler is so bad you'd be disappointed even if his character was called 'Piss poor Red Grant clone'.

    Overall Plot: FYEO - Even though it's just chasing a Macguffin it's a bit more involving than DN's fairly standard detective tale and with a few nice slices of Fleming thrown in.

    Dialogue: DN - Some very good scenes: Bond/M, Bond/Quarrel/Leiter/Freelance, No/Dent, Bond/Dent, Bond/No.

    Score: Tie - Very close but while Monty does deliver some good stuff (Bond theme, Underneath the Mango Tree, Jamaica Jump Up) he also delivers some dross. Conti's GB and PTS versions of the Bond theme are excellent and cheesy though they are I do quite like the car chase and ski chase. It's a decent stab from Bill.

    Settings: DN - Whilst DN only has the one real location it is used beautifully whereas the locations for FYEO might as well read the Alps and some generic Mediterranean countries.

    Action: FYEO - Julienne and Bogner on excellent form and a bonus encore from Rick Sylvester. Easy win.

    Humour: FYEO - Toned down Rog almost losing out to 'Don't let him get away' and 'I'm just looking' but there's still enough of the old Rog twinkle to get over the line.

    Cinematography: DN - Looks amazing in bluesy whereas the pedestrian Glen era photography and the post MR scaling back on terms of spectacle do FYEO no favours.

    Benign Bizarre: DN - Tarantulas, metal hands, cyanide cigarettes, dragon tanks. FYEO only really has the keelhauling and the JIM diving suit.

    Suspense: FYEO - Bond on top of the ski jump, the diving scene, the climbing sequence. Comfortable win here for FYEO.

    Minor Characters: DN - Quite close but Quarrel, Pussfeller, Leiter, Miss Taro, the Governor, Three Blind Mice beats Colombo, Ferrara, Gonzalez, Lisl, Bibi, Brink.

    Glamour: DN - Casuallly lghting a fag in a casino while saying 'Bond, James Bond' before pulling a bird then going off to get handed a new Walther and a deadly mission for Queen & country and then coming home to find said bird waiting for you wearing just a shirt. That's the entireBondian fantasy compressed into about 7 mins of screentime.

    Bond Performance: DN - The only rivals in this category are FRWL and CR. Simply sublime.

    DN - 11
    FYEO - 5
    Tie - 1
  • Well, it's certainly been a while.

    My apologies once again, as finishing the game kept slipping my mind. But with the dearth of news about Bond 25, what's a month gone by? In any event, Dr. No kept its strong run going, taking down For Your Eyes Only by a margin of 265-138-5. It also won the overall games 17-6, notching another impressive win. I suppose it's as I said: when the movies are similar, small margins of victory can turn into runaways quickly.

    And now it's time for Moore's penultimate Bond adventure to step into the ring, as Dr. No takes on Octopussy! My scores first...

    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN (Octopussy is an interesting idea, but she's unfortunately just that)
    Henchman: DN (Gobinda is just a bit too generic)
    Overall Plot: DN (OP is underrated, but it can't quite pull it off)
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: OP
    Settings: OP (if you can nail Sotheby's, India, and a castle while keeping it Bondian, you get the nod)
    Action: OP
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: OP
    Suspense: DN (Once again, OP comes far closer than it has any right to, between the auction and the clown sequence)
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    Despite a valiant performance from the wacky but fundamentally sound Octopussy, Dr. No cruises to a 13-4 victory.

    That's about it for me, let's see your scores, and I promise there won't be yet another delayed ending.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
    Posts: 27,294
    DR. NO vs OCTOPUSSY

    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: OP
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: OP
    Action: DN
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: OP
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 14
    OP: 3

    More of a thrashing than I thought it was going to be.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
    Posts: 27,294
    @Soundofthesinners I'm not sure what your plans are, but I hope that we run through the entire catalogue with each film, even though there will be more repeat matches with each consecutive round. Sometimes our feelings change in context, or just over time. Buy the time we get back around to SP, may feelings may have changed.
  • Posts: 512
    Aside from the theme song, I believe that "Dr. No" is a pile of crap in compare to "Octopussy".
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