Dr. No versus the field: Skyfall

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  • Posts: 1,031
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN -3
    OHMSS - 14
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 2,695
    Title Track : DN
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: Tie
    Action: OHMSS
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 8
    OHMSS - 8
    TIE - 1
    All square!
  • edited August 2017 Posts: 9,961
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 4
    OHMSS - 13

    Both great movies
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Station B, Belgium
    edited August 2017 Posts: 3,734
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS
    Humour: OHMSS
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: OHMSSS
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: OHMSS (taking nothing away from Connery here, his FRWL performance would win against Lazenby, but Lazenby did a perfect job in OHMSS and wins by the smallest of margins against DN)

    DN - 0
    OHMSS - 16

    Not surprising, OHMSS is my favourite film.
  • GBFGBF
    Posts: 2,899
    title Track: Tie (not sure what is to compare here)
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN (slightly)
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 6
    OHMSS: 10
    Tie: 1
  • Posts: 5,093
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS
    Humour: OHMSS
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: OHMSS
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN- 2
    OHMSS- 15
  • Posts: 19,339
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS
    Humour: OHMSS
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: OHMSS
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN- 1
    OHMSS- 16

    About right,as OHMSS currently sits at #1 on my rankings.
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
    Posts: 1,655
    Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: DN
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: OHMSS
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN- 5
    OHMSS- 12
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger regnifrednuhT
    Posts: 34,637
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS
    Humour: OHMSS
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN -3
    OHMSS - 14
  • Posts: 2,469
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS
    Humour: OHMSS
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: OHMSS
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 1
    OHMSS - 16
  • Posts: 2,469
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS
    Humour: OHMSS
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: OHMSS
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN- 1
    OHMSS- 16

    About right,as OHMSS currently sits at #1 on my rankings.

    Me, too. Always has.

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger regnifrednuhT
    Posts: 34,637
    No shame in losing to it. It is the best.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited August 2017 Posts: 9,117
    Title Track: Tie - The most heavyweight musical battle ever; the Bond theme v Barry's OHMSS. I really can't split them.

    Title Credits: OHMSS - Still quite innovative and certainly Binder's mojo still intact before he started to stagnate in the 80s. Beats the dots of DN.

    Main Villain: Tie - The quintessential Bond villain that set the template v the best Blofeld. Again I can't split them.

    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS - Honey a nice bit of eye can candy but Tracy got so much more going on.

    Henchman: OHMSS - I'm assuming the henchman is Bunt here? She certainly beats Dent but if it's Grunther then I'd give it Dent.

    Overall Plot: OHMSS - Faithful to Fleming and got the lot.

    Dialogue: OHMSS - Probably the best M/Bond scenes of the series (although DN pretty good) and some excellent banter between Bond and Blofeld and Bond and Tracy.

    Score: OHMSS - Barry at his best. Unsurpassable.

    Settings: OHMSS - Close, as DN is a definitive Bond villain hideout, but it doesn't get much better than a lair at the top of an alp.

    Action: OHMSS - Skiing on one ski with whole of SPECTRE after him and Barry's OHMSS theme roaring him on. Epic.

    Humour: OHMSS - 'Hmm Royal Beluga, north of the Caspian.' Love it. Also love 'He had lots of guts' - sue me.

    Cinematography: OHMSS - The beach fight, chopper assault plus Johnny Jordan and Willy Bogner's feats of derring do. Probably not bettered till SF.

    Benign Bizarre: DN - Blind assassins, tarantulas, dragon tanks and metal hands. I'm afraid that trumps chicken hypnosis.

    Suspense: OHMSS - Exhibit A: The Gumbold scene.

    Minor Characters: OHMSS - Draco one of the best allies (although I do love Quarrel almost equally) and the various angels of death do enough to beat Pleydell Smith and co.

    Glamour: OHMSS - Apart from the casino scene DN doesn't have a lot. OHMSS has almost as good a casino scene plus Astons, caviar, skiing and travelling everywhere by helicopter.

    Bond Performance: Tie - I know that objectively Sean smashes it out of the park in DN but I can't bear to come down against Laz. Ok maybe he's not Olivier in some of the dialogue scenes but when it really matters - swaggering into the casino, in a ruck, piling caviar on a piece of toast, strangling a man while scared for his life, feeling beaten on the ice rink, sliding across the ice while firing a machine gun, watching his bride die - he absolutely owns it.

    DN - 1
    OHMSS - 13
    Tie - 3

  • suavejmfsuavejmf England
    edited August 2017 Posts: 3,879
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: DN
    Action: OHMSS
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 7
    OHMSS - 10

  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 3,994
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS
    Humour: DN ("Make sure he doesn't get away" will always win)
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: OHMSS (just imagining listening to Barry's track "Gumbold's Safe" gets me on edge)
    Minor Characters: OHMSS
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 5
    OHMSS - 12

    There is no shame in losing this match up DN.

    Johnny Jordan is one of the unsung heroes of Bondom.
  • Posts: 3,233
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 5
    OHMSS - 12
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    edited August 2017 Posts: 2,614
    Title Track: OHMSS (one of the finest in the series)

    Title Credits: OHMSS (love the theme of time passing and seeing all the old clips mixed with the title track.)

    Main Villain: DN (I enjoy Savalas's Blofeld but Dr No is menacing in a cold, enigmatic way, sets the standards and I love his scene with Bond. Connery and Wiseman are great together.)

    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS (Tracy wins this one. EON did a terrific job in casting the characters surrounding Bond in this - no better highlighted than in selecting Rigg. Her appearance at the skating rink and following through with the car chase is perfect. I also love her distraction of Blofeld and the fight with henchman is protracted and tough.)

    Henchman: OHMSS (Irma Bunt is memorably creepy.)

    Overall Plot: OHMSS (Faithfully Fleming.)

    Dialogue: OHMSS

    Score: OHMSS (One of the finest soundtracks ever.)

    Settings: OHMSS (Piz Gloria is iconic)

    Action: OHMSS (The assault on Piz Gloria alone is awesome.)

    Humour: DN (I like the dry witticisms and dark humour of DN)

    Cinematography: OHMSS (Stunning.)

    Benign Bizarre: DN (dragons, spiders, three blind mice, metal hands.)

    Suspense: OHMSS (Both have terrific suspense. But OHMSS's second half is killer in suspense stakes - nearly everything from Bond's escape from Piz Gloria until the end)

    Minor Characters: DN (Quarrel, Felix and the sisters Lily and Rose. Marc Ange Draco is fantastic but DN wins it on numbers)

    Glamour: OHMSS (I adore the casino scene in DN and the beach settings but OHMSS has casinos, skiing, Piz Gloria and Portugal - presented beautifully)

    Bond Performance: DN (No contest)

    DN - 5
    OHMSS - 12


    OHMSS is my third favourite Bond film. DN would be around sixth for me. Two great films.

    OHMSS - despite its shaggy first half has an absolutely killer, near flawless second half. Score, title track, cinematography, settings, main bond girl and plot - many of these individual elements are at the pinnacle of the series.
  • Posts: 3,676
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 5
    OHMSS - 12
  • Seems like a good time to ask for final entries.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "Better cold with them on, than dead with them off, I always say."Moderator
    edited August 2017 Posts: 10,830
    Title Track: On Her Majestys Secret Service
    Title Credits: On Her Majestys Secret Service
    Main Villain: On Her Majestys Secret Service
    Main Bond Girl: On Her Majestys Secret Service
    Henchman: On Her Majestys Secret Service
    Overall Plot: On Her Majestys Secret Service
    Dialogue: On Her Majestys Secret Service
    Score: On Her Majestys Secret Service
    Settings: On Her Majestys Secret Service
    Action: On Her Majestys Secret Service
    Humour: On Her Majestys Secret Service
    Cinematography: On Her Majestys Secret Service
    Benign Bizarre: On Her Majestys Secret Service
    Suspense: On Her Majestys Secret Service
    Minor Characters: On Her Majestys Secret Service
    Glamour: On Her Majestys Secret Service
    Bond Performance: On Her Majestys Secret Service

    Dr No: 0
    On Her Majestys Secret Service: 17
  • MansfieldMansfield Where the hell have you been?
    edited August 2017 Posts: 1,256
    On the late side, no comments for this round.

    Margin out of 100: (DN-OHMSS)

    Title Track: On Her Majesty's Secret Service (40-60)
    Title Credits: On Her Majesty's Secret Service (40-60)
    Main Villain: Dr. No (75-25)
    Main Bond Girl: On Her Majesty's Secret Service (40-60)
    Henchman: On Her Majesty's Secret Service (25-75)
    Overall Plot: On Her Majesty's Secret Service (30-70)
    Dialogue: Dr. No (60-40)
    Score: On Her Majesty's Secret Service (5-95)
    Settings: Dr. No (75-25)
    Action: On Her Majesty's Secret Service (30-70)
    Humor: Dr. No (75-25)
    Cinematography: On Her Majesty's Secret Service (25-75)
    Benign Bizarre: Dr. No (70-30)
    Suspense: On Her Majesty's Secret Service (40-60)
    Minor Characters: On Her Majesty's Secret Service (40-60)
    Glamor: Dr. No (80-20)
    Bond Performance: Dr. No (90-10)

    Dr. No (7) (49-51) (10) On Her Majesty's Secret Service

  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    Posts: 679
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS
    Humour: OHMSS
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: DN

    Dr No: 7
    OHMSS: 10
  • As predicted, folks, it was a blowout. On Her Majesty's Secret Service dominated both the score and the total games, winning the former by 278-90-7 and the latter by an astounding 19-0-1. But it's not all bad news, as Dr. No will get a great chance to rebound against Sir Sean's last entry, Diamonds are Forever!

    Title Track: DAF (I am quite fond of this song, and it was sampled in Kanye's Diamonds From Sierra Leone)
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN (it's closer than you'd think though, at least through the final third)
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN (These last three have been blowouts)
    Score: DAF
    Settings: DN (I have an odd soft spot for the Vegas sleaze, especially given the soundtrack, but it can't compete.)
    Action: DAF (The final battle is pretty good)
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DAF (Tough to beat ambiguously gay henchmen and cross-dressing Blofeld)
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: Tie (Perhaps this is heretical, but I've established my affection for Vegas)
    Bond Performance: DN (Closer than you'd think, Sean is much more animated here than in YOLT)

    That comes out to 11-5-1 in favor of Dr. No. A decent showing from Diamonds are Forever, but I've always thought that its greatest sin was coming right after OHMSS. Anyway, let's see your scores!
  • Posts: 2,469
    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DAF
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DAF
    Score: DAF
    Settings: DAF
    Action: DN
    Humour: DAF
    Cinematography: DAF
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 7
    DAF: 10
  • Posts: 3,233
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DAF
    Settings: DN
    Action: DN
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    14-3 to DN
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
    Posts: 27,223
    Title Track: Tie
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DAF
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DAF
    Settings: DN
    Action: DN
    Humour: DAF
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DAF (Shady Tree, Wint and Kidd, Plenty O'Toole)
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 12
    DAF: 4
    Tie: 1
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    Posts: 2,854
    Title Track: DAF (Bassey is Best)
    Title Credits: DAF (The glitter fits the tone and theme of the film, very glamorous)
    Main Villain: DN (I do like Charles Gray, but DN wins here)
    Main Bond Girl: DAF (Tiffany is definitely not consistent in tone, but a much better actress and has many good scenes)
    Henchman: DAF (Wint and Kidd are a great innovative duo for the franchise)
    Overall Plot: DN (DAF is pretty tight in the smuggling storyline, but once we get to diamond satellite, it unravels completely for me)
    Dialogue: DN (DAF has some great one-liners, but DN is tight, has iconic lines and humor)
    Score: DAF (Great Barry track, Vegas cues, Wint & Kidd theme, fantastic all around)
    Settings: DN (Love Vegas, but Jamaica kills it here)
    Action: DN (DAF apart from the elevator scene has some of the weakest action in the series. The moon-buggy bit will always be so dull for me)
    Humour: DAF (Again, fantastic one-liners abound)
    Cinematography: DN (Both are good, but DN gets the most out of its scenery)
    Benign Bizarre: DAF (Moon buggy scene, Blofeld clones)
    Suspense: DAF (Coffin cremation is one of he most claustrophobic, how is Bond going to escape this moments.)
    Minor Characters: DN (Quirrel and the better Leiter of the two. Trench beats Toole as 2nd Bond girl)
    Glamour: DN (DAF comes off as more tacky than glamorous. Some of Connery's suits here are really bad)
    Bond Performance: DN (With ease)

    DN: 9
    DAF: 8


    Well look at that, a near upset by DAF. DAF use to be last in my rankings, it's definitely out of the bottom 3 now. Not sure how high it is now, I'll have to do a re-ranking soon now that SP has had time to settle in. DN is certainly still above it in the ranking, but by the elements DAF put up a good fight in my viewing.
  • MansfieldMansfield Where the hell have you been?
    edited August 2017 Posts: 1,256
    Margin out of 100: (DN-DAF)

    Title Track: Diamonds Are Forever (40-60)
    Title Credits: Dr. No (55-45)
    Main Villain: Dr. No (85-15)
    My least favorite of the fully portrayed Blofeld, FYEO's uncredited Blofeld notwithstanding.
    Main Bond Girl: Dr. No (90-10)
    Tiffany is one of my least favorite Bond girls.
    Henchman: Diamonds Are Forever (25-75)
    Wint and Kidd are among the upper echelon of henchman in the series in terms of efficiency and screen presence.
    Overall Plot: Dr. No (75-25)
    DAF keeps the pace until midway through Las Vegas.
    Dialogue: Dr. No (75-25)
    Though witty at times, the script of DAF sags beneath its weight.
    Score: Diamonds Are Forever (20-80)
    Always one of my favorites, though does not reach the lofty heights Barry set with his last two.
    Settings: Dr. No (75-25)
    Las Vegas is a great place for Bond, but not much else stands out, "Baja!?"
    Action: Dr. No (80-20)
    Severely lacking outside of the Peter Franks fight in the elevator.
    Humor: Dr. No (55-45)
    An absolute humor score would go to DAF, but DN has better pound for pound humor imo.
    Cinematography: Dr. No (70-30)
    Benign Bizarre: Dr. No (55-45)
    Suspense: Dr. No (70-30)
    This is one of the stronger areas for DAF despite its meager score, largely due to the ample suspense provided by DN.
    Minor Characters: Dr. No (80-20)
    Glamor: Dr. No (75-25)
    Bond Performance: Dr. No (90-10)
    The complete descent of Connery's Bond.

    Dr. No (14) (66-34) (3) Diamonds Are Forever
  • Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DAF
    Settings: DN
    Action: DAF
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 14
    DAF: 3
  • Posts: 1,031
    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DAF
    Settings: DN
    Action: DAF
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 14
    DAF: 3
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