Dr. No versus the field: Skyfall

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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Planet of Death
    Posts: 32,633


    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl:YOLT
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: YOLT
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN wins 10-7
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
    Posts: 26,290
    Title Track: DN (the JB Theme wins, but YOLT is a Top 5 for me)
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN (if we're talking Aki, it becomes very hard to decide)
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: YOLT
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: YOLT (one of the best in the series)
    Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: YOLT
    Glamour: YOLT
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 8
    YOLT - 9

    Again, this does not reflect my rankings (currently I have DN #6, YOLT 11 # , though the second one usually is at 9 or 10)
  • Posts: 4,827
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl:DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humour: YOLT
    (Osato: What happened to Williamson?
    BOND: Williamson? Oh, yes! He died rather suddenly, poor chap.
    Osato: Ah, so. From what?
    BOND: He fell into a pulverizer at the works.
    Osato: Ah, so. How shocking. A very honourable death, all the same.)
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: TIE
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: YOLT
    Glamour: YOLT
    Bond Performance: DN

    YOLT: 9
    DN: 5
    TIE: 1
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    edited July 2017 Posts: 2,515
    Title Track: YOLT (One of my favourites - takes me away to a special place.)

    Title Credits: YOLT (Languid and exotic. Aided by the title track)

    Main Villain: DN (DN is one of my faves - the way he is built up. The scene with Dent and DN's disembodied voice is marvellous).

    Main Bond Girl: DN (Honey trumps Kissy)

    Henchman: DN (Dent wins it over Hans, Helga or Osato)

    Overall Plot: DN

    Dialogue: DN Connery is ice cold in this - and his dialogue is a big part of it. The scene with Doctor No is a ripper.

    Score: YOLT (Right in the sweet spot of Barry scores. He was on a fierce roll - even by his high standards. The music is a big part of why I enjoy the film)

    Settings: YOLT (I adore the way Jamaica is presented in DN but I'll give this to YOLT. I like the way Japan is presented and takes its time. The rituals and panoramas - wonderful)

    Action: YOLT (The office fight, the rooftop fight and the final attack on the volcano)

    Humour: DN

    Cinematography: YOLT (I love both of these film's cinematography but YOLT wins this one.)

    Benign Bizarre: DN (I'm tempted to go YOLT - but I like the metal hands, spiders in cages, shadowy rooms, dragons, three blind mice. There's something very sinister and creepy that pervades DN.)

    Suspense: DN (Aside from the finale I don't find YOLT particularly suspenseful. DN has great individual suspense and suspense across the narrative. I feel as if Young has a knack for it more than Gilbert.)

    Minor Characters: DN (Quarrel, Felix, Miss Taro, Sisters Lily and Rose, Pussfeller - YOLT has Tiger and Aki but I like the overall minor characters in DN.)

    Glamour: DN (I instinctively put this as YOLT - but I really analysed my feelings on this and actually I'll give it to DN - the casino scene is Bond glamour in concentrated form. Connery looks much better in DN - including his suits. I love YOLT's glamour but I think DN's glamour appeals to me more.)

    Bond Performance: DN (Debut 007 trumps Sayonara 007)

    DN - 11
    YOLT - 6

    DN is Russian Caviar - YOLT Peking Duck...But I love them both.
  • Posts: 363
    Title Track:YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: YOLT
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 9
    YOLT - 8

  • Posts: 1,031
    Title Track:YOLT
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: YOLT
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: YOLT
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 9
    YOLT - 8

    Wow, these are usually poles apart in my rankings.
  • GBFGBF
    Posts: 2,899
    Title Track:YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: YOLT
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: YOLT
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: YOLT
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 6
    YOLT - 11
  • barryt007barryt007 Getting counselling by Sir Roger over Kara Milovy
    edited July 2017 Posts: 18,093
    Title Track:YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: NEITHER OF THEM
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: YOLT
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: DN
    Action: YOLT
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: YOLT
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 9
    YOLT - 7
    VOID : 1
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
    Posts: 1,480
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: YOLT
    Overall Plot: YOLT
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: YOLT
    Glamour: YOLT
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN is the better film, but YOLT is a classic in my eyes and wins 11-6 .
  • Posts: 2,469
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: YOLT
    Overall Plot: YOLT
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humour: YOLT
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters: YOLT
    Glamour: YOLT
    Bond Performance: DN

    YOLT: 12
    DN: 5

    However, I much prefer DN to YOLT.
  • Posts: 3,177
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: DN
    Action: YOLT
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    YOLT: 4
    DN: 13
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    edited July 2017 Posts: 1,984
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl:DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humour: YOLT
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: YOLT
    Glamour: YOLT
    Bond Performance: DN

    YOLT: 9
    DN: 8

    I like YOLT more but when it comes to rankings I admit DN is just better.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Title Track: YOLT - Just keeps getting better with age.

    Title Credits: YOLT - Great use of volcanoes and Japanese motifs. One of Binder's best.

    Main Villain: DN - Despite the limited screentime oozes more menace and class than shrieking Ernst.

    Main Bond Girl: DN - Despite the fact Kissy is actually single handedly responsible for saving the world by telling the ninjas about the volcano I'm afraid she's still pretty underwhelming. Besides the Bond girl is largely about being sexiful and Honey has that in spades.

    Henchman: DN - Hans a dismal Grant clone and whilst I wouldn't class Dent as henchman per se he is of far more interest.

    Overall Plot: YOLT - Despire the plot essentially being the same (interfering with rockets) and despite DN's being more stripped back and realistic and despite YOLT's making no sense (in which shops does Ernst plan to spend his - now worthless - dollars after WW3 has concluded?) I still can't help but love the outrageous bonkersness of a villain who wants to cause Armageddon by swallowing up space capsules.

    Dialogue: DN - Close but DN shades it just for the dinner scene with Doctor No alone.

    Score: YOLT - Sweeping strings which defined the Barry Bond sound and what can be said about the rooftop fight that hasn't already?

    Settings: YOLT - Although DN is very evocative YOLT was the first truly exotic Bond and does a fabulous job of showing us Japan in all its weird and wonderful splendour.

    Action: YOLT - Little Nellie, the aforementioned dock fight, the rumble in Osato's office and the epic final assault on the volcano.

    Humour: YOLT - 'The things I do for England.'

    Cinematography: YOLT - Simply stunning. Only OHMSS comes close until SF set the benchmark.

    Benign Bizarre: Tie - Tarantulas and metal hands v poison down a thread and ninjas.

    Suspense: YOLT - When Bond is in his space suit on the monorail and Barry's ominous music ramps up you genuinely feel the world is at stake.

    Minor Characters: YOLT - Tiger, Henderson, Osato, Helga, Aki. Although Quarrel is excellent they win it by sheer force of numbers.

    Glamour: DN - The casino scene smoking a fag, winning the hand and pulling a bird before heading of for a briefing with M then coming back for a quick shag and jetting off to Jamaica for Queen and country? Who wouldn't want to be that man rather than masquerading as a Japanese fisherman?

    Bond Performance: DN - It gets better with age and might actually the all time best portrayal of the character.

    DN: 6
    YOLT: 10
    Tie: 1

    Surprising. Objectively DN is clearly the better film but YOLT's epicness somehow just works.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Station B, Belgium
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    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humour: YOLT
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: YOLT
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    YOLT: 9
    DN: 8

    I do prefer DN slightly, but you can't get around YOLT's technical brilliance.
  • IGotTheMessageIGotTheMessage United States
    Posts: 179
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: DN
    Action: YOLT
    Humor: YOLT
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: YOLT -I am not exactly sure what this means though.
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: YOLT
    Bond Performance:DN


    DN: 9
    YOLT: 8
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    Posts: 1,899
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: YOLT
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humor: DN
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance:DN


    DN: 10
    YOLT: 7

  • suavejmfsuavejmf England
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    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: DN
    Action: YOLT
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN wins 13-4
  • MansfieldMansfield Where the hell have you been?
    edited July 2017 Posts: 1,256
    Margin out of 100: (DN-YOLT)

    Title Track: You Only Live Twice (20-80)
    Nancy Sinatra gives us a timeless classic.
    Title Credits: You Only Live Twice (25-75)
    Not the best of its era, but still a well crafted title film.
    Main Villain: Dr. No (75-25)
    Probably my favorite portrayed Blofeld (From Russia With Love is likely the best), but just like all the others he falls short of brilliance.
    Main Bond Girl: Dr. No (75-25)
    Honey scores another victory thanks in part to Anki's split female lead.
    Henchman: You Only Live Twice (30-70)
    Alluring follow up in the femme fatale category.
    Overall Plot: Dr. No (80-20)
    You Only Live Twice begins the trend of a greater divergence from the source material.
    Dialogue: Dr. No (70-30)
    While the script is tidy for You Only Live Twice, Dr. No is gleaming with brilliance here.
    Score: You Only Live Twice (0-100)
    Arguably the best and my personal favorite score by the master!
    Settings: You Only Live Twice (35-65)
    It's pretty close, but the way Japan is captured is breathtaking.
    Action: You Only Live Twice (40-60)
    I often look down on the volcano battle, but it's loaded with other great combat sequences.
    Humor: Dr. No (70-30)
    I prefer the dry humor to the hit or miss quips.
    Cinematography: You Only Live Twice (25-75)
    There is a lot to take in that I find myself having more favorable views as time goes by.
    Benign Bizarre: You Only Live Twice (40-60)
    I always marvel how there is an invisible second helicopter providing Bond and Aki with aerial of the giant car magnet doing its drop in the ocean.
    Suspense: Dr. No (80-20)
    Right when M declares, "This is the big one," the story plays across the screen close to expectations.
    Minor Characters: Dr. No (55-45)
    Both have respectable casts, I prefer the characters in Dr. No. No Q does make it very close.
    Glamor: Dr. No (75-25)
    This would likely swing to You Only Live Twice without the asian transformation.
    Bond Performance: Dr. No (80-20)
    Connery continues his plunge into a more casual representation of the character he made and owned in Dr. No.

    Dr. No (9) (51-49) (8) You Only Live Twice

  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    Posts: 2,619
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: YOLT
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: YOLT
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humour: YOLT
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 7
    YOLT - 10
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 2,244
    Title Track: YOLT (My favourite Bond song)
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: YOLT
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 10
    YOLT - 7
  • It's been longer than I'd realized, final entries?
  • suavejmfsuavejmf England
    Posts: 3,829
    Next please?
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    next
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    edited August 2017 Posts: 1,984
    @Mansfield - A bit late here, but you awarded the "Main Villain' category to DN for it's portrayal of Blofeld? I think that was meant to go to YOLT.

    EDIT: Nvm, I think I misinterpreted what you said. The villain Dr No being the "brilliance", of course. I think that's agreeable; I prefer him over Pleasance's Blofeld myself.
  • MansfieldMansfield Where the hell have you been?
    Posts: 1,256
    @ForYourEyesOnly I generally provide the commentary for the opposing film to Dr. No since they are available for a limited time only. It would likely be squeezing blood out of a turnip to focus on Dr. No for all 23 comparisons.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Planet of Death
    edited August 2017 Posts: 32,633
    22. We already did DN vs SP.
  • MansfieldMansfield Where the hell have you been?
    Posts: 1,256
    Oh that's right. I only started in the old topic at Moonraker.
  • It's been an extra-close game, folks, but after this round the winner, by a margin of 189-180-3 and 12-10, is Dr. No! Even though it wasn't my score, I'm quite happy with the outcome. The next match is likely to be particularly brutal for DN, as it takes on many members' favorite entry, On Her Majesty's Secret Service! My scores first, as usual...

    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: DN (Blofeld is great, but the title character edges it)
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS (Honey is iconic, but she can't compete with Bond's one and only wife)
    Henchman: OHMSS (gotta go with Irma Bunt)
    Overall Plot: OHMSS (DN's evil plot is stronger, but it does say "overall")
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS (I. Love. Piz. Gloria.)
    Action: OHMSS (Speaking of Piz Gloria...)
    Humour: OHMSS
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN (mostly for the opening scene)
    Bond Performance: DN (come, now)

    13-4 for OHMSS! A bit closer than you might think, but still a great win for a great Bond. Let's see your scores!
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
    Posts: 26,290
    Title Track: DN (Close, but the Bond Theme wins out)
    Title Credits: OHMSS (close again)
    Main Villain: Tie (add Goldfinger and you have my Big Three)
    Main Bond Girl: DN (my #1 beats my #2)
    Henchman: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 6
    OHMSS - 10
    Tie - 1

    That seems about right. Maybe DN should be a bit closer.
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    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: Tie (Jamacia and Switzerland are both captured perfectly in their films)
    Action: OHMSS
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 4
    OHMSS - 12
    Tie - 1

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