Dr. No versus the field: Skyfall

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  • We'll give it a couple more days for final entries, then on with the show.
  • I suppose it is time to move on. After a quality round, Dr. No emerges victorious for the second time in a row, by a margin of 198-176, winning the total games by a much more lopsided 16-7. Curiously, there wasn't a single draw in this round, in the categories or in the overall result. DN looks to make it three in a row as it takes on Moore's sophomore effort, The Man with the Golden Gun!

    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: TMWTGG
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN (I really can't stand Nick Nack)
    Overall Plot: DN (TMWTGG could have taken it, but they really missed up with the energy crisis nonsense)
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TMWTGG (I suppose you have to reward the car flip somewhere)
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN (take that, JW Pepper)
    Glamour: DN (can't top that opening)
    Bond Performance: DN (the OG versus a pale imitation, not difficult)

    Dr. No picks up another solid win, by a margin of 12-5. Let's see if it keeps up the winning ways on your scorecards.
  • Posts: 372
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: TMWTGG
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: DN
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 12
    TMWTGG - 5
  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited October 2017 Posts: 6,027
    Title Track: TMWTGG (sue me-- I love the grande with cheese of this song)
    Title Credits: TMWTGG
    Main Villain: Tie (Lee was terrific)
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TMWGG
    Overall Plot: Tie
    Dialogue: Tie
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: Tie
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    What the hell?? I do like DN far more as a film, but upon breaking things up a little, I have far more respect for TMWTGG than I had originally believed possible (although I realize I have been warming to it for the first time in my life).

    DN: 6
    TMWTGG: 7
    Tie: 4

    I actually have gone though my choices three times now... Very shocked with this result. I apologize to any and all whom I've offended, lol...!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Snake on a plane of being
    Posts: 42,437
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl:TMWTGG
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: DN
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 12
    TMWTGG - 5

  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited October 2017 Posts: 9,117
    Title Track: DN - I like the opening riff of TWMTGG and the instrumental versions are nice but it's up against the Bond theme for Christ's sake.

    Title Credits: DN - After LALD's fabulous voodoo motif we're entering the latter of the Binder era where he seemed to phone it in most of the time.

    Main Villain: TMWTGG - Exceptionally close but going to give it to Lee by a hairs breath simply because TMWTGG unlikely to win many more here.

    Main Bond Girl: DN - Both great to look at in a bikini but the one that doesn't go blundering into things with her arse wins it.

    Henchman: DN - Dent is out of his depth against Bond but is suitably sleazy and exudes a bit of menace. Nick Nack is a joke from start to finish (if he'd killed a few people he could've been very scary but the comedy tone of the film killed any chance he had).

    Overall Plot: DN - Simple and largely from Fleming rather than a load of tagged on rubbish about a Macguffin no one cares about in the slightest.

    Dialogue: DN - Simply far better and classier in every respect (dinner scene with Scaramanga the one glarimg exception).

    Score: TMWTGG - I'll give it the nod because Barry's lush strings beat anything by Monty.

    Settings: DN - Classic locations in both but DN feels a bit more like really being there.

    Action: TMWTGG - Despite the slide whistle an easy win here.

    Humour: DN - Kung fu schoolgirls? Sumo wedgie? Elephants pushing rednecks into canals? Relentless Carry On nipple gags? I'll take 'Sergeant make sure he doesn't get away' all day long thanks.

    Cinematography: DN - Looks staggering in Bluray.

    Benign Bizarre: Tie - Tarantulas, metal hands and three blind mice v dwarves, fun house and extra nipples.

    Suspense: DN - Easy win as apart from the duel TMWTGG has none.

    Minor Characters: DN - Everyone apart from Bond and Scaramaga are complete imbeciles in TMWTGG.

    Glamour: DN - Despite the exotic locations TMWTGG just looks a bit naff. In DN Bond goes from gambling in Mayfair, to being briefed at MI6, to a Pan Am (via a cheeky no strings shag) flight to Jamaica in the space of about 10 minutes.Who doesn't want that life?

    Bond Performance: DN - Not even close. Roy does his best with poor material but Sean in DN is pretty close to perfect.

    DN - 13
    TMWTGG - 3
    Tie - 1

    Surprised TMWTGG got that many to be honest.

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    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 12
    TMWTGG - 5
  • GBFGBF
    Posts: 2,977
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: TMWTGG
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: DN (don't like both)
    Henchman: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: DN
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TMWTGG
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 9
    TMWTGG - 8
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e il momento che verrà
    Posts: 5,712
    Title Track: TMWTGG
    Title Credits: TMWTGG
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG
    Henchman: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: TMWTGG
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: TMWTGG
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: TMWTGG
    Bond Performance: TMWTGG

    DN - 4
    TMWTGG - 13

    DN is solid but GG is one of my favourites.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    Posts: 2,714
    Title Track: DN (although MWTGG has grown on me over time. Musically I love it. Lyrically it's not flash. So bond theme beats it)

    Title Credits: DN (I actually love the DN opening titles. I find the MWTGG titles among Binder's least inspiring - especially seeing as from TB to TSWLM this is really the only dud one - he gets a little ropey from MR onwards)

    Main Villain: TMWTGG (This is almost a tie - but having rewatched this recently - Lee is outstanding in this film and his performance has moments of really subtlety. Especially in the third act meeting on the island and dinner.)

    Main Bond Girl: DN (honey beats goodnight - The weak character of goodnight combined with ekland's limited abilities makes her among my least favourite Bond girls. Just dead weight.)

    Henchman: DN (I actually find Nick Nack over rated as a henchman. He is fun but not threatening at all which I think could easily have been rectified with the simplest of touches. I think the opposite is the issue for The Three Blind Mice who get a literal killer opening double whammy of cold blooded brutality but not much more screen time. Add to this Dent's scene with picking up the spider from DN's Island and his death scene are two classics in the Bond canon.)

    Overall Plot: DN (TMWTGG is solid to begin with but falls away very quickly. All of Goodnight's involvement in the plot drag the film down and the narrative doesn't seem to know where to go from Andrea Anders death onwards.)

    Dialogue: DN (TMWTGG has some good one liners from Moore and excellent dialogue in the scene with Lazar and the dinner scene with Scaramanga but I prefer the taut and menacing dialogue of DN. Mancewicz often does one liners well but his exposition in all his scripts is clumsy. TMWTGG also loses points for somehow achieving the impossible and giving Pepper even worse dialogue than in LALD. It really is cringeworthy.)

    Score: DN (TMWTGG is my least favourite Barry score. But that means it's as good as anyone else's Bond score so this is close but I really do love the Jamaican tunes in DN.)

    Settings: DN (I like the Far East but DN's Jamaica is presented so beautifully. But I love the sideways ship in TMWTGG!)

    Action: TMWTGG (I think both of these are quite light on good action. But for the barrel roll alone TMWTGG wins this.)

    Humour: DN (there are some good one liners in TMWTGG. But there is so much poor ham fisted humour. People accuse MR of being ridiculous but there are large swathes of silliness in this film too. It's a tightrope - sometimes it's so weirdly crazy like Wint and Kidd in DAF that it works and other times like most of TMWTGG's humour it just lands like a lead balloon.)

    Cinematography: DN (DN's cinematography transports me. TMWTGG has some great sequences too - especially Bond flying into the islands. That is beautiful.)

    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG (funhouse, third nipples, ms Anders coldly dead in the middle of a fight, golden guns, Dutch tilts in the shipwreck - it's all weird fun)

    Suspense: DN (TMWTGG has a few suspenseful scenes but I find it one the most laborious of the series when it comes to suspense spread across the narrative.)

    Minor Characters: DN (Quarrel and Felix win this one. TMWTGG's are relatively forgettable except for Andrea Anders. I wish they had given her more to do. Her story was the strongest motivating factor in the narrative.)

    Glamour: DN (TMWTGG looks sweaty and cheap 70s. I'm not a fan of anything Moore wears - although he looks ok in the finale. However DN is super cool. The casino scene alone looks more glamourous than anything else in TMWTGG.)

    Bond Performance: DN (Connery's performance is trendsetting, but I like elements of Moore in TMWTGG. I think this is a film where he really fluctuates in his performance. Obviously he has the harder edged stuff. But he also gets very irritated with Q which is slightly unlike Bond - particularly compared to Moore's usual interpretation.)

    DN: 14
    TMWTGG: 3


    DN is top ten, TMWTGG bottom five for me - so I'd say this is about right. While Lee is uniformly excellent - TMWTGG's enjoyable elements are disparately placed moments that aren't sustained. The Lazar scene is quality, Anders first meeting Bond and specifically Moore's performance in this scene is pure Fleming but his performance fluctuates too much for me. And the weight of the terrible humour and Goodnight drag this film down. It is one of the films where I can see the sets and feel the budget constraints.
  • Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: Gun
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman:Gun
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue:Gun
    Score: Gun
    Settings: Gun
    Action: Gun
    Humour: Gun
    Cinematography: Gun
    Benign Bizarre: Gun
    Suspense: Gun
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 7
    Gun - 10
  • edited October 2017 Posts: 19,339
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: TMWTGG
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: TMWTGG
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: DN
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: TMWTGG
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TMWTGG
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 7
    TMWTGG - 10
  • Posts: 1,031
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: DN
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: TMWTGG
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 12
    TMWTGG: 5
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 3,548
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: DN
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: DN (Gun has more humour but most of it is naff)
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 15
    TMWTGG - 2
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: DN
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 17
    TMWTGG - 0
  • NSGWNSGW London
    Posts: 299
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: DN
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 13
    TMWTGG - 4
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
    Posts: 742
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 16
    TMWTGG - 1
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
    Posts: 1,828
    Title Track: TMWTGG
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN (Unfortunate because I rate TMWTGG as Moore's best performance.)

    DN - 14
    TMWTGG - 3
  • Posts: 3,939
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: DN
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 12
    TMWTGG - 5
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    Posts: 3,195
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: TMWTGG
    Dialogue: TMWTGG
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: DN
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: TMWTGG
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 8
    TMWTGG - 9
  • Seems to me like it's time to get the final entries in.
  • Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: DN
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 15
    TMWTGG - 2

  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    Can we move on to TSWLM please?
  • Keep forgetting to move the game on, but as they say, better late than never. After the eighth game, Dr. No lodges its third straight victory, by a margin of 241-111-5, taking the total games 16-5. Its next matchup will be much tougher, as it takes on Sir Roger Moore's signature Bond adventure, The Spy Who Loved Me. It's sure to be a tough fight, so let's take a look at it...

    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Credits: TSWLM
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN (it's really close, but Honey gets the nod for being the original)
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: TSWLM (another close one, but TSWLM is iconic)
    Dialogue: TSWLM ("...Keeping the British end up")
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: TSWLM (love that Rog)
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: DN (just a gut feeling on this one, honestly)
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: TSWLM
    Bond Performance: DN (Moore's best, but Connery is still incredibly tough to beat)

    A 12-5 victory for The Spy Who Loved Me! A stunning margin, since they're right next to each other in my Bond rankings, but the categories are what they are. Will Dr. No fare any better on your scorecards? Only one way to find out...
  • NSGWNSGW London
    Posts: 299
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Credits: TSWLM
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: TSWLM
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: TSWLM
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 7
    TSWLM - 10
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Snake on a plane of being
    Posts: 42,437
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: TSWLM
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense:TSWLM
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 11
    TSWLM - 6

  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
    Posts: 742
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense:TSWLM
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 14
    TSWLM - 3
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited November 2017 Posts: 9,117
    Title Track: DN - NDIB one of the classics but the Bond even classicer.
    Title Credits: TSWLM - The definition of a Bond title sequence. And a girl swinging on a giant Luger 'What's that? Too late.'
    Main Villain: DN - Stromberg quite a dull Blofeld clone.
    Main Bond Girl: DN - Not a big fan of either so will give it to Honey for the iconic bikini.
    Henchman: TSWLM - Jaws again classic.
    Overall Plot: DN - Given TSWLM is a copy paste of YOLT and DN based on Fleming this is an easy win.
    Dialogue: DN - Packed full of classy exchanges.
    Score: TSWLM - Bond 77 smashes Monty's terrible 50s B movie music at the climax out of the park.
    Settings: DN - Apart from the stuff with Jaws at Luxor or wherever I don't feel TSWLM's locations are all that whereas DN evokes a fantastic flavour of Jamaica.
    Action: TSWLM - The ski jump alone nails it.
    Humour: TSWLM - 'What a helpful chap' is sublime and Roger literally the only human being who ever lived who could get away with throwing that fish out of the car window.
    Cinematography: TSWLM - Close but I think TSWLM shades it.
    Benign Bizarre: Tie - Mechanical hands, tarantulas, three blind mice v Webbed hands, steel toothed killer, shark tank.
    Suspense: DN - Neither climax is stellar but most of the stuff involving Dent and Bond uncovering the mystery is quite tense
    Minor Characters: DN - Quarrel, Felix, Pussfeller, Mis Taro comfortably beat Sheikh Hussain, Felicia, Naomi and Captain Carter.
    Glamour: DN - The casino scene is impeccable and Rog's flares at the Mojave club pale by comparison.
    Bond Performance: DN - Rog is in damn fine form but Sean in DN has the lot.

    DN - 10
    TSWLM - 6
    Tie - 1

    Quite surprised by that. Thought TSWLM would win it.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,395
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: TSWLM - Maybe my fav title sequence.
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: DN
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: TSWLM - Usually I would go with DN and "Make sure he doesn't get away", but Spy fills me with so much joy.
    Cinematography: TSWLM - as I gave the "Settings" to DN.
    Benign Bizarre: DN - close, but it's closer to Fleming's time.
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN - Bit harsh on Rog, who is having the time of his life, but nothing can be early Sean.

    DN -11
    Spy - 6

    There's no shame in losing to DN.
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    Posts: 1,984
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Sequence: TSWLM
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: TSWLM
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humour: TSWLM
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: TSWLM
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: TSWLM
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 5
    TSWLM - 12

    Both classics, but TSWLM utterly vanquishes DN for me. Not at all surprised by this one.
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