No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 4,522
    For B25, how about a reboot of the Honey Ryder character?

    Daniel Craig is
    Ian Fleming's James Bond 007
    in
    Tanner Than Tanner.
  • Everything or Nothing

    (and Craig's Bond dies at the end)
  • echo wrote: »
    For B25, how about a reboot of the Honey Ryder character?

    Daniel Craig is
    Ian Fleming's James Bond 007
    in
    Tanner Than Tanner.

    I'd prefer Tanner On Tanner—Tanner's daily affirmations in the mirror and his inner monologue as he follows M wherever he walks and schemes things to snitch on Bond about.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe "I need a year off" Craig
    Posts: 7,316
    Everything or Nothing

    (and Craig's Bond dies at the end)

    That's a neat idea. I suppose if the Craig era is it's own self contained story, there's no reason he can't die at the end of it. Every single Craig film had a big character die, Vesper, Mathis, M and Mr White. Maybe Bond 25 has Bond die, or Blofeld? Or both?
  • edited August 2017 Posts: 1,908
    Bond will never die in the movies. That would hurt the franchise BIG TIME

    But if the rumors are true and EON might be selling the series than maybe it can happen
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe "I need a year off" Craig
    Posts: 7,316
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Bond will never die in the movies. That would hurt the franchise BIG TIME

    But if the rumors are true and EON might be selling the series than maybe it can happen

    Explains the "one picture deal".
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Costa Mucho
    Posts: 42,000
    I made a thread about that very topic. Feel free to post there, or not.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
    Posts: 1,187
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Bond will never die in the movies. That would hurt the franchise BIG TIME

    But if the rumors are true and EON might be selling the series than maybe it can happen

    Explains the "one picture deal".
    No longer the case.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    bondjames wrote: »
    00Ralf wrote: »
    I can't see it being called Shatterhand, really. Shatterhand only means something to us, Bond-fans, and I'm sure EoN is/will be aware of potential marketing issues when deciding on the name. In German-speaking countries a title like that would only envoke "Winnetou and Old Shatterhand" associations and nothing more, as Karl May is a national treasure over here.

    I'm hoping for an enigmatic Fleming YOLT/LALD-style phrase-title, personally. I'm a bit tired of the single word S-titles.

    No idea what you're on about with the German thing but I can't really see it working either.

    If they cast Waltz then we all know Blofeld is back so to then use the name Shatterhand is totally redundant. It would be a bit stupid to have Bond wandering round Japan saying to himself 'Who on earth could this mysterious Dr Guntram Shatterhand be?' and all the audience shout back 'It's Blofeld mate because we've all seen Waltz's name on the poster.'
    You mean like when they called the last film Spectre, and then let Bond wonder through half of it trying to figure out what it was (even though he was told it was called Quantum by Green two films ago and should have realized this was the same operation when he ran into White again), only for its name to be revealed instead as 'Spectre' by Madeleine? I honestly wouldn't put anything past them.

    Also expecting us to be shocked when Oberhauser revealed he was Blofeld.
  • 00Ralf00Ralf Germany
    edited August 2017 Posts: 149
    No idea what you're on about with the German thing but I can't really see it working either.

    If they cast Waltz then we all know Blofeld is back so to then use the name Shatterhand is totally redundant. It would be a bit stupid to have Bond wandering round Japan saying to himself 'Who on earth could this mysterious Dr Guntram Shatterhand be?' and all the audience shout back 'It's Blofeld mate because we've all seen Waltz's name on the poster.'

    I mean that most of the German-speaking market associates the name Shatterhand with this fellow:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Shatterhand
    and not with Bond. In fact, I'm pretty sure a Bond flick with that title would get laughed at quite a lot over here and do more harm than good.

    I also agree with your point about the redundance of having Shatterhand secretly be Blofeld. There would be no surprise factor for the fans and it would be the Oberhauser-Blofeld "twist" vol. 2 for everybody else.
  • Posts: 4,622
    A little history of how Eon managed to finally put to use all of Fleming's novel and short story titles.
    Once Eon got the rights to CR they were able to complete the set with first CR and then what seemed to the hardest title to use AQoS.
    DN-MR burned thru 11/12 original novel titles
    FYEO included elements of both FYEO&Risico
    OP included elements of both OP&Property of a Lady
    AVTAK, 5/9 short stories down
    TLD, 6/9 short stories down
    LTK, included elements of The Hildebrand Rarity, 7/9 short stories done

    Still, CR, AQoS & 007 in New York to go. What to do?hmmm. Nothing for now, for the next 4 films.
    Then suddenly, rights aquired for CR! Time to complete the set!

    CR made, (12/12 novels done) including element of 007 in New York (Solange name) 8/9 short stories done.
    Just one more short story to do.

    Voila

    QoS announced. All film and short story titles now used . Set complete.

  • You make good points, @00Ralf, about Shatterhand simply repeating the Oberhauser "twist." So what about—and I'm just throwing things out here—book YOLT put onto film, with Tiger's, Dikko's, and Kissy's names changed, no Bunt, a real dastardly villain who is not Blofeld and just Guntram Shatterhand, and Bond despondent over something other than Tracy/Swann, which they've boxed themselves out of anyway? It's not perfect, but we can't really get a perfect YOLT now anyways. Just make Shatterhand the villain to end all villains (have the guy endorse Tanner for a knightship or something) and give Bond real motivation to strangle him to death with his bare hands.
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    Walecs wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    00Ralf wrote: »
    I can't see it being called Shatterhand, really. Shatterhand only means something to us, Bond-fans, and I'm sure EoN is/will be aware of potential marketing issues when deciding on the name. In German-speaking countries a title like that would only envoke "Winnetou and Old Shatterhand" associations and nothing more, as Karl May is a national treasure over here.

    I'm hoping for an enigmatic Fleming YOLT/LALD-style phrase-title, personally. I'm a bit tired of the single word S-titles.

    No idea what you're on about with the German thing but I can't really see it working either.

    If they cast Waltz then we all know Blofeld is back so to then use the name Shatterhand is totally redundant. It would be a bit stupid to have Bond wandering round Japan saying to himself 'Who on earth could this mysterious Dr Guntram Shatterhand be?' and all the audience shout back 'It's Blofeld mate because we've all seen Waltz's name on the poster.'
    You mean like when they called the last film Spectre, and then let Bond wonder through half of it trying to figure out what it was (even though he was told it was called Quantum by Green two films ago and should have realized this was the same operation when he ran into White again), only for its name to be revealed instead as 'Spectre' by Madeleine? I honestly wouldn't put anything past them.

    Also expecting us to be shocked when Oberhauser revealed he was Blofeld.

    Have you read the debates here before the movie was released? A large number of people believed Max Denbigh was going to be Blofeld. Or M. Or Lucia Sciarra even. I had no issue then and have no issue now with a Jekyll and Hyde or Dracula twist, but you'd be surprised at the number of people who expected something else.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    00Ralf wrote: »
    I can't see it being called Shatterhand, really. Shatterhand only means something to us, Bond-fans, and I'm sure EoN is/will be aware of potential marketing issues when deciding on the name. In German-speaking countries a title like that would only envoke "Winnetou and Old Shatterhand" associations and nothing more, as Karl May is a national treasure over here.

    I'm hoping for an enigmatic Fleming YOLT/LALD-style phrase-title, personally. I'm a bit tired of the single word S-titles.

    No idea what you're on about with the German thing but I can't really see it working either.

    If they cast Waltz then we all know Blofeld is back so to then use the name Shatterhand is totally redundant. It would be a bit stupid to have Bond wandering round Japan saying to himself 'Who on earth could this mysterious Dr Guntram Shatterhand be?' and all the audience shout back 'It's Blofeld mate because we've all seen Waltz's name on the poster.'
    You mean like when they called the last film Spectre, and then let Bond wonder through half of it trying to figure out what it was (even though he was told it was called Quantum by Green two films ago and should have realized this was the same operation when he ran into White again), only for its name to be revealed instead as 'Spectre' by Madeleine? I honestly wouldn't put anything past them.

    Also expecting us to be shocked when Oberhauser revealed he was Blofeld.

    Have you read the debates here before the movie was released? A large number of people believed Max Denbigh was going to be Blofeld. Or M. Or Lucia Sciarra even. I had no issue then and have no issue now with a Jekyll and Hyde or Dracula twist, but you'd be surprised at the number of people who expected something else.

    Yeah, I remember those theories. People even thought that Andrew Scott actually delivered the "You came across me so many times yet you never saw me" line in the trailer, even though that line was dubbed by Waltz's voice actors in foreign versions of the trailer.

    Admittedly, when I walked into the theater back in 2015 I was not 100% sure that Waltz played Blofeld (though I expected it), but that's because I considered EON smarter and I thought they would surprise us. How wrong I was.
  • Honestly, I think the smartest and most surprising thing Eon could do with a YOLT adaptation would be to have Shatterhand NOT turn out to be Blofeld.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    Posts: 1,158
    Honestly, I think the smartest and most surprising thing Eon could do with a YOLT adaptation would be to have Shatterhand NOT turn out to be Blofeld.
    I would be absolutely okay with that.

  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
    Posts: 1,187
    A lot of not well thought out decisions made on SPECTRE.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
    edited August 2017 Posts: 1,187
    The Sun claims that Daniel and Sam Mendes had creative differences

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/4179212/james-bond-daniel-craig-sam-mendes-role-change/amp/
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 9,345
    That fits what they're selling. And they drop in the kitchen sink with the slashed wrists and doing it for the money comments. So I'm not buying.
  • The Sun claims that Daniel and Sam Mendes had creative differences

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/4179212/james-bond-daniel-craig-sam-mendes-role-change/amp/

    "A source." In other words: we made this all up, like everybody else has been doing.

    But it's at least a believable story. There were creative differences between Waltz and Mendes on set. And then there was that strange Charlie Rose interview where Craig almost appeared to be laying blame on Mendes, saying he just zoned out and put it all in Sam's hands, after which Mendes abruptly cuts in and changes course. Not saying there's any truth to the Sun's story. Just saying if there was it wouldn't be a shock.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
    Posts: 1,187
    The Sun claims that Daniel and Sam Mendes had creative differences

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/4179212/james-bond-daniel-craig-sam-mendes-role-change/amp/

    "A source." In other words: we made this all up, like everybody else has been doing.

    But it's at least a believable story. There were creative differences between Waltz and Mendes on set. And then there was that strange Charlie Rose interview where Craig almost appeared to be laying blame on Mendes, saying he just zoned out and put it all in Sam's hands, after which Mendes abruptly cuts in and changes course. Not saying there's any truth to the Sun's story. Just saying if there was it wouldn't be a shock.
    I'm just reporting the news when I do these things. I don't endorse.

  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    Posts: 1,756
    My reaction at the news so far

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  • mattjoesmattjoes Me lleva el chanfle
    Posts: 4,721
    My reaction at the news so far

    danielcraig-satsukimitchell-beach-kissing-photos-12292008-03-860x675.jpg

    "Throw it down the toilet... cut out the middleman."
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,729
    Why does Bond have to die at the end. Why cant he just retire
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
    Posts: 16,097
    Precisely.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,729
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Why does Bond have to die at the end. Why cant he just retire

    It is a ludicrous thought. A non-option for me. If I knew beforehand I would certainly not spend my money.

    So you wouldnt pay to watch a bond film that ends with bond in love and retiring after killing blofeld, but you would watch a film about Blofeld killing bond?
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    Killing off Bond is stupid. Period. One of the biggest points of his character is to be able to survive anything. I'd be pretty pissed off if they actually kill his character in the next film; I have a hard time imagining that being done tastefully.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,729
    Birdleson wrote: »
    And killing Bond off is beyond arrogant. Distastefully so. Fleming didn't end up doing it, Broccoli and Saltzman never did, Maubam didn't. Yet this or some future hotshot generation or studio thinks that they are so goddmaned special that they have artistic licence to do so; because they are the thing of the moment. No effing way.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Killing off Bond is stupid. Period. One of the biggest points of his character is to be able to survive anything. I'd be pretty pissed off if they actually kill his character in the next film; I have a hard time imagining that being done tastefully.

    Agreed. So lets say craig returns for 2 more both revolving around ohmss and yolt how should Craigs now old bond character end his arc. Like spectre where he drives off into the sunset?
  • Posts: 187
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Bond will never die in the movies. That would hurt the franchise BIG TIME

    But if the rumors are true and EON might be selling the series than maybe it can happen

    Say what now? Where is this coming from?
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    Posts: 2,992
    Birdleson wrote: »
    No. Just end the damned thing like any other old Bond film. Bond, with or without a temporary floozy, completes his mission. Ready for the next one. End Craig.

    Exactly. It doesn't need some lousy trick ending.
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