No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    Waltz is a ham and if he came back we would get Stepbrothers 2 with Waltz and Craig replacing Ferrell and Reilly. No thanks.
  • Just a "what if"-thought:
    How could a Tarantino-written (not necessarily directed) Bond-film be? Always found Tarantino's writing to be entertaining and colourful.

    They should be bringing in John Michael McDonagh, it'd be like hiring Paul Haggis or John Logan for touch ups, only better.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    Didnt Tarantino want to make an R rated 50's casino royale?
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Murdock wrote: »
    I would like to see Waltz get a second chance as Blofeld. Give him something to sink his teeth into and show his more ruthless side.

    That would require the right director and much better writing. So far with p+w returning we're 0 for 2.
  • edited August 2017 Posts: 11,425
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    I would like to see Waltz get a second chance as Blofeld. Give him something to sink his teeth into and show his more ruthless side.

    That would require the right director and much better writing. So far with p+w returning we're 0 for 2.

    Very true.

    P+W have been the downfall of many a Bond movie. They are abysmally bad.
  • Getafix wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    I would like to see Waltz get a second chance as Blofeld. Give him something to sink his teeth into and show his more ruthless side.

    That would require the right director and much better writing. So far with p+w returning we're 0 for 2.

    Very true.

    P+W have been the downfall of many a Bond movie. They are abysmally bad.

    I've said it before, I'll say it again: there may be better writers out there, but P&W really aren't bad for Bond. TWINE was legitimately great, DAD had good ideas that were warped by Tamahori, no complaints about CR apart from the "little finger" thing, their work on QoS was legit, I have no idea what survived from them on SF, and they took over from Logan on SP at the 11th hour with the no-win situation of being told, "We need you to base the climax around Westminster Bridge because we've already built the set." Plus P&W have worked a pretty amazing amount of Fleming into their films. What exactly they've done wrong for the series, I have yet to see.
  • edited August 2017 Posts: 11,425
    Their plots and dialogue are sh*t.

    And TWINE is an unmitigated turkey from start to finish.

    They represent everything that's wrong with EON. Tired and devoid of ideas.
  • We've been watching different films.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
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    I always felt TWINE was a victim of poor direction rather than a poor script.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,334
    TWINE's a modern classic. And I'm sticking by it.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    TWINE was legitimately great

    Was it? Can you point me in the direction of which authority issued this seal of approval?
  • Posts: 37
    TWINE suffers because the PTS is better than anything else in the film. It never recovers from the energy of that sequence.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited August 2017 Posts: 3,126
    It looks very similar to db10 http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/836007/Aston-Martin-Vantage-James-Bond-film-Spectre apparently it could be next bond car
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
    edited August 2017 Posts: 1,187

    phibes72 wrote: »
    TWINE suffers because the PTS is better than anything else in the film. It never recovers from the energy of that sequence.
    Was it? Was it truly? Where is your seal of approval?

  • edited August 2017 Posts: 4,619
    I've been thinking and I concluded that if Barbara Broccoli & co. want to make their final Bond movie a success they will have to hire the great
    Eric Serra
    again. What do you guys think?
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
    edited August 2017 Posts: 1,187
    I've been thinking and I concluded that if Barbara Broccoli & co. want to make their final Bond movie a success they will have to hire the great
    Eric Serra
    again. What do you guys think?

    Why would hiring Eric Serra make the movie a success?

  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,334
    Someone's having a bad day.
  • edited August 2017 Posts: 4,622
    No wonder Mendes never did a commentary for SP.
    Probably figured he had a lot to answer for, including stuff like , "well in this scene Waltz was again just barely doing what I asked , and giving me the finger when I wasn't looking
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    The commentary I would love to hear is one from Waltz , giving us the lowdown on butting heads with Sammy.
    Edited by NicNac for over-enthusiastic use of profanities.
  • timmer wrote: »
    The commentary I would love to hear is one from Waltz , giving us the lowdown on butting heads with Sammy.

    That would be entertaining.
    TWINE was legitimately great

    Was it? Can you point me in the direction of which authority issued this seal of approval?

    You're right: forthwith I will demand authorized seals of approval from anyone deigning to assign verdicts of quality to any Bond film in the series. Watch out "Moonraker Appreciation Thread," I'm coming for you!
  • edited August 2017 Posts: 17,357
    Just a "what if"-thought:
    How could a Tarantino-written (not necessarily directed) Bond-film be? Always found Tarantino's writing to be entertaining and colourful.

    They should be bringing in John Michael McDonagh, it'd be like hiring Paul Haggis or John Logan for touch ups, only better.

    Anything this McDonagh has written you'd recommend?
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
    Posts: 1,187
    timmer wrote: »
    The commentary I would love to hear is one from Waltz , giving us the lowdown on butting heads with Sammy.

    That would be entertaining.
    TWINE was legitimately great

    Was it? Can you point me in the direction of which authority issued this seal of approval?

    You're right: forthwith I will demand authorized seals of approval from anyone deigning to assign verdicts of quality to any Bond film in the series. Watch out "Moonraker Appreciation Thread," I'm coming for you!
    You tell em, hero!
  • Posts: 4,602
    "The cellar" scene set the benchmark for how Walz could be used within a movie to produce an iconic piece of cinema where the audience become totally involved. Movie fans wanted some of that to carry over into SP but we got nothing.

    QT really does know how to produce tension and its a real weakness for SP (and to some extent SF) Walz was wasted, no doubt IMHO and very hard to come back IMHO
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    I'm willing to give Waltz the benefit of the doubt but his performance was one of the things that let SPECTRE down for me but if he and Sam were not seeing eye to eye on things that possibly played into it.

    That and the dreadful plot and script.

    Maybe if he gets a director that gels with him and they can nail a fully unmasked ESB, Waltz might blow us all away.

    I think if he does come back he'll feel he has something to prove considering he's admits he didn't get it right the first time.

    Guess we'll see but I say the smart money is on his return.
  • edited August 2017 Posts: 11,119
    Shardlake wrote: »
    I'm willing to give Waltz the benefit of the doubt but his performance was one of the things that let SPECTRE down for me but if he and Sam were not seeing eye to eye on things that possibly played into it.

    That and the dreadful plot and script.

    Maybe if he gets a director that gels with him and they can nail a fully unmasked ESB, Waltz might blow us all away.

    I think if he does come back he'll feel he has something to prove considering he's admits he didn't get it right the first time.

    Guess we'll see but I say the smart money is on his return.

    I think the biggest problem for me with "SPECTRE" was that there was too little narrative explanation for certain action.

    I mean, suddenly Hinx was there during the SPECTRE-Meeting. Oberhauser/Blofeld should at least have said something like "Ladies & gentlemen? Please welcome my chiropractor Mr Hinx!". Simple line, and you then have a better explanation about the relationship between Hinx & Oberhauser/Blofeld.

    You know? Just a bit more 'exposition' as to why things happen in the film. Some more elaborate lines for the characters that explain certain actions.

    Another one: Blofeld's lair in the Moroccan crater. I think Sam Mendes should have looked a bit more extensively to "Dr. No". There should have been an extensive dinner sequence in his bungalow and then he should have been locked up. Hinx should have stayed alive and he could have done the torture sequence, while Blofeld was witnessing for a moment. Then he leaves...and....fill out the blanks
  • edited August 2017 Posts: 386
    I agree with much of the P&W criticism, but I can only applaud what they tried to achieve with TWINE.

    Whenever I think of that movie, I hear Ewen McGregor shouting "you were the chosen one!"

    Everything about that feature suggests that the producers were hell-bent on creating Brosnan's masterpiece. He never got it.

    It is arguably one of the biggest disappointments of the canon. Funnily enough I think TWINE did MI6 under attack better than SF. Brosnan was on form. The locations were solid. The script was, in my opinion, some of the writers' best work.

    And yet... the female leads weren't memorable. Robbie Coltrane lost his menace. Apted was okay with the drama but apart from the PTS the action was limp. Pierce probably deserved his classic but hey, that's filmmaking.

    I don't want P&W back, they've had their six, but the grey area between the initial script and the shooting script is very murky, particularly for this franchise.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2017 Posts: 23,883
    TWINE sealed Brosnan's fate as Bond.

    It only took 5 more years, and one more film, before it became official.
  • GetCarter wrote: »
    I agree with much of the P&W criticism, but I can only applaud what they tried to achieve with TWINE.

    Whenever I think of that movie, I hear Ewen McGregor shouting "you were the chosen one!"

    Everything about that feature suggests that the producers were hell-bent on creating Brosnan's masterpiece. He never got it.

    It is arguably one of the biggest disappointments of the canon. Funnily enough I think TWINE did MI6 under attack better than SF. Brosnan was on form. The locations were solid. The script was, in my opinion, some of the writers' best work.

    And yet... the female leads weren't memorable. Robbie Coltrane lost his menace. Apted was okay with the drama but apart from the PTS the action was limp. Pierce probably deserved his classic but hey, that's filmmaking.

    I don't want P&W back, they've had their six, but the grey area between the initial script and the shooting script is very murky, particularly for this franchise.

    For me, TWINE is Brosnan's JB masterpiece, pulling together the best elements of GE and TND into the ultimate Bond experience. I agree with all your positives, yet hold a 180 degree view on your minuses. I think Sophie Marceau was fantastic as both Bond girl and villainess and Denise Richards was a babe and perfectly entertaining as the sassy supermodel nuclear physicist. Pure Bondian fantasy. Robbie Coltrane offered a different Valentin from GE, trading grouchy thuggery for warmth and humor. And I find the action scenes in TWINE, from the banker's office to the Thames chase to the bunker shootout to the caviar factory to the upturned submarine, among the most inventive and most entertaining of the series. But we all see these films differently, don't we?
  • Posts: 1,162
    Getafix wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    I would like to see Waltz get a second chance as Blofeld. Give him something to sink his teeth into and show his more ruthless side.

    That would require the right director and much better writing. So far with p+w returning we're 0 for 2.

    Very true.

    P+W have been the downfall of many a Bond movie. They are abysmally bad.

    I've said it before, I'll say it again: there may be better writers out there, but P&W really aren't bad for Bond. TWINE was legitimately great, DAD had good ideas that were warped by Tamahori, no complaints about CR apart from the "little finger" thing, their work on QoS was legit, I have no idea what survived from them on SF, and they took over from Logan on SP at the 11th hour with the no-win situation of being told, "We need you to base the climax around Westminster Bridge because we've already built the set." Plus P&W have worked a pretty amazing amount of Fleming into their films. What exactly they've done wrong for the series, I have yet to see.

    Couldn't have said it better! Probably not even half as good.
  • Posts: 1,162
    Getafix wrote: »
    Their plots and dialogue are sh*t.

    And TWINE is an unmitigated turkey from start to finish.

    They represent everything that's wrong with EON. Tired and devoid of ideas.

    I really really fail to see what problems all you people have with TWINE. It's one of the very very few after Fleming scripts that could really reasonate as a serious spy novel on its own merit and not just because of being a Bond story.
  • mattjoesmattjoes matjoevakia
    Posts: 6,795
    Getafix wrote: »
    Waltz himself admits he didn't really nail it. There was also tension between Waltz and Mendes about how to portray the character.

    Care to provide some more info on this, a source perhaps? Certainly interesting.
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