Live And Let Die vs Tomorrow Never Dies - By the Elements

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  • Posts: 414
    PTS: LTK
    Title Track: Dr. No (Seems like blasphemy to vote for anything over the classic Bond theme)
    Title Credits: Dr. No (Something unique about the flashing shapes and colors before years of girls and guns)
    Main Villain: Dr. No (One of the classics)
    Main Bond Girl: Dr. No
    Overall Plot: Dr. No
    Dialogue: LTK
    Score: LTK
    Settings: LTK
    Action: LTK
    Humor: LTK (I know it's considered one of the most humorless Bond movies, but thinking about it, Wayne Newton's antics, Bond's interactions with Q, a lot of the one-liners . . . LTK is darker but still has some of the funniest comic relief of the series)
    Cinematography: LTK
    Benign Bizarre: Dr. No
    Suspense: Dr. No
    Minor Characters: LTK
    Glamour: Dr. No
    Ally: LTK (I've been thinking this for a while, but really this category should be "allies." Plural. Felix Leiter & Puss Feller & Quarrel vs. Felix Leiter & Sharkey & Q. Q as an active ally is the tie-breaker for me here.)

    License to Kill: 9
    Dr. No: 8

    As close to a tie as you can get. Not just by final scores, but by the split decision I had to make in a lot of the categories. Never realized how closely the two films matched when weighed by the elements before.
  • Posts: 1,596

    Title Track: Dr. No (close one....... jk)
    Title Credits: Dr. No
    Main Villain: Dr. No
    Main Bond Girl: Dr. No (not even close, but I do like Pam)
    Overall Plot: Dr. No
    Dialogue: Licence to Kill
    Score: Dr. No (Norman's score fits the locales and beats "Die Hard again" any day)
    Settings: Dr. No
    Action: Licence to Kill
    Humor: Dr. No
    Cinematography: Dr. No
    Benign Bizarre: Dr. No
    Suspense: Dr. No
    Minor Characters: Dr. No (actually close here)
    Glamour: Dr. No
    Ally: Dr. No

    15-2 Good lord. I like LTK quite a bit. I think the films are somewhat similar in their "low key"-ness and DN just edges it in about every category. That's my justification for the beating, although I do prefer DN.
  • PTS: LTK
    Title Track: LTK
    Title Credits: LTK
    Main Villain: DN (I do love Sanchez, but Dr. No outclasses him)
    Main Bond Girl: LTK (Pam's awesome)
    Overall Plot: LTK
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: LTK
    Settings: DN (Gorgeous settings)
    Action: LTK (Lot more action I'd say)
    Humor: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN (Dude with metal hands, nuff said)
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: DN (Three Blind Mice, Prof. Dent, yea)
    Glamour: DN
    Ally: LTK (Sharkey FTW!)

    9-8 License to Kill


  • Posts: 1,817
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: LTK
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: LTK
    Score: LTK
    Settings: DN
    Action: LTK
    Humor: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: LTK (professor Joe Butcher!)
    Glamour: DN
    Ally: DN

    DN - 9
    LTK - 7

    But I prefer LTK overall...
  • Posts: 1,631
    PTS: LTK
    Title Track: LTK
    Title Credits: LTK
    Main Villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: LTK (Pam's the best of the whole franchise, IMO)
    Overall Plot: LTK
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: LTK
    Settings: DN
    Action: LTK
    Humor: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN (kind of by default, really)
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: LTK
    Glamour: DN
    Ally: LTK

    11-6 in favor of Licence to Kill

    Kind of surprised that it was that close, actually, but LTK still wins it pretty easily, seeing as how it's my favorite film in the franchise.



  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,484
    Both pretty much equally epic- perhaps LTK appeals to me a tad bit more. Let's see...

    Title Track: LTK (I'm in the minority here who really like this theme in general)
    Title Credits: LTK (DN playing snake with the gun barrel dots is cool though)
    Main Villain: LTK (I am loyal to Franz)
    Main Bond Girl: LTK (Honey is prettier and has a more fleshed out background, but Bond girls who can handle their own are more appealing to me)
    Overall Plot: TIE (seriously cannot decide between the two)
    Dialogue: DN (tough decision, but Bond's banter with No beats his conversation with M at Hemingway House)
    Score: LTK
    Settings: DN (even though I'd love to go to Florida and Mexico, I'll move to the Bahamas one day...)
    Action: LTK (fishing for planes, water skiing behind planes, jumping onto vehicles from planes- when it comes to action, it's plane to see why LTK soars above DN)
    Humor: LTK (we gave her a nice honeymooooooooooooooooon)
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: LTK
    Suspense: DN (redshirts tracking Bond and co. at Crab Key, spider scene, Mr Jones reaching for his gun, dragonsh)
    Minor Characters: DN (Dent, Taro, Jones, 3 Blind Mice all great, but I do like Dario & Prof. Joe, bless his heart)
    Glamour: DN (No's lair springs to mind- you were wondering what it cost?)
    Ally: LTK

    LTK: 9 / DN: 6 / 1 tie
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,886
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: LTK
    Overall Plot: LTK
    Dialogue: LTK
    Score: LTK
    Settings: DN
    Action: LTK
    Humor: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: LTK
    Glamour: DN
    Ally: DN

    Wow, a tie at 8-8.
  • Get your final entries in, friends and neighbors.
  • Posts: 3,336
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: LTK
    Main Villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Overall Plot: LTK
    Dialogue: LTK
    Score: LTK
    Settings: DN
    Action: LTK
    Humor: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: LTK
    Glamour: DN
    Ally: DN

    8-8
  • After a worthy contest, Dr. No triumphs by a margin of 202-159-2! We had a bit lower turnout this round than in previous ones, but no matter. On we must press to our next match, as advertised previously, GoldenEye vs. Skyfall!

    PTS: GE
    Title Track: GE
    Title Credits: GE
    Main Villain: SF (close one)
    Main Bond Girl: GE
    Overall Plot: GE
    Dialogue: GE (close one)
    Score: SF (not exactly a titan, but Serra's score remains Serra's score)
    Settings: SF
    Action: GE
    Humor: SF
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: SF
    Suspense: GE
    Minor Characters: GE
    Glamour: GE
    Ally: SF

    A 10-7 victory for GoldenEye! A bit wider than I'd have thought, since they're at 5 and 6 on the old Bond ranking, but a close fight nonetheless.

    Your votes now, please (and mods, please update the title, as ever).
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,788
    PTS: GE
    Title Track: GE
    Title Credits: GE
    Main Villain: GE
    Main Bond Girl: GE
    Overall Plot: GE
    Dialogue: GE
    Score: GE
    Settings: SF
    Action: GE
    Humor: GE
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: SF
    Suspense: GE
    Minor Characters: GE
    Glamour: GE
    Ally: SF
    13 to 4 for GE
  • Posts: 6,396
    PTS: SF
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: SF
    Main Bond Girl: SF
    Overall Plot: SF
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: SF
    Settings: SF
    Action: SF
    Humor: SF
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: SF
    Suspense: SF
    Minor Characters: SF
    Glamour: SF
    Ally: SF

    A 17-0 thumping for SF.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    PTS: Skyfall
    Title Track: Skyfall
    Title Credits: Skyfall
    Main Villain: Skyfall
    Main Bond Girl: GoldenEye
    Overall Plot: Skyfall
    Dialogue: Skyfall
    Score: Skyfall
    Settings: Skyfall
    Action: Skyfall
    Humor: Skyfall
    Cinematography: Skyfall
    Benign Bizarre: Skyfall
    Suspense: Skyfall
    Minor Characters: Skyfall
    Glamour: Skyfall
    Ally: Skyfall

    Or thereabouts.
  • edited August 2014 Posts: 1,631
    PTS: GE
    Title Track: GE
    Title Credits: GE
    Main Villain: GE
    Main Bond Girl: GE
    Overall Plot: GE
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: GE
    Settings: SF
    Action: GE
    Humor: GE
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: SF
    Suspense: GE
    Minor Characters: GE
    Glamour: GE
    Ally: GE

    13-4 in favor of GoldenEye
  • edited August 2014 Posts: 12,837
    I have a question . Who is the main Bind girl in SF? Both girls had little screentime. I prefer Severine to Natalya (Severine is actually my favourite Bond girl) but if it's Moneypenny (who was wooden and had crap chemistry with Craig imo) then Natalya wins by far for me.

    @WillyGalore 17-0, really? Come on. I can think of at least one category which GE definetely wins in by far: action (bungee jump, tank chase, archive shootout, the finale, nothing in SF is on the same level). To each his own I guess. Anyway

    PTS: GE
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: GE
    Main villain: SF (love Sean Bean but Silva was just brilliant, only Sanchez beats him imo)
    Main Bond girl: (again, assuming it's Moneypenny not Severine representing SF here) GE
    Overall Plot: GE
    Dialouge: GE (very close but I think GE just about edges it)
    Score: SF (not a fan of either)
    Settings: SF
    Action: GE (by a mile)
    Humour: SF
    Cinematography: SF
    Bizarre: GE
    Suspense: GE
    Minor characters: GE
    Glamour: SF
    Ally: SF

    GE just edges it.

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    edited August 2014 Posts: 45,489
    PTS: SF
    Title Track: GE
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: SF
    Main Bond Girl: SF
    Overall Plot: SF
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: SF
    Settings: SF
    Action: SF
    Humor: SF
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: SF
    Suspense: SF
    Minor Characters: SF
    Glamour: SF
    Ally: SF

    16-1 in favor of Skyfall
  • Oof, @WillyGalore. Even @Thunderfinger, Mr. I-Hate-Brosnan himself, gave it a better showing than you did.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Oof, @WillyGalore. Even @Thunderfinger, Mr. I-Hate-Brosnan himself, gave it a better showing than you did.

    Who is that? Samuel? Or George?
  • Oof, @WillyGalore. Even @Thunderfinger, Mr. I-Hate-Brosnan himself, gave it a better showing than you did.

    Who is that? Samuel? Or George?

    What if it's Samuel-George?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Oof, @WillyGalore. Even @Thunderfinger, Mr. I-Hate-Brosnan himself, gave it a better showing than you did.

    Who is that? Samuel? Or George?

    What if it's Samuel-George?

    http://www.bfna.org/person/samuel-george

    Him? What a person!
  • Posts: 12,433
    PTS: GE
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: GE (very very close)
    Main Bond Girl: GE
    Overall Plot: SF
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: SF
    Settings: SF
    Action: SF
    Humor: GE
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: GE
    Suspense: SF
    Minor Characters: SF
    Glamour: SF
    Ally: SF

    SF - 12, GE - 5

    Kind of a blowout, but I love both of these - both in my Top 5.
  • Two of my favourite latter-day Bond films.

    PTS: GoldenEye
    Title Track: GoldenEye
    Title Credits: GoldenEye
    Main Villain: Skyfall
    Main Bond Girl: GoldenEye
    Overall Plot: GoldenEye
    Dialogue: GoldenEye
    Score: Skyfall (I'm slowly warming up to GoldenEye's score though, but the starting point was chilly enough to let Skyfall get away with it)
    Settings: Skyfall
    Action: GoldenEye
    Humor: Skyfall
    Cinematography: Skyfall
    Benign Bizarre: Skyfall
    Suspense: Skyfall
    Minor Characters: GoldenEye
    Glamour: Skyfall
    Ally: GoldenEye

    GoldenEye: 9
    Skyfall: 8
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,346
    PTS: GoldenEye
    Title Track: GoldenEye
    Title Credits: GoldenEye
    Main Villain: GoldenEye
    Main Bond Girl: GoldenEye
    Overall Plot: GoldenEye
    Dialogue: GoldenEye
    Score: GoldenEye
    Settings: GoldenEye
    Action: GoldenEye
    Humor: GoldenEye
    Cinematography: GoldenEye
    Benign Bizarre: Skyfall
    Suspense: GoldenEye
    Minor Characters: GoldenEye
    Glamour: GoldenEye
    Ally: GoldenEye

    GoldenEye: 17
    Skyfall: 1
  • Posts: 1,596
    Just wanted to say @Soundofthesinners that these are a lot of fun. So thank you!

    PTS: GoldenEye
    Title Track: Skyfall
    Title Credits: GoldenEye
    Main Villain: GoldenEye (close)
    Main Bond Girl: GoldenEye
    Overall Plot: GoldenEye
    Dialogue: Skyfall
    Score: GoldenEye
    Settings: Skyfall (close)
    Action: GoldenEye
    Humor: GoldenEye (close)
    Cinematography: Skyfall
    Benign Bizarre: GoldenEye
    Suspense: GoldenEye
    Minor Characters: GoldenEye
    Glamour: Skyfall
    Ally: Skyfall

    11-6 in favor of childhood favorite GoldenEye.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    PTS: GE
    Title Track: GE
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: GE
    Main Bond Girl: GE
    Overall Plot: GE
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: SF
    Settings: SF
    Action: GE
    Humor: GE
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: GE
    Suspense: GE
    Minor Characters: GE
    Glamour: SF
    Ally: SF

    SF - 7 GE - 10
  • edited September 2014 Posts: 7,653
    PTS: GE
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: GE
    Main Villain: GE
    Main Bond Girl: GE
    Overall Plot: GE
    Dialogue: GE
    Score: GE
    Settings: GE
    Action: GE
    Humor: GE
    Cinematography: GE
    Benign Bizarre: GE
    Suspense: GE
    Minor Characters: GE
    Glamour: GE
    Ally: GE

    SF - GE = 1-16
  • Thank you very much @ThighsOfXenia. And this is quite a comeback for GoldenEye all of sudden.
  • edited August 2014 Posts: 12,837
    I think some people are being biased now (some in favour of GE and some in favour of SF).

    For all those who are voting 17-0 or 17-1 to GE, try to look past your nostalgia for Goldeneye and look at things objectively. I love Goldeneye too and prefer it to Skyfall but there is stuff SF does better (I don't see how anyone could say GE has better cinematography for example).

    Same goes for the people giving landslide victories to SF. You might not like the Brosnan era but try to look past that and look at things objectively. There is stuff GE does better (I don't see how anyone could say that SF has better action for example).
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,346
    I think some people are being biased now (some in favour of GE and some in favour of SF).

    For all those who are voting 17-0 or 17-1 to GE, try to look past your nostalgia for Goldeneye and look at things objectively. I love Goldeneye too and prefer it to Skyfall but there is stuff SF does better (I don't see how anyone could say GE has better cinematography for example).

    Same goes for the people giving landslide victories to SF. You might not like the Brosnan era but try to look past that and look at things objectively. There is stuff GE does better (I don't see how anyone could say that SF has better action for example).

    Isn't the point of this thread about bias anyway?
  • Posts: 7,653
    I think some people are being biased now (some in favour of GE and some in favour of SF).

    For all those who are voting 17-0 or 17-1 to GE, try to look past your nostalgia for Goldeneye and look at things objectively. I love Goldeneye too and prefer it to Skyfall but there is stuff SF does better (I don't see how anyone could say GE has better cinematography for example).

    Same goes for the people giving landslide victories to SF. You might not like the Brosnan era but try to look past that and look at things objectively. There is stuff GE does better (I don't see how anyone could say that SF has better action for example).

    While I enjoy GE as a good 007 installment I gladly walk away when SF is around. SF is vastly overrated visually it looks nice but is nothing special. Whereas GE imho has everything that I want in a 007 movie.

    SF is the2nd attempt in which Craig does not get a better movie as his 1st. I am not full of confidence when it comes to the next one.

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