Parts of Bond Movies that Don't Make Sense

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  • DB5DB5
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    And after all that shooting and the house crumbling into the sea and Vsper drowning, did Bond ever actually get the money back? He shoots Mr. White at the end, but I don't remember him still having the breiefcase. What happened to the money?
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    Did "M" have a burr up his ass in "The Man With the Golden Gun"? After a recent viewing of the film, I'm beginning to think he did. I'm a little puzzled by why he was so hostile toward Bond, following the assassination of that scientist named Gibson in Hong Kong. The assassination wasn't Bond's fault. Bond had followed M's order to discover who had sent him a golden bullet with his OO number carved into it. Bond had traced the bullet to Scaramanga in Hong Kong. He was simply at the wrong place and at the wrong time, when Scaramanga killed Gibson. So, why was "M" so hostile to Bond, acting as if the incident was the latter's fault?



    And after all that shooting and the house crumbling into the sea and Vsper drowning, did Bond ever actually get the money back? He shoots Mr. White at the end, but I don't remember him still having the breiefcase. What happened to the money?

    Mr. White had put the money in his car trunk. It's obvious that Bond saw him do this. Bond must have taken the money after shooting White and before the rendezvous with M in Siena.
  • Bernard Lee's M didn't tolerate any nonsense, even from Bond himself, and in Golden Gun he does get a little more ratty than usual. I like the way when Lee is a state of despair on the abandoned ship in Hong Kong harbor, and a naval officer comes in, and M goes (in a fed up tone) "And what do you want"

    The man tells him some good news about Scaramanga's whereabouts if I recall, and Lee immediately cheers up, and becomes almost pleasant and says "Well, that's something"

    As with Bond himself, M works better as a no nonsense serious figure, something that Dench also did so well. Robert Brown also took this route, but was so dull with it, an almost lifeless figure

    Once again and for the last time, the sinking building in Italy was quite absurd as the waters in the vicinity wouldn't have been deep enough to have accomodated it. Almost spoilt a very good Bond release, but it was a dramatic and fun sequence of events, and the Green drowning was quite touching and well done
  • edited December 2012 Posts: 546
    In the simplest terms, Moon, as a North Korean military officer, was assumed dead in the pre credits sequence, and his father had Bond imprisoned for fourteen months as a direct result of it. Moon, however survived and underwent DNA surgery to alter his image in Cuba and reappeared later in the movie as Gustav Graves. He intended to invade South Korea in an attempt to make the North one of the worlds superpowers

    I know that! LOL! What I'm trying to say in the simpleest terms is that Purvies & Wade should have made Gustav Graves as one person instead of him getting plastic surgery. You don't need to give me a history lesson, because I know how Colonel Moon became Gustav Graves.
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    As with Bond himself, M works better as a no nonsense serious figure, something that Dench also did so well. Robert Brown also took this route, but was so dull with it, an almost lifeless figure.


    This doesn't explain why M was mad at Bond over Gibson's death in "TMWTGG", when the entire incident wasn't Bond's fault.

    And Robert Brown was excellent as a no nonsense "M" against Dalton's Bond.
  • @Goldeneye It was merely the way you put it in the initial response, what was I to think

    @DRush I think Lee was just upset at losing the solex above all else, when Nick Nack came in and sneaked off with it, but Yes, it wasn't entirely Bonds fault, but will have to watch the sequence again as I haven't seen Golden Gun in some time

    I didn't like Brown much at all either. Banal, mundane, totally devoid of character, it was like having a cardboard cutout on screen. Seemed a bit rushed a lot of the time also, wasn't as phlegmatic as Lee in the office, if you understand. Seemed always in a bit of a hurry I always found when Dalton was in the role
  • After carefully reading this entire thread, and having many questions answered, I still have one question which was never brought up.

    In CR, why doesn't Bond/MI6 just arrest Le Chiffre when they have the chance? I know that eventually Bond has an agreement with Felix, in that Felix will give Bond the rest of his chips while Bond allows the CIA to arrest Le Chiffre, but why would they wait until after the poker game? Its not like Le Chiffre was protected by scores of henchmen. Obanno and that other African man simply broke into Le Chiffre's room and could've easily killed him and his girlfriend.

    The best answer I can think of is that they wanted to try and get the 10 million that he used for his buy-in, just so that Quantum would be out of 10 million dollars.
  • 002002
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    Charles Gray played both Dikko Henderson and Blofeld..

    Maud Adams played both Andrea Anders and Octopussy..

    Robert Brown played both Admiral Hardgreaves and M (although, one could say that the admiral was promoted into the position... still, nevertheless)

    Joe Don Baker played both Brad Whitaker and Jack Wade..

    it seems to be a trend in Bond... if they (the producers) like an actor enough, i guess they will invite them back in different roles if need be.... i have no problem with it - i think it's kind of fun in a way. lol.

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    Dont forget the admiral Chuck from Goldeneye was played by the same actor who appeared in Never Say Never Agian where his charater spent the duration of his scene holding Bond's Cigarette case thinking it was a bomb in a closet
  • samainsysamainsy Suspended
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    DB5 wrote:
    I was just wondering if anyone else ever thinks about the parts of James Bond movies that simply make no sense. I'll go first. In "Goldfinger" Bond is in bed with Jill Masterson, he goes to the refrigerator in his hotel room to get another bottle of champagne, and the next thing you know Oddjob gives him a karate chop across the neck and knocks him out. OK, here's my question: How does Oddjob get into Bond's room? And how, being a secret agent, doesn't Bond know that he's there? I mean, I know he's preoccupied with other things with Jill Masterson, but come on! Anyone have any thoughts on this, or other parts of Bond movies that make no sense?
    He knocks Jill out or is hiding in there?

  • DB5DB5
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    samainsy wrote:
    DB5 wrote:
    I was just wondering if anyone else ever thinks about the parts of James Bond movies that simply make no sense. I'll go first. In "Goldfinger" Bond is in bed with Jill Masterson, he goes to the refrigerator in his hotel room to get another bottle of champagne, and the next thing you know Oddjob gives him a karate chop across the neck and knocks him out. OK, here's my question: How does Oddjob get into Bond's room? And how, being a secret agent, doesn't Bond know that he's there? I mean, I know he's preoccupied with other things with Jill Masterson, but come on! Anyone have any thoughts on this, or other parts of Bond movies that make no sense?
    He knocks Jill out or is hiding in there?

    What do you mean maybe he knocks Jill out? When Bond goes to the refrigerator Jill is functioning quite well, in many respects! And yes he was obviously hiding in Bond's room. My question was "How did he get there?"

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    A chilling thought.
    What if Oddjob was in the room the whole time watching them?
    An envious position for some! :\"> :))
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    A chilling thought.
    What if Oddjob was in the room the whole time watching them?
    An envious position for some! :\"> :))

    Freud would have loved you...
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    I think it's perfectly feasible that Oddjob could of gained entry to the room (Bond didn't have much trouble gaining access himself), so what's the big deal here. And Bond doesn't realize he's there ? Bond may be a secret agent, but he doesn't possess X-ray vision that enables him to see through walls. If Oddjob was present, and hiding away somewhere and at any given time, it doesn't strike me as some great mystery. Sekata may well have been there the whole time, who's to say he wasn't. Guess I'll have to watch this sequence again, but it's a release I can't generally abide
  • Posts: 101
    Well the Fleming book explains that Oddjob has had ninja training.
    "Ninjas. The art of concealment and surprise."
    He is silent but deadly.
    A bit like my fluffs! =))
  • DB5DB5
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    No, Bond and Jill aren't in Goldfinger's room when they're in bed together, they're in Bond's room. You know this because Felix calls Bond to invite him to dinner. If Bond is in Goldfinger's room how does Felix call him? And after Bond discovers Jill dead he calls Felix and says "Get up here right away." Obviously he means his (Bond's) room.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Well the Fleming book explains that Oddjob has had ninja training.
    "Ninjas. The art of concealment and surprise."
    He is silent but deadly.
    A bit like my fluffs! =))

    You have more flags than the UN headquarters at the moment.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Well the Fleming book explains that Oddjob has had ninja training.
    "Ninjas. The art of concealment and surprise."
    He is silent but deadly.
    A bit like my fluffs! =))

    You have more flags than the UN headquarters at the moment.

    I have a sinking feeling that this is our "old friend" playing with a new persona. 8-|
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    'happiest in the trolling'....
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Murdock wrote:
    Well the Fleming book explains that Oddjob has had ninja training.
    "Ninjas. The art of concealment and surprise."
    He is silent but deadly.
    A bit like my fluffs! =))

    You have more flags than the UN headquarters at the moment.

    I have a sinking feeling that this is our "old friend" playing with a new persona. 8-|

    While Buttons does have certain strong and inappropriate sexual tendencies that come out and play, this is just another troll, and definitely not him. For one thing, this one is at least literate. From this we can judge that he may very well be able to dress himself in the mornings, which is leaps and bounds over the abilities of Buttons.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Murdock wrote:
    Well the Fleming book explains that Oddjob has had ninja training.
    "Ninjas. The art of concealment and surprise."
    He is silent but deadly.
    A bit like my fluffs! =))

    You have more flags than the UN headquarters at the moment.

    I have a sinking feeling that this is our "old friend" playing with a new persona. 8-|

    While Buttons does have certain strong and inappropriate sexual tendencies that come out and play, this is just another troll, and definitely not him. For one thing, this one is at least literate. From this we can judge that he may very well be able to dress himself in the mornings, which is leaps and bounds over the abilities of Buttons.

    Let's just hope he doesn't make embarrassingly hilarious videos too. :))


    Anyway here's a legitimate concern. Why was Mrs. Bell put in Intensive Care? she didn't get hurt or anything.
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    I'm not trolling.
    Just trying to offer some humourous perspective on the Oddjob scene.
    By all means, bitch and bitch away!
    Prattling on like children, honestly.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    @Murdock, I have a new troll law.

    It states that after a set amount of time when the said troll knows he or she is revealed, they will loose all inhibitions and go on a mindless tirade where they use their lacking amount of intellect to troll up the site before they are finally double tapped by the moderators and administrators. It seems inevitable that trolls will get sick of not getting attention and do anything within their limited means to attain it, though they fail every time as this fool is. It would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited April 2013 Posts: 14,515
    Murdock wrote:
    Why was Mrs. Bell put in Intensive Care? she didn't get hurt or anything.
    Because when it comes to seeing James Bond in action, she had front row seats. ;)

    But seriously, that's a good question- as having the wings ripped off your plane while you're in it- and still on the ground wouldn't be as nerve-racking as being up in the air in one of those little Cessnas IMO.
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    QBranch wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    Why was Mrs. Bell put in Intensive Care? she didn't get hurt or anything.
    Because when it comes to seeing James Bond in action, she had front row seats. ;)

    But seriously, that's a good question- as having the wings ripped off your plane while you're in it- and still on the ground wouldn't be as nerve-racking as being up in the air in one of those little Cessnas IMO.

    I always took that line to be a sarcastic response from Felix.

    Always gives me a chuckle!
  • edited April 2013 Posts: 69
    Matt wrote:
    QBranch wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    Why was Mrs. Bell put in Intensive Care? she didn't get hurt or anything.
    Because when it comes to seeing James Bond in action, she had front row seats. ;)

    But seriously, that's a good question- as having the wings ripped off your plane while you're in it- and still on the ground wouldn't be as nerve-racking as being up in the air in one of those little Cessnas IMO.

    I always took that line to be a sarcastic response from Felix.

    Always gives me a chuckle!

    Quite right, Bond is going around causing absolute bloody mayhem. The downright cheek of him then asking after Mrs Bell could only warrant a sarcastic reply.

    As an aside, Mrs Bell's face at the end of her little adventure with Bond in the plane is absolute quality! "Same time next week, Mrs Bell?"

  • It seems inevitable that trolls will get sick of not getting attention
    Fortunately for them, you're here to keep on playing with them. Otherwise they'd meet silence here...
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Suivez_ce_parachute, if you truly believe that one member is responsible for the return and activity of each and every troll, then you couldn't be any more clueless. They take drastic measures when they're unheard, as we've seen in the past few weeks.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited April 2013 Posts: 28,694
    It seems inevitable that trolls will get sick of not getting attention
    Fortunately for them, you're here to keep on playing with them. Otherwise they'd meet silence here...
    Have you ever been here when some of the biggest attacks happen? As I have said, ignoring them is just as futile as anything. They will come back again and again no matter what we do, just because they get bored and have nothing else better to do with their everyday lives; that's how it goes. They come on the site, spam us, get banned, and do it again (now about twelve times and counting) after a short break before they return to create havoc again. There are people you can't negotiate with, and this Buttons person is certifiably cracked.
  • edited April 2013 Posts: 4,813
    Well from here on out I won't be acknowledging them- even if he does post porn and corpses. Just flag and ignore. We'll get the good ol' board back soon enough.

    Porn and Corpses. I should start a heavy metal band because that's a great name.... :-?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited April 2013 Posts: 28,694
    Well from here on out I won't be acknowledging them- even if he does post porn and corpses. Just flag and ignore. We'll get the good ol' board back soon enough.

    Porn and Corpses. I should start a heavy metal band because that's a great name.... :-?

    I would much rather see you, @DarthDimi, @MajorDSmythe, @thelivingroyale and @chrisisall tour the world as The Daltonites!

    Timothy_dalton_james_bond_stratocaster.jpg

    \m/
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