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We're saying the same thing. I don't see the DC era as being consistent with the other eras, I see it as it's own beast, with a few little winks to the past, that don't generally compromise the narrative. 'Exploding pens' is a knowing gag that worked well. The DB5 is a different kettle of fish, it's the exact car from GF. The whole 'kitting out' theory is just that and it's not in any way tonally consistent with the Craig era. The film was written by P&W featuring the car Bond won in CR. It was Mendes who thought it would be fun to include the gadgets. For me it's tonally at odds with the era.
Ok. Yes, we're saying the same thing essentially. I've just given up on continuity with Bond (it's become too complicated to keep track) so the DB5 did not bother me. I agree though that it is tonally inconsistent, but as I'd given up on continuity I just was happy to see it again, and hear it more so.
It can be fun to try and link things, even when there's no link there and it wasn't intended - If people want to think that they could be they same car, why not let them think that?
I put forward that hypothesis in reply to another member.
So the fact that it may, or may not, be the same car is up to the individual viewer to interpret.
For me, the Craig films are their own story arc, but they do make self-reflective allusions to the previous 20 films--like an inside joke. In fact, the older films did that, too, as with "This never happened to the other guy" in OHMSS. From a pure plot/character standpoint, that line makes no sense. But who cares. We get it. It's metafictional.
The DB5 is one such instance. So is the pen.
Well, he's not a writer.
There's even weirder things about consistencies we can discuss when the movie is out (ie : leaks about the first screenplays for SPECTRE that Mendes was happy with enough to defend them, which are now very obsolete).
Completely agree @TripAces . Bond uttering the lines "This never happened to the other fella" in OHMSS. Vijay playing the James Bond-theme on his flute in OP. Bond wanting to use his ejector seat in SF.
If we become a bunch of Trekkies, wishing the Bond-universe to become completely devoid of any kind of the above references. If we start getting so irritated by those examples and use them as full attack on the quality of the actual film, then I advise to write letters to the Pinewood Studios, and make a list of things that should not be in a Bond film.
In the meanwhile, can we please.....focus on some positive ideas in here??? I mean, Aston Martin DB SIXXX? And for whatever kind of reason we're back at SF again. Sjee. Come up with some positive ideas.
Whenever he needs them! :))
Wrapping up Monday and Tuesday
And in other news:
"James Bond Spectre car chase shoot sees Rome flats hired out for £739 PER DAY.
Wealthy Russian tourists are willing to pay big bucks to watch the high-octane chase which will see Daniel Craig stop outside Mussolini’s private residence"
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/james-bond-spectre-car-chase-5168827#ICID=sharebar_twitter
http://variety.com/2015/film/news/louis-jourdan-star-of-octopussy-gigi-dies-at-93-1201434557/
It could very well be the same care. Alex Demtrios was a criminal and could have had his DB5 decked out with all kinds of illegal weapons and equipment. Or it could have been modified by Q Branch. It's not out of the realm of possibility. Why was Bond's suit different in the PTS of QoS since it takes place 13 minutes after CR ended? It's just nitpicking.
You're funny Mr Gorner :-P.
Yeah, another bald one. This is getting freaky. And most of these bald actors are ugly as well....quite ugly :-P (which is good for a villain though hehe)
The DB5 has narrative weight, the pen doesn't, it's a flippant 'in-joke' as you say. The DB5 is not flippant. It's used to progress the action and is why it's inclusion is baffling to me.
Does that mean
;)
--> Christoph Waltz (Austrian actor, Franz Oberhauser)
--> Dave Bautista (American actor, Mr. Hinx)
--> Monica Belluci (Italian actress, Lucia "Troublemaker" Sciarra) *rumoured*
--> Jesper Christensen (Danish actor, Mr White)
--> Andrew Scott (British actor, Denbigh) *rumoured*
--> Brigitte Millar (British actress. Rosa Klebb? Irma Bunt? Or other iconic henchwoman from the Bond franchise?)
--> Peppe Lanzetta (Italian actor, Lorenzo, BALD)
--> Detlef Bothe (German actor, tailing someone in cable car, BALD)
--> Marc Zinga (French actor, Oberhauser's assistant)
--> Wilhelm Iben (Austrian actor, BALD)
--> Victor Schefé (German actor, BALD)
--> Neve Gachev (Bulgarian actress, Clinic Patron)
And they all have something in common. They are not exactly...the most handsome or pretty human beings on Earth :-P. Except Belluci and Gachev off course!
I was wondering the same thing (about the baldness). I think it may be twofold: 1)throw a red herring regarding Blofeld, by having many villains, or potential villains, bald. 2)use shaved head with/without facial hair like in the novel MR: for terrorists/criminals to be able to change their appearance in a simple manner.
Because it was mentioned on the front-page of MI6-HQ.com when the news about Brigitte Millar was released. Well, there was this question that implied this ("Iconic henchwoman from the history of the Bond franchise?", @JamesPage ?). So nothing new from my side, as I implied the same.
Initially I thought Monica Bellucci could play such a henchwoman, but now Brigitte Millar seems more likely to be casted for such a role. Hence why I guess we could see the return of: Rosa Klebb, Irma Bunt or Helga Brand.
Regarding "Troublemaker"....."Sciarra" is old-Italian for Troublemaker or problem-maker. That's why I thought Monica could still play a bad girl after all.
ie "hey 007. We can trick out your new old-car just like we did for the agents back in 1964. You'll love it. Just leave it with us."
Edit: I thought of another explanation. There is a 6 year gap between CR and SF (2006-2012) In the interim, Bond ditched the CR car, and wangled the GF tricked-out edtion from Q Branch, which happened to have kept one around for posterity, as I am sure they do with much of the gear that's been used over the years.
They spruced up the equipped car, and loaned it to Bond, who later destroyed it at Skyfall.
If though, as @rc7 maintains, Purvis and Wade had intended that CR and SF cars to be the same, then our explanations, are just us fans having to stretch our imaginations to cover for Mendes' goofy, lazy storytelling.
IMO Mendes didn't give a crap. He just thought, throwing in the tricked-out DB5 would be a good gag. I didn't like it. The introduction of the DB5 in SF, was the low point of the film IMO, because it was so gratutitous, and requires us fans to jump through hoops to make sense of it.
My more conspiratorial take is that Mendes didn't want the Bond theme cluttering up his precious unique take on things, so he had to compartmentalize the theme with this non-sensical nod to the past, where the Bond theme belongs too apparently.
As for the exploding pen, thats just an in-joke for fans. The DC universe is new.
GE didn't happen, but that doesn't mean that this universe doesn't have its own history, that might also have included exploding pens.
Series was 50 years old. I think of skyfall as part of the whole canon not just the Craig universe. CR and QOS show a contemporary interpretation of the beginnings of the character. It's not Dr who.
Things get too complicated if you try to work out how he Defeated Goldfinger in a parallel timeline. To most people who saw skyfall they probably saw the car, got the joke and enjoyed the reference.