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  • JohnHammond73JohnHammond73 Lancashire, UK
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    I like that look, very New 52 I think. I will be surprised if that’s the final suit though.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited February 2018 Posts: 17,691
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Fans I guess were upset that Superman killed, but they didn't seem to mind all the times Reeve's Superman did the same, and worse, in his films.
    Wait- what? Where was THIS?
    @chrisisall, what do you mean?

    Let's compare how Reeve Superman and Cavill Superman handle Zod and his soldiers:

    Reeve Superman (and Lois) kills people that he knows are no threat to him, no more superhuman than Lex himself.
    EXCUSE ME? Who precisely got KILLED in the end of Superman II? In this scene (cut from Theatrical but not from the TV version) Zod, Non & Ursa are alive & being put into an arctic police transport.




  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    Fans I guess were upset that Superman killed, but they didn't seem to mind all the times Reeve's Superman did the same, and worse, in his films.
    Wait- what? Where was THIS?
    @chrisisall, what do you mean?

    Let's compare how Reeve Superman and Cavill Superman handle Zod and his soldiers:





    With Cavill Superman I see a hero forced to kill because he literally has no other choice: Zod was going to kill off all human life on the planet and make earth a new Krypton; basically, planet wide genocide for a massive coup. But Reeve Superman (and Lois) kills people that he knows are no threat to him, no more superhuman than Lex himself. What he does to a defenseless and powerless Zod should upset you if you get upset at seeing Superman kill a fully powered (and more powerful than he) Zod who wants to kill everything he loves and take control of the planet he must protect. The stakes necessitate Cavill Superman's action, but none of Reeve Superman's.

    This isn't even to say that killing doesn't have to be seen as bad right off, as people take that scene in MoS. Sometimes it's the only way, or a hero fails and death results. Nolan played with this in his Batman films, where Batman's failures lead to death or where he may be seen as implicated in deaths despite not killing directly himself. This isn't a charge against reeve Superman, as I don't really care, but when people make a big deal out of Cavill's Superman killing when you can see the pain and anguish the act gives him and compare it to Reeve Superman who just smirks after he kills someone (not unlike Keaton Batman at times, actually), you have to wonder why the former is the bad guy who isn't acting like Superman. Cavill acted like more of the Superman I know than Reeve's did even when Reeve's Superman had zero stakes and killed anyway. It just feels disingenuous to lay criticism at the feet of Cavill Superman when Reeve Superman could be seen as acting worse in that same fight against Zod and his henchpeople.

    I see the same sort of hypocrisy when people compare the battle damage of MoS while lauding the Marvel films. The battle in MoS was pretty nuts and went too far, sure, but have these people seen The Avengers (or any other Marvel film with a final battle) where New York is massively destroyed as well? MoS is the one that gets criticized, while Marvel seem forgotten. I just think that's hilariously dishonest.

    To be fair that's what Civil War was about with the Sakovia Accords; being kept in check and accountability. Even in the first Avengers film they touched on the damage and destruction and who was going to clean it up. Age of Ultron made a point in trying to minimise colattetal damage and trying to keep destruction isolated and spider-man homecoming had the vulture as being part of the clean up crew to handle the fallout of the events of the Avengers. I thinking fair to say Marvel have done a much better job with addressing battle damage and destruction. MoS was just straight up destruction porn. The hard-core kind.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Wow, now that’s comic accurate!!

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    Suit looks great, will look cool with the hud up.
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    Disappointed they went with the hood--Captain Marvel's classic outfit was perfect.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Fans I guess were upset that Superman killed, but they didn't seem to mind all the times Reeve's Superman did the same, and worse, in his films.
    Wait- what? Where was THIS?
    @chrisisall, what do you mean?

    Let's compare how Reeve Superman and Cavill Superman handle Zod and his soldiers:

    Reeve Superman (and Lois) kills people that he knows are no threat to him, no more superhuman than Lex himself.
    EXCUSE ME? Who precisely got KILLED in the end of Superman II? In this scene (cut from Theatrical but not from the TV version) Zod, Non & Ursa are alive & being put into an arctic police transport.




    Brady?
    Bueller?
    ;)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Revelator wrote: »
    Disappointed they went with the hood--Captain Marvel's classic outfit was perfect.
    I didn t notice that damn hood.
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    Wait a minute. Wasn
    doubleoego wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Fans I guess were upset that Superman killed, but they didn't seem to mind all the times Reeve's Superman did the same, and worse, in his films.
    Wait- what? Where was THIS?
    @chrisisall, what do you mean?

    Let's compare how Reeve Superman and Cavill Superman handle Zod and his soldiers:





    With Cavill Superman I see a hero forced to kill because he literally has no other choice: Zod was going to kill off all human life on the planet and make earth a new Krypton; basically, planet wide genocide for a massive coup. But Reeve Superman (and Lois) kills people that he knows are no threat to him, no more superhuman than Lex himself. What he does to a defenseless and powerless Zod should upset you if you get upset at seeing Superman kill a fully powered (and more powerful than he) Zod who wants to kill everything he loves and take control of the planet he must protect. The stakes necessitate Cavill Superman's action, but none of Reeve Superman's.

    This isn't even to say that killing doesn't have to be seen as bad right off, as people take that scene in MoS. Sometimes it's the only way, or a hero fails and death results. Nolan played with this in his Batman films, where Batman's failures lead to death or where he may be seen as implicated in deaths despite not killing directly himself. This isn't a charge against reeve Superman, as I don't really care, but when people make a big deal out of Cavill's Superman killing when you can see the pain and anguish the act gives him and compare it to Reeve Superman who just smirks after he kills someone (not unlike Keaton Batman at times, actually), you have to wonder why the former is the bad guy who isn't acting like Superman. Cavill acted like more of the Superman I know than Reeve's did even when Reeve's Superman had zero stakes and killed anyway. It just feels disingenuous to lay criticism at the feet of Cavill Superman when Reeve Superman could be seen as acting worse in that same fight against Zod and his henchpeople.

    I see the same sort of hypocrisy when people compare the battle damage of MoS while lauding the Marvel films. The battle in MoS was pretty nuts and went too far, sure, but have these people seen The Avengers (or any other Marvel film with a final battle) where New York is massively destroyed as well? MoS is the one that gets criticized, while Marvel seem forgotten. I just think that's hilariously dishonest.

    To be fair that's what Civil War was about with the Sakovia Accords; being kept in check and accountability. Even in the first Avengers film they touched on the damage and destruction and who was going to clean it up. Age of Ultron made a point in trying to minimise colattetal damage and trying to keep destruction isolated and spider-man homecoming had the vulture as being part of the clean up crew to handle the fallout of the events of the Avengers. I thinking fair to say Marvel have done a much better job with addressing battle damage and destruction. MoS was just straight up destruction porn. The hard-core kind.
    Or one could say that MoS is a realistic war movie, while Marvel´s films are euphemistic romantisations.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Kristen Wiig in talks for villain role in Wonder Woman 2:

    http://www.slashfilm.com/wonder-woman-2-villain/
  • Seven_Point_Six_FiveSeven_Point_Six_Five Southern California
    edited March 2018 Posts: 1,257
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Kristen Wiig in talks for villain role in Wonder Woman 2:

    http://www.slashfilm.com/wonder-woman-2-villain/
    Breaking news reveals Wiig is in talks to take on the role of Wonder Woman 2 villain Cheetah.

    I don’t know, I can’t picture her in that role.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited March 2018 Posts: 23,401
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Kristen Wiig in talks for villain role in Wonder Woman 2:

    http://www.slashfilm.com/wonder-woman-2-villain/
    Breaking news reveals Wiig is in talks to take on the role of Wonder Woman 2 villain Cheetah.

    I don’t know, I can’t picture her in that role.

    Agree

    DC is a mess
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    She was pretty twisted in mother! but she's always coming off as bubbly and nice still in anything I see her in.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I like Kristen Wiig, though Cheetah is this...

    latest?cb=20170426235304
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    At the end Zod is firing his heat vision, and taking a REALLY long time to hit the innocents.... Superman could have just pushed him down towards the the Earth's core, or yanked him backwards and then up into space... hello, HEADLOCK? I call BS on trying to be real without considering REALITY. Better to do it the old fashioned way, and take away his powers then throw him into a weird bed of arctic/Fortress mist to be collected by the conveniently available North Pole authorities.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited March 2018 Posts: 23,401
    chrisisall wrote: »

    At the end Zod is firing his heat vision, and taking a REALLY long time to hit the innocents.... Superman could have just pushed him down towards the the Earth's core, or yanked him backwards and then up into space... hello, HEADLOCK? I call BS on trying to be real without considering REALITY. Better to do it the old fashioned way, and take away his powers then throw him into a weird bed of arctic/Fortress mist to be collected by the conveniently available North Pole authorities.

    Zod gave a ultimatum that he would pretty much kill everyone, if Superman did not end it then more people would have died.
  • Seven_Point_Six_FiveSeven_Point_Six_Five Southern California
    edited March 2018 Posts: 1,257
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    She was pretty twisted in mother! but she's always coming off as bubbly and nice still in anything I see her in.

    I always imagine Cheetah just radiating strength and confidence. I don’t get that out of Wiig. I’ve only seen her play meek or goofy characters. I know she’s done more serious roles, but I just haven’t seen them.

    I remember Charlize Theron was rumored for a role in Wonder Women 2 sometime last year. She’d be a great Cheetah.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited March 2018 Posts: 17,691
    chrisisall wrote: »

    At the end Zod is firing his heat vision, and taking a REALLY long time to hit the innocents.... Superman could have just pushed him down towards the the Earth's core, or yanked him backwards and then up into space... hello, HEADLOCK? I call BS on trying to be real without considering REALITY. Better to do it the old fashioned way, and take away his powers then throw him into a weird bed of arctic/Fortress mist to be collected by the conveniently available North Pole authorities.

    Zod gave a ultimatum that he would pretty much kill everyone, if Superman did not end it then more people would have died.

    Nope. Maneuvered nonsense. THIS is why Snyder was let go. It works if you like it, but not when you really examine it. Superman had the strength to break Zod's neck, but not enough to knock him out... Okay. Lighter fare like Reeve's Superman gets a pass on hard reality, even though it gets it more right. He took the fight AWAY from Metropolis by fleeing north.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »

    At the end Zod is firing his heat vision, and taking a REALLY long time to hit the innocents.... Superman could have just pushed him down towards the the Earth's core, or yanked him backwards and then up into space... hello, HEADLOCK? I call BS on trying to be real without considering REALITY. Better to do it the old fashioned way, and take away his powers then throw him into a weird bed of arctic/Fortress mist to be collected by the conveniently available North Pole authorities.

    Zod gave a ultimatum that he would pretty much kill everyone, if Superman did not end it then more people would have died.

    Nope. Maneuvered nonsense. THIS is why Snyder was let go. It works if you like it, but not when you really examine it. Lighter fare like Reeve's Superman gets a pass on hard reality, even though it gets it more right. He took the fight AWAY from Metropolis by fleeing north.

    If Zod got away for mere seconds he would murder people, it's established his cause is lost and he is totally psychotic in the film.
  • Seven_Point_Six_FiveSeven_Point_Six_Five Southern California
    edited March 2018 Posts: 1,257
    Im reading that Emma Stone was initially offered the role of Cheetah.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Im reading that Emma Stone was initially offered the role of Cheetah.

    I saw the same story on YouTube, I think good casting would be a good physical match for Gal

    Watching the end of WW now Gal really is amazing
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »

    At the end Zod is firing his heat vision, and taking a REALLY long time to hit the innocents.... Superman could have just pushed him down towards the the Earth's core, or yanked him backwards and then up into space... hello, HEADLOCK? I call BS on trying to be real without considering REALITY. Better to do it the old fashioned way, and take away his powers then throw him into a weird bed of arctic/Fortress mist to be collected by the conveniently available North Pole authorities.

    Zod gave a ultimatum that he would pretty much kill everyone, if Superman did not end it then more people would have died.

    Nope. Maneuvered nonsense. THIS is why Snyder was let go. It works if you like it, but not when you really examine it. Lighter fare like Reeve's Superman gets a pass on hard reality, even though it gets it more right. He took the fight AWAY from Metropolis by fleeing north.

    If Zod got away for mere seconds he would murder people, it's established his cause is lost and he is totally psychotic in the film.
    It worked if the concept worked. It did not work for ME. It MADE Superman kill when other choices were available. It was forced and faux dramatic IMO. Nolan's Batman was too in a way, but it built upon realities of the moments.... however Nolan had the luxury of a HUMAN character that limited him and the story he could tell, whereas Superman is sort of limitless and you can do what you want with him.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »

    At the end Zod is firing his heat vision, and taking a REALLY long time to hit the innocents.... Superman could have just pushed him down towards the the Earth's core, or yanked him backwards and then up into space... hello, HEADLOCK? I call BS on trying to be real without considering REALITY. Better to do it the old fashioned way, and take away his powers then throw him into a weird bed of arctic/Fortress mist to be collected by the conveniently available North Pole authorities.

    Zod gave a ultimatum that he would pretty much kill everyone, if Superman did not end it then more people would have died.

    Nope. Maneuvered nonsense. THIS is why Snyder was let go. It works if you like it, but not when you really examine it. Lighter fare like Reeve's Superman gets a pass on hard reality, even though it gets it more right. He took the fight AWAY from Metropolis by fleeing north.

    If Zod got away for mere seconds he would murder people, it's established his cause is lost and he is totally psychotic in the film.
    It worked if the concept worked. It did not work for ME. It MADE Superman kill when other choices were available. It was forced and faux dramatic IMO. Nolan's Batman was too in a way, but it built upon realities of the moments.... however Nolan had the luxury of a HUMAN character that limited him and the story he could tell, whereas Superman is sort of limitless and you can do what you want with him.

    I see MOS as an Elseworld story and I think it's consistent in its own narrative, I love Reeve Superman and in time hopefully something will get close to that as it is definitive, though I am open minded to different interpretations of Superman whether it be live action or animated.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »

    At the end Zod is firing his heat vision, and taking a REALLY long time to hit the innocents.... Superman could have just pushed him down towards the the Earth's core, or yanked him backwards and then up into space... hello, HEADLOCK? I call BS on trying to be real without considering REALITY. Better to do it the old fashioned way, and take away his powers then throw him into a weird bed of arctic/Fortress mist to be collected by the conveniently available North Pole authorities.

    Zod gave a ultimatum that he would pretty much kill everyone, if Superman did not end it then more people would have died.

    Nope. Maneuvered nonsense. THIS is why Snyder was let go. It works if you like it, but not when you really examine it. Lighter fare like Reeve's Superman gets a pass on hard reality, even though it gets it more right. He took the fight AWAY from Metropolis by fleeing north.

    If Zod got away for mere seconds he would murder people, it's established his cause is lost and he is totally psychotic in the film.
    It worked if the concept worked. It did not work for ME. It MADE Superman kill when other choices were available. It was forced and faux dramatic IMO. Nolan's Batman was too in a way, but it built upon realities of the moments.... however Nolan had the luxury of a HUMAN character that limited him and the story he could tell, whereas Superman is sort of limitless and you can do what you want with him.

    I see MOS as an Elseworld story and I think it's consistent in its own narrative, I love Reeve Superman and in time hopefully something will get close to that as it is definitive, though I am open minded to different interpretations of Superman whether it be live action or animated.

    Elseworld? We can agree here then, my friend!
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »

    At the end Zod is firing his heat vision, and taking a REALLY long time to hit the innocents.... Superman could have just pushed him down towards the the Earth's core, or yanked him backwards and then up into space... hello, HEADLOCK? I call BS on trying to be real without considering REALITY. Better to do it the old fashioned way, and take away his powers then throw him into a weird bed of arctic/Fortress mist to be collected by the conveniently available North Pole authorities.

    Zod gave a ultimatum that he would pretty much kill everyone, if Superman did not end it then more people would have died.

    Nope. Maneuvered nonsense. THIS is why Snyder was let go. It works if you like it, but not when you really examine it. Lighter fare like Reeve's Superman gets a pass on hard reality, even though it gets it more right. He took the fight AWAY from Metropolis by fleeing north.

    If Zod got away for mere seconds he would murder people, it's established his cause is lost and he is totally psychotic in the film.
    It worked if the concept worked. It did not work for ME. It MADE Superman kill when other choices were available. It was forced and faux dramatic IMO. Nolan's Batman was too in a way, but it built upon realities of the moments.... however Nolan had the luxury of a HUMAN character that limited him and the story he could tell, whereas Superman is sort of limitless and you can do what you want with him.

    I see MOS as an Elseworld story and I think it's consistent in its own narrative, I love Reeve Superman and in time hopefully something will get close to that as it is definitive, though I am open minded to different interpretations of Superman whether it be live action or animated.

    Elseworld? We can agree here then, my friend!

    Totally it's far from an accurate depiction of Supes though I knew that from the start, nothing beats Chris Reeve :)
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Watching BvS the opening scene is epic, why does this get so much hate.
  • Seven_Point_Six_FiveSeven_Point_Six_Five Southern California
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    Watching BvS the opening scene is epic, why does this get so much hate.

    The opening title sequence and following Metropolis scene are fantastic. People hate the rest of the film.
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    Batman V Superman is a MASTERPIECE.

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    Batfleck in that movie was the Dark knight come to life. WTF happened to him in Justice League?? It kills me to say he was one of the weaker links in that movie
    (for the record, I loved Justice League too, but there are obvious problems)
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Batman V Superman is a MASTERPIECE.

    giphy.gif

    Batfleck in that movie was the Dark knight come to life. WTF happened to him in Justice League?? It kills me to say he was one of the weaker links in that movie
    (for the record, I loved Justice League too, but there are obvious problems)

    You are very wise, my grievances with JL are that they abandon what they started in MoS and BvS.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Fans I guess were upset that Superman killed, but they didn't seem to mind all the times Reeve's Superman did the same, and worse, in his films.
    Wait- what? Where was THIS?
    @chrisisall, what do you mean?

    Let's compare how Reeve Superman and Cavill Superman handle Zod and his soldiers:

    Reeve Superman (and Lois) kills people that he knows are no threat to him, no more superhuman than Lex himself.
    EXCUSE ME? Who precisely got KILLED in the end of Superman II? In this scene (cut from Theatrical but not from the TV version) Zod, Non & Ursa are alive & being put into an arctic police transport.




    Brady?
    Bueller?
    ;)

    Nice one, but alas deleted scenes are deleted for a reason. In the original cut and the Donner cut they are very much dead, though Supes brings them back in the Donner cut by turning back time for the second time in two films.
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