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  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 7,996
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    I don’t care for Japanese cars. Don’t get me wrong, they are strong well built cars, but I find them to be bland looking. They just don’t do it for me.

    As for Audi and BMW, I could pick out a handful of cars from them which I like, but the biggest problem about both, is what sits behind the wheel. Generally speaking. There may be a few considerate owners, but there is a reason they both have bad reputations. The bad drivers far outweigh the good ones.

    BMW drivers, imho, are far worse.

    I have my driving license since 2004 and did not get a speeding ticket yet. ;-) The only tickets I got were parking & "LEZ" ones. (one each lol).

    If the amount of speeding tickets is an indication of beeing a bad driver, I'm afraid to say I'm a horrific one. Although the amount has been greatly reduced thanks to the flitsmeister app.
    I'm not keen on audi's. The ones I drove felt like spaceships. No connection to the road whatsoever. They go fast for sure, but I do want to feel what it's doing. Bmw's I enjoyed far more, but not as much as alfa's, and they certainly don't look as good. Although not bad either, mind you, except for the latest iterations.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    edited September 2020 Posts: 3,497
    Btw: the Z won't come to Europe anymore because of the ridiculous "green deal".
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    edited September 2020 Posts: 2,357
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    I don’t care for Japanese cars. Don’t get me wrong, they are strong well built cars, but I find them to be bland looking. They just don’t do it for me.

    I had the same opinion until I got my mx5 ND. Heck, I still have the same opinion, bar for the mazdas.

    My favorite Japanse brand is Mazda... :-)

    We have owned two Hondas (1978 Accord & 1988 Civic), and they were good cars.
    If the local dealership hadn't been so dishonest about the new driving shaft for the Civic, maybe my dad would've still had a Honda...

    Most dealerships and mechanics are dishonest from my experience.
    Anyone disagree ?
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    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    I don’t care for Japanese cars. Don’t get me wrong, they are strong well built cars, but I find them to be bland looking. They just don’t do it for me.

    I had the same opinion until I got my mx5 ND. Heck, I still have the same opinion, bar for the mazdas.

    My favorite Japanse brand is Mazda... :-)

    We have owned two Hondas (1978 Accord & 1988 Civic), and they were good cars.
    If the local dealership hadn't been so dishonest about the new driving shaft for the Civic, maybe my dad would've still had a Honda...

    Most dealerships and mechanics are dishonest from my experience.
    Anyone disagree ?

    Well, frankly, when you use the word "most" it's hard to. As it would be if I said "most" people are no good to begin with ;)

    But yes, it's a hard dubious trade. That's why I always go to the brand dealership and mechanics, because the've got to follow a set of very strict rules defined and checked by the brand.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    edited September 2020 Posts: 2,357
    Univex wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    I don’t care for Japanese cars. Don’t get me wrong, they are strong well built cars, but I find them to be bland looking. They just don’t do it for me.

    I had the same opinion until I got my mx5 ND. Heck, I still have the same opinion, bar for the mazdas.

    My favorite Japanse brand is Mazda... :-)

    We have owned two Hondas (1978 Accord & 1988 Civic), and they were good cars.
    If the local dealership hadn't been so dishonest about the new driving shaft for the Civic, maybe my dad would've still had a Honda...

    Most dealerships and mechanics are dishonest from my experience.
    Anyone disagree ?

    Well, frankly, when you use the word "most" it's hard to. As it would be if I said "most" people are no good to begin with ;)

    But yes, it's a hard dubious trade. That's why I always go to the brand dealership and mechanics, because the've got to follow a set of very strict rules defined and checked by the brand.

    I was going to say ALL dealerships and mechanics are dishonest from my experience. :))

    I've always done the basic servicing on my cars myself. Oil, filters,belts,leads etc

    Only taken it to mechanics for the things i can't fix myself.

    And to tell you the truth i am had enough of these Petrol engined cars because they are smelly ,dirty dinosaurs compared to the electric powered cars produced now and the ones that are coming. :)>-
  • edited September 2020 Posts: 6,677
    Univex wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    I don’t care for Japanese cars. Don’t get me wrong, they are strong well built cars, but I find them to be bland looking. They just don’t do it for me.

    I had the same opinion until I got my mx5 ND. Heck, I still have the same opinion, bar for the mazdas.

    My favorite Japanse brand is Mazda... :-)

    We have owned two Hondas (1978 Accord & 1988 Civic), and they were good cars.
    If the local dealership hadn't been so dishonest about the new driving shaft for the Civic, maybe my dad would've still had a Honda...

    Most dealerships and mechanics are dishonest from my experience.
    Anyone disagree ?

    Well, frankly, when you use the word "most" it's hard to. As it would be if I said "most" people are no good to begin with ;)

    But yes, it's a hard dubious trade. That's why I always go to the brand dealership and mechanics, because the've got to follow a set of very strict rules defined and checked by the brand.

    I was going to say ALL dealerships and mechanics are dishonest from my experience. :))

    I've always done the basic servicing on my cars myself. Oil, filters,belts,leads etc

    Only taken it to mechanics for the things i can't fix myself.

    And to tell you the truth i am had enough of these Petrol engined cars because they are smelly ,dirty dinosaurs compared to the electric powered cars produced now and the ones that are coming. :)>-

    I guess I do still love smelly, dirty dinosaurs ;) eh eh
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,357
    Univex wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    I don’t care for Japanese cars. Don’t get me wrong, they are strong well built cars, but I find them to be bland looking. They just don’t do it for me.

    I had the same opinion until I got my mx5 ND. Heck, I still have the same opinion, bar for the mazdas.

    My favorite Japanse brand is Mazda... :-)

    We have owned two Hondas (1978 Accord & 1988 Civic), and they were good cars.
    If the local dealership hadn't been so dishonest about the new driving shaft for the Civic, maybe my dad would've still had a Honda...

    Most dealerships and mechanics are dishonest from my experience.
    Anyone disagree ?

    Well, frankly, when you use the word "most" it's hard to. As it would be if I said "most" people are no good to begin with ;)

    But yes, it's a hard dubious trade. That's why I always go to the brand dealership and mechanics, because the've got to follow a set of very strict rules defined and checked by the brand.

    I was going to say ALL dealerships and mechanics are dishonest from my experience. :))

    I've always done the basic servicing on my cars myself. Oil, filters,belts,leads etc

    Only taken it to mechanics for the things i can't fix myself.

    And to tell you the truth i am had enough of these Petrol engined cars because they are smelly ,dirty dinosaurs compared to the electric powered cars produced now and the ones that are coming. :)>-

    I guess I do still love smelly, dirty dinosaurs ;) eh eh

    Petrol engined cars are like CRT tv's where electric powered cars are like LED tv's. ;))
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 6,805
    Univex wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    I don’t care for Japanese cars. Don’t get me wrong, they are strong well built cars, but I find them to be bland looking. They just don’t do it for me.

    I had the same opinion until I got my mx5 ND. Heck, I still have the same opinion, bar for the mazdas.

    My favorite Japanse brand is Mazda... :-)

    We have owned two Hondas (1978 Accord & 1988 Civic), and they were good cars.
    If the local dealership hadn't been so dishonest about the new driving shaft for the Civic, maybe my dad would've still had a Honda...

    Most dealerships and mechanics are dishonest from my experience.
    Anyone disagree ?

    Well, frankly, when you use the word "most" it's hard to. As it would be if I said "most" people are no good to begin with ;)

    But yes, it's a hard dubious trade. That's why I always go to the brand dealership and mechanics, because the've got to follow a set of very strict rules defined and checked by the brand.

    I was going to say ALL dealerships and mechanics are dishonest from my experience. :))

    I've always done the basic servicing on my cars myself. Oil, filters,belts,leads etc

    Only taken it to mechanics for the things i can't fix myself.

    And to tell you the truth i am had enough of these Petrol engined cars because they are smelly ,dirty dinosaurs compared to the electric powered cars produced now and the ones that are coming. :)>-

    I guess I do still love smelly, dirty dinosaurs ;) eh eh
    Me too. I like roars they make ;)
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,357
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    I don’t care for Japanese cars. Don’t get me wrong, they are strong well built cars, but I find them to be bland looking. They just don’t do it for me.

    I had the same opinion until I got my mx5 ND. Heck, I still have the same opinion, bar for the mazdas.

    My favorite Japanse brand is Mazda... :-)

    We have owned two Hondas (1978 Accord & 1988 Civic), and they were good cars.
    If the local dealership hadn't been so dishonest about the new driving shaft for the Civic, maybe my dad would've still had a Honda...

    Most dealerships and mechanics are dishonest from my experience.
    Anyone disagree ?

    Well, frankly, when you use the word "most" it's hard to. As it would be if I said "most" people are no good to begin with ;)

    But yes, it's a hard dubious trade. That's why I always go to the brand dealership and mechanics, because the've got to follow a set of very strict rules defined and checked by the brand.

    I was going to say ALL dealerships and mechanics are dishonest from my experience. :))

    I've always done the basic servicing on my cars myself. Oil, filters,belts,leads etc

    Only taken it to mechanics for the things i can't fix myself.

    And to tell you the truth i am had enough of these Petrol engined cars because they are smelly ,dirty dinosaurs compared to the electric powered cars produced now and the ones that are coming. :)>-

    I guess I do still love smelly, dirty dinosaurs ;) eh eh
    Me too. I like roars they make ;)

    The vroom vroom noise is priceless...... ;))
    Electric cars make a replica engine noise too, through the speakers....
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    And there's something about the mechanical and combustion side of things that makes them a bit raw and primitive and fiery. If only we'd find a cleaner way of running them. Electricity is the future, until 006's EMP, that is.
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    Electric cars make a replica engine noise too, through the speakers....

    Yep, you can have the new Fiat 500 do the Tosca for all I care :D I'd rather have the vroom vroom ;)
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,357
    Univex wrote: »
    Electric cars make a replica engine noise too, through the speakers....

    Yep, you can have the new Fiat 500 do the Tosca for all I care :D I'd rather have the vroom vroom ;)

    Noise is overrated ..... :))
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2020 Posts: 15,085
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    I don’t care for Japanese cars. Don’t get me wrong, they are strong well built cars, but I find them to be bland looking. They just don’t do it for me.

    I had the same opinion until I got my mx5 ND. Heck, I still have the same opinion, bar for the mazdas.

    My favorite Japanse brand is Mazda... :-)

    We have owned two Hondas (1978 Accord & 1988 Civic), and they were good cars.
    If the local dealership hadn't been so dishonest about the new driving shaft for the Civic, maybe my dad would've still had a Honda...

    Most dealerships and mechanics are dishonest from my experience.
    Anyone disagree ?

    Funnily enough that sort of intersects with my Alfa ownership: I had had mine for at least a couple of years I think, had had some new tyres fitted at some point and had the tracking done as par for the course, then a while later I took it to my dad's Jaguar guy to get something else done (maybe a new tyre fitted, I can't remember) and asked him to track it again, and when I got it back he said by the look of the car it hadn't been tracked in many, many years. And when I drove it home it was like a different car: the handling was even more amazing; like a go kart! :)
    So he certainly had tracked it, and the guys I paid to do it previously most certainly hadn't.
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    I don’t care for Japanese cars. Don’t get me wrong, they are strong well built cars, but I find them to be bland looking. They just don’t do it for me.

    As for Audi and BMW, I could pick out a handful of cars from them which I like, but the biggest problem about both, is what sits behind the wheel. Generally speaking. There may be a few considerate owners, but there is a reason they both have bad reputations. The bad drivers far outweigh the good ones.

    BMW drivers, imho, are far worse.

    I have my driving license since 2004 and did not get a speeding ticket yet. ;-) The only tickets I got were parking & "LEZ" ones. (one each lol).

    If the amount of speeding tickets is an indication of beeing a bad driver, I'm afraid to say I'm a horrific one. Although the amount has been greatly reduced thanks to the flitsmeister app.
    I'm not keen on audi's. The ones I drove felt like spaceships. No connection to the road whatsoever. They go fast for sure, but I do want to feel what it's doing. Bmw's I enjoyed far more, but not as much as alfa's, and they certainly don't look as good. Although not bad either, mind you, except for the latest iterations.

    I agree with you on Audis, but not so much on BMWs. They can feel fantastic. Alfas do have great feel.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,357
    mtm wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    I don’t care for Japanese cars. Don’t get me wrong, they are strong well built cars, but I find them to be bland looking. They just don’t do it for me.

    I had the same opinion until I got my mx5 ND. Heck, I still have the same opinion, bar for the mazdas.

    My favorite Japanse brand is Mazda... :-)

    We have owned two Hondas (1978 Accord & 1988 Civic), and they were good cars.
    If the local dealership hadn't been so dishonest about the new driving shaft for the Civic, maybe my dad would've still had a Honda...

    Most dealerships and mechanics are dishonest from my experience.
    Anyone disagree ?

    Funnily enough that sort of intersects with my Alfa ownership: I had had mine for at least a couple of years I think, had had some new tyres fitted at some point and had the tracking done as par for the course, then a while later I took it to my dad's Jaguar guy to get something else done (maybe a new tyre fitted, I can't remember) and asked him to track it again, and when I got it back he said by the look of the car it hadn't been tracked in many, many years. And when I drove it home it was like a different car: the handling was even more amazing; like a go kart! :)
    So he certainly had tracked it, and the guys I paid to do it previously most certainly hadn't.
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    I don’t care for Japanese cars. Don’t get me wrong, they are strong well built cars, but I find them to be bland looking. They just don’t do it for me.

    As for Audi and BMW, I could pick out a handful of cars from them which I like, but the biggest problem about both, is what sits behind the wheel. Generally speaking. There may be a few considerate owners, but there is a reason they both have bad reputations. The bad drivers far outweigh the good ones.

    BMW drivers, imho, are far worse.

    I have my driving license since 2004 and did not get a speeding ticket yet. ;-) The only tickets I got were parking & "LEZ" ones. (one each lol).

    If the amount of speeding tickets is an indication of beeing a bad driver, I'm afraid to say I'm a horrific one. Although the amount has been greatly reduced thanks to the flitsmeister app.
    I'm not keen on audi's. The ones I drove felt like spaceships. No connection to the road whatsoever. They go fast for sure, but I do want to feel what it's doing. Bmw's I enjoyed far more, but not as much as alfa's, and they certainly don't look as good. Although not bad either, mind you, except for the latest iterations.

    I agree with you on Audis, but not so much on BMWs. They can feel fantastic. Alfas do have great feel.

    That's so funny :))
    They are a bunch of con men that's what they are...... :)>-
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,357
    Fully-electric Range Rover and Jaguar XJ models confirmed, to be unveiled in late 2020 – report
    https://www.caradvice.com.au/884560/fully-electric-range-rover-and-jaguar-xj-models-confirmed-to-be-unveiled-in-late-2020-report/
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 15,085
    I think an XJ makes perfect sense as an electric car. Range Rover feels a slightly more odd fit but I'm sure it'll sell.

    My local garage has two of these Zagato Vanquishes in stock at the moment and I popped by to have a look at them yesterday. I think unusually for Zagato editions they look better than the cars AM are producing from the factory.

    IMG_32885-medium.jpg
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    edited September 2020 Posts: 2,357
    2020 ASTON MARTIN DBS GT ZAGATO
    2020-aston-martin-dbs-gt--30_1600x0.webp
    https://www.topspeed.com/cars/aston-martin/2020-aston-martin-dbs-gt-zagato-ar186739.html
    Yeah the zagato's do look better.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2020 Posts: 15,085
    I don't think I've seen that one before. Yes, that's much nicer than the Superleggera, I think: it's actually got a bit of prettiness to it.

    Not sure about the lack of rear window though! :)
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,357
    Audi E-Tron GT concept
    e-tron-promo.jpg
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 15,085
    That's a bit of a beast, I like it.
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    Audi E-Tron GT concept
    e-tron-promo.jpg

    That's a very undecided grille. Audi's front grills have lost their charm as of late.
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    Saw this today in Paris :

    5c69ca72-f43e-11e6-80cd-9b4f6efc0801.jpg
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,357
    mtm wrote: »
    That's a bit of a beast, I like it.

    Yeah it does look like a beast of a car.
    One of the better looking EV's so far.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 7,996
    Univex wrote: »
    Audi E-Tron GT concept
    e-tron-promo.jpg

    That's a very undecided grille. Audi's front grills have lost their charm as of late.

    Considering the fact that on electronic cars the Grille is nothing but a design feature, I don't mind. I think it looks awesome. Has a high 1980ies rally thing going.

    But that name: E-tron. Is it a Transformer?
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,357
    Univex wrote: »
    Audi E-Tron GT concept
    e-tron-promo.jpg

    That's a very undecided grille. Audi's front grills have lost their charm as of late.

    Considering the fact that on electronic cars the Grille is nothing but a design feature, I don't mind. I think it looks awesome. Has a high 1980ies rally thing going.

    But that name: E-tron. Is it a Transformer?

    Maybe the brakes, electric engine and battery get some air cooling from the grille ?
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    Well, considering the license plate will sit where "e-tron" is, I say the grill isn't that bad. I'd rather have the grill than none at all.
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    If only you knew what "étron" means in french... :)
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,357
    Gerard wrote: »
    If only you knew what "étron" means in french... :)

    turd right ? :))
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou. I can still hear my old hound dog barkin'.
    Posts: 8,722
    You mean it's sort of Chevrolet No vá and Mitsubishi Pajero 2.0?
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
    Posts: 4,314
    Gerard wrote: »
    If only you knew what "étron" means in french... :)

    turd right ? :))

    How did that happen? Don't they have someone in the Audi name-checking department that name-checks these things? Reminds me of the Mitsubishi Pajero (not a nice word in Spanish) or the Mitsubishi i-Miev ("Mief" is foul stink in German).
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