Duplicate accounts

DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
edited February 2018 in MI6 Headlines & Feedback Posts: 19,952
Dear all,

Every member of this forum has, when setting up his or her account, agreed to accept and behave by our forum rules. Included in those is the simple "one account" rule.
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Why only one account?
Logic dictates that anyone who is here to discuss Bond (and other topics) requires exactly one account to make that happen. It is the equivalent of bringing one voice and mind to a face-to-face conversation. Furthermore, the social parameters of an Internet forum are such that quality interactions can only be sustained if its members are believed to be sincere and 'real', which in and by itself is already something of a challenge considering the nature of the Internet. The very moment two accounts are exposed as belonging to one and the same person, said person will inevitably be branded "persona non grata" and practically demanded to leave. In order to avoid such unpleasant situations, the forum rules have to forbid duplicate accounts.

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Why would anyone want a duplicate account?
Multiple reasons exist. There's the simple fact of boosting one's post count for starters. By having a conversation with oneself, hundreds of posts can easily be added to the total post count on a nearly daily basis. This practice, however, can be exhausting; the quality of posts declines rapidly and others will spot a pattern almost immediately. Also, post counts mean nothing on this forum. "Street credit"--or rather "Bond credit"--is earned by the quality of one's contributions and not so much by their quantity. Climbing up the social ladder of this system is most certainly not a matter of reaching 10 000 posts fast. In fact, if climbing up the social ladder is what you want, Facebook and Twitter provide you with many delusions of the kind. The MI6COMMUNITY is something else entirely.

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Another reason is seeking glamorous approval of the contents of one's posts. We sometimes write witty or personal or lengthy "essays"; we post self-made art of any kind; and nothing breaks the heart more than to find your post ignored and eventually forgotten--unless one understands, once again, that's how an Internet forum works. If you cannot handle this characteristic, duplicate accounts which will tell you how awesome you are, won't make a difference and are likely not to make you feel any better either.

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Evidently, a third reason involves forum trolling, but those idiots can be ignored right away and matter little to us. We ban them when we spot them.

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A fourth (and by no means last) reason, is perhaps the subtlest and most difficult one. It is expounded in the next paragraph.

The dangers of a duplicate account for the member him- or herself
There exists a form of social schizophrenia, often emerging from the desire to be accepted and beloved by all.
Even when you are just simply you, slip-ups are almost unavoidable, especially when one seeks the spotlights often and with loud drama. Not everyone will like you, some will hold something you said or did against you. So you apologise, or ignore the critics and move on. Or you leave for a while, refuel yourself and return with modesty. In our experience, however, some seek refuge to a duplicate account. The intention is to get a clean start, to learn from one's mistakes and avoid them when in a new digital skin. It's the proverbial fresh start real life never grants us, unless when we engineer a new identity in real life too, which is usually considered a criminal act.
The problem with a second account is that one has to try not be exposed and so one does whatever one can to be a different person. We're all smart enough to realise that couldn't possibly be beneficial to one's mental health or emotional stability, which are probably rather weak anyway given that the necessity for a duplicate account was ever contemplated in the first place. If you want to be beloved by not being you, some screws are clearly loose.

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In any event, no matter how hard one tries to either technically or socially disguise one's true identity, others will swiftly start to notice things and suspect foul play. You see, people always use certain words and certain expressions; they have the same sense of humour and the same interests in life. Even in their duplicate account, they will not suddenly visit threads they weren't drawn to before; if you don't like discussing American Football, your "other" self won't either.
Lastly, the very things that get your blood boiling, the very things that drive you to code red, will not suddenly leave you cold just because you have changed your nickname.
And that's when the ugly side of things starts to show itself. Gossipy and conspiratory PM's fill the aether behind one's back, mods are involved, and little hints are carefully but accusingly dropped in the public zone. Because members do know. They feel it. Whatever you do, they get the gist of it. And your credit is completely wasted. This, in turn, may inspire new public conflicts, which, ironically, the duplicate account was supposed to avoid.
It is difficult, nearly impossible even, to invent another persona altogether. And yet that's what you've set yourself up for. It will, inevitably, backfire. Sooner or later, it will.

So what do we do?
Members who suspect duplicate accounts, can always PM a mod. Perhaps it's best not to publicly target someone (or "sometwo"), although a bit of social probing is unavoidable and may indeed be helpful. ;-) We will do what we can to unmask the culprit if there really is one, confront him or her with the facts and allegations, and discuss in private how to best proceed.
There's a very good chance the mod team will, after banning both accounts, leave a public statement, as we feel it is important and in fact a sign of respect towards our members that they be clued in eventually, if only to clarify things that may have kept many among them occupied for some time. Furthermore, several members most likely have stood by the duplicate account's "sincerity" until the end, which is admirable. They, more than any others, may now feel embarrassed and used. In order not to make them lose their confidence in the good that still reigns supreme in others, we will make it our business to point out that it was nobody's fault but the perpetrator's.
Exposing a duplicate account is often a "joint venture", something the mod team does with the assistance of many helpful and vigilant members. Our gratitude and appreciation goes out to all those who keep a watchful eye and focus on the little things and who allow the mod team some time to verify the truth. Thank you!

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So why do we post this now?
This forum has dealt with duplicate accounts before, and every case was different. From trolls to "please, love me!" types to "I want to post and post and post ... and get the highest post count of them all" wannabes, we've seen it all. But we've never spoken too much about it yet, so right here and now, we felt necessitated by circumstances to do so for perhaps the very first time. The circumstances to which we're referring include a few recent cases, brought up not by one or two but by a good dozen of our veteran members, some of which have not yet been solved. The point of this thread is to explain a few hows and whys, and also to encourage people to help keep the forum clean from sad intrusions by duplicate accounts.

As always, if you wish to weigh in or add to this post, please do so. This thread is public and open for all. Everyone's input is greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

The mod team
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Comments

  • Nothing to add, just that reading this has got me weirdly nostalgic for the days when @TouchMyButtons would pop up with a new account every couple of months or so. He was a dick but it was funny when his endless trolling comebacks led to people looking him up and finding his Glee audition videos.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 19,952
    TouchMyButtons! :D Yes, those were the days.
  • edited February 2018 Posts: 12,488
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    TouchMyButtons! :D Yes, those were the days.

    They just don't make them like that anymore, trolls today are so boring ;) It was great how every time he'd pop up with a new account we could build up more and more of a picture of why he was so mental, like a jigsaw slowly falling into place. One example, I think it was fairly obvious after someone found his youtube channel that all his homophobia was because he was trapped in the closet himself.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    To build up your post count numbers. Simply go on the comments while you watch thread and post away to your hearts content. The numbers will soon build up
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
    Posts: 3,604
    I certainly am glad that I arrived after the days of @TouchMyButtons. I've heard horrors about him.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 35,149
    Trust @TouchMyButtons, he just knows. Wave Link, coming 2019!
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
    Posts: 1,819
    What I don't get is why you won't make this filtering for duplicate accounts more transparent than it is. Why does it have to be so secretive? Why not just say who's who?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Not being a social media user (I avoid it like the plague) I'm somewhat surprised and intrigued by this apparent need to increase post count. What relevance does that have? Surely it's the quality of a particular post that should be the factor and not duration of membership or number of posts? That's how I look at it anyway.

    Sometimes this whole social mediaverse thing confounds me.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    Posts: 15,534
    I do not have a duplicate account but I can confirm I am really a midget bearded version of Roger Moore as seen in my avatar.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    I'm just glad they're not checking on
    Triple accounts ! :-D
  • edited February 2018 Posts: 12,488
    bondjames wrote: »
    Not being a social media user (I avoid it like the plague) I'm somewhat surprised and intrigued by this apparent need to increase post count. What relevance does that have? Surely it's the quality of a particular post that should be the factor and not duration of membership or number of posts? That's how I look at it anyway.

    Sometimes this whole social mediaverse thing confounds me.

    I've slowly warmed up to social media over the last few years but I don't get the post count thing either to be honest. And social media makes more sense to me, because with likes on twitter and facebook you get this pointless little glimmer of approval from each one. I can see why narcissists or insecure people obsess over how many likes their photos/posts on social media get. But a post count on here? What does that mean really? Just that you've written a lot. Who cares.
    What I don't get is why you won't make this filtering for duplicate accounts more transparent than it is. Why does it have to be so secretive? Why not just say who's who?

    To be honest I think most of us know who this is on about anyway (unless I've been reading too much into certain posts that seemed like subtle hints/callouts). But I think the secrecy is down to the social side @Dimi mentioned. It could be difficult for a member with multiple accounts to carry on once they've been outed, and when you think about the possible reasons for them doing it in the first place (the desire to be accepted or a fresh start), slating them for it publicly it might be the last thing that person needs and could drive them away completely, which it shouldn't have to come to imo.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Me lleva el chanfle
    Posts: 4,663
    bondjames wrote: »
    Not being a social media user (I avoid it like the plague) I'm somewhat surprised and intrigued by this apparent need to increase post count. What relevance does that have? Surely it's the quality of a particular post that should be the factor and not duration of membership or number of posts? That's how I look at it anyway.

    Sometimes this whole social mediaverse thing confounds me.
    I presume those who aim for large post counts hope to create an illusion of superiority and popularity over the newest members with less posts. Like with all the other motivations listed in the original post, it's an incredibly misguided and shortsighted "plan."
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 I've missed you all.
    Posts: 28,379
    Oh, crap...

    I guess I now have no choice with the heat turned up, but I must confess that for all these years I've secretly been all the mods. And I seriously mean ALL of them, which was quite difficult as one could imagine since I've basically single-handedly run this damn forum day and night (you're welcome). If my crimes prove too severe in the court of forum opinion, I am in the perfect position to ban myself upon request.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
    Posts: 3,604
    Oh, crap...

    I guess I now have no choice with the heat turned up, but I must confess that for all these years I've secretly been all the mods. And I seriously mean ALL of them, which was quite difficult as one could imagine since I've basically single-handedly run this damn forum day and night (you're welcome). If my crimes prove too severe in the court of forum opinion, I am in the perfect position to ban myself upon request.

    HA! I knew it!
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
    Posts: 16,086
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I am @Murdock , Murdock is me, and we are both @TheWizardOfIce . But I assure you that we are all still individuals.

    Regardless, this thread was not created in vein. People get invested in each others' lives and sagas. Duplicity is no ones' friend.

    I've been hitting the doobies again. :))
  • mattjoesmattjoes Me lleva el chanfle
    Posts: 4,663
    Oh, crap...

    I guess I now have no choice with the heat turned up, but I must confess that for all these years I've secretly been all the mods. And I seriously mean ALL of them, which was quite difficult as one could imagine since I've basically single-handedly run this damn forum day and night (you're welcome). If my crimes prove too severe in the court of forum opinion, I am in the perfect position to ban myself upon request.
    Even @Thunderfinger when he became mod for a day and deleted all the posts made that day?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Costa Mucho
    Posts: 41,940
    No, that was us.
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
    edited February 2018 Posts: 1,819
    What I don't get is why you won't make this filtering for duplicate accounts more transparent than it is. Why does it have to be so secretive? Why not just say who's who?

    To be honest I think most of us know who this is on about anyway (unless I've been reading too much into certain posts that seemed like subtle hints/callouts). But I think the secrecy is down to the social side @Dimi mentioned. It could be difficult for a member with multiple accounts to carry on once they've been outed, and when you think about the possible reasons for them doing it in the first place (the desire to be accepted or a fresh start), slating them for it publicly it might be the last thing that person needs and could drive them away completely, which it shouldn't have to come to imo.

    Enlighten me, @thelivingroyale.

    I have no real idea, but like yourself, I've read some hints that make me wonder about these sort of things..... And it all leads to a general distrust for every member. The mods should just call them out and then oust them. Simple.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 I've missed you all.
    Posts: 28,379
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Oh, crap...

    I guess I now have no choice with the heat turned up, but I must confess that for all these years I've secretly been all the mods. And I seriously mean ALL of them, which was quite difficult as one could imagine since I've basically single-handedly run this damn forum day and night (you're welcome). If my crimes prove too severe in the court of forum opinion, I am in the perfect position to ban myself upon request.
    Even @Thunderfinger when he became mod for a day and deleted all the posts made that day?
    @mattjoes, heavens no. Jumping between a dozen accounts pretending to be a bunch of different mods is child's play in comparison to trying to be @Thunderfinger, so I wouldn't even make an attempt.

    Also, a correction: I don't think it's factual to say that Thundy was a mod for a day, as it wasn't officially issued to him. He hacked into the account of an administrator on the forum and gave himself a modship. It only took the admin a day to discover what was up and Thundy was quickly brought back to standard status, but not before he took out his anger at being ousted by deleting all the posts made on the forum that day. Don't listen to his stories, he's a patent liar.
  • edited February 2018 Posts: 12,488
    What I don't get is why you won't make this filtering for duplicate accounts more transparent than it is. Why does it have to be so secretive? Why not just say who's who?

    To be honest I think most of us know who this is on about anyway (unless I've been reading too much into certain posts that seemed like subtle hints/callouts). But I think the secrecy is down to the social side @Dimi mentioned. It could be difficult for a member with multiple accounts to carry on once they've been outed, and when you think about the possible reasons for them doing it in the first place (the desire to be accepted or a fresh start), slating them for it publicly it might be the last thing that person needs and could drive them away completely, which it shouldn't have to come to imo.

    Enlighten me, @thelivingroyale.

    I have no real idea, but like yourself, I've read some hints that make me wonder about these sort of things..... And it all leads to a general distrust for every member. The mods should just call them out and then oust them. Simple.

    I think I know who it is but even if I'm right, which I might not be, I don't think it's our place to be honest. The mods know about the situation and seem to have decided that it's better for everyone if a fuss isn't made, so I think we're best just trusting them on it and leaving it at that. It'll be sorted.

    I don't think one person is a reason to distrust every member either. It's very rare this happens because like @Dimi said at the beginning of this threat, it's pretty much impossible to do it and avoid being caught out. And I imagine that post and the knowledge that something must have happened to prompt it will put off other people from doing the same thing.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 I've missed you all.
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    Duplicate accounts are always found out in the end around here, as history shows. Yes, IPs can be masked or manipulated to avoid suspicion outright, but over time the duplicate will be just another shadow of the original account's personality or posting style. Like @Christartos, for example, who would always try to come back under a new name but would inevitably post a horrid Microsoft Paint poster from each new account, instantly telling us who he was.

    The person behind the disguise always pokes through in the end. It's unavoidable, so best to never try it.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Me lleva el chanfle
    Posts: 4,663
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Oh, crap...

    I guess I now have no choice with the heat turned up, but I must confess that for all these years I've secretly been all the mods. And I seriously mean ALL of them, which was quite difficult as one could imagine since I've basically single-handedly run this damn forum day and night (you're welcome). If my crimes prove too severe in the court of forum opinion, I am in the perfect position to ban myself upon request.
    Even @Thunderfinger when he became mod for a day and deleted all the posts made that day?
    @mattjoes, heavens no. Jumping between a dozen accounts pretending to be a bunch of different mods is child's play in comparison to trying to be @Thunderfinger, so I wouldn't even make an attempt.

    Also, a correction: I don't think it's factual to say that Thundy was a mod for a day, as it wasn't officially issued to him. He hacked into the account of an administrator on the forum and gave himself a modship. It only took the admin a day to discover what was up and Thundy was quickly brought back to standard status, but not before he took out his anger at being ousted by deleting all the posts made on the forum that day. Don't listen to his stories, he's a patent liar.
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Seems Russian interference goes beyond the US elections...
  • I confess, I am fire and ice.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 I've missed you all.
    edited February 2018 Posts: 28,379
    mattjoes wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Oh, crap...

    I guess I now have no choice with the heat turned up, but I must confess that for all these years I've secretly been all the mods. And I seriously mean ALL of them, which was quite difficult as one could imagine since I've basically single-handedly run this damn forum day and night (you're welcome). If my crimes prove too severe in the court of forum opinion, I am in the perfect position to ban myself upon request.
    Even @Thunderfinger when he became mod for a day and deleted all the posts made that day?
    @mattjoes, heavens no. Jumping between a dozen accounts pretending to be a bunch of different mods is child's play in comparison to trying to be @Thunderfinger, so I wouldn't even make an attempt.

    Also, a correction: I don't think it's factual to say that Thundy was a mod for a day, as it wasn't officially issued to him. He hacked into the account of an administrator on the forum and gave himself a modship. It only took the admin a day to discover what was up and Thundy was quickly brought back to standard status, but not before he took out his anger at being ousted by deleting all the posts made on the forum that day. Don't listen to his stories, he's a patent liar.
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Seems Russian interference goes beyond the US elections...
    Thundy/Putin was a failure at hacking MI6, but I'm sure he'll do much better during the Midterms later this year. Our country is thick enough to let him do it, too, distracted by what fresh batch of nonsense Trump has whipped up (if he's still in office at that date).
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    Interested to know which ppl would go to these lengths... saying that, I’d very much like to spiritually co-join with the @Birdleson, @Murdock, @Wizard troika... It sounds... trippy.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    I remember once being accused of also being @Murdock . I'm guessing it must be
    Because we're both astonishingly handsome. :-D
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    I remember once being accused of also being @Murdock . I'm guessing it must be
    Because we're both astonishingly handsome. :-D

    You can say that again. ;)
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    Thunderpussy looks like Mark Strong there... (who would've made a pretty good, physical, and intimidating Blofeld....)

    Murdock looks shell-shocked in that mug-shot....
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I'm surprised almost no reply post has addressed the actual issue.
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    That's because none of the above have duplicates OR DO THEY ?.
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