Dr. No versus the field: GoldenEye

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  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
    Posts: 273
    Title Track: DN (As truly great as McCartney's track is, you can't top Bond theme)
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: LALD
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: LALD
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 13
    LALD - 4

  • Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: LALD
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: LALD
    Settings: DN
    Action: LALD
    Humour: LALD
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 9
    LALD: 8

  • Posts: 1,031
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: LALD
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: LALD
    Settings: DN
    Action: LALD
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 10
    LALD: 7
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    Posts: 1,984
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: LALD
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: LALD
    Settings: LALD
    Action: LALD
    Humour: LALD
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 8
    LALD - 9
  • suavejmfsuavejmf England
    Posts: 3,551
    Title Track: DN (Bond theme)
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: LALD
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: LALD
    Settings: DN
    Action: LALD
    Humour: LALD
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 11
    LALD: 6
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 1,662
    Title Track: DN (LALD is a great theme but nothing beats the ORIGINAL Bond theme)
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN (Jane Seymour is lovely but her character is wetter than a fishes wet bits)
    Henchman: LALD
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: LALD
    Settings: DN
    Action: LALD
    Humour: LALD (only in the fact that the films were becoming 'comedic')
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 12
    LALD - 5
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    edited September 2017 Posts: 1,655
    Title Track: LALD

    Title Credits: LALD (love the voodoo, skulls, flames mixed with the title track.)

    Main Villain: DN (kanaga/mr big is up there for bond villains but I love DN as a presence and his introduction and dinner scene is a highlight of early Connery.)

    Main Bond Girl: DN

    Henchman: LALD (Tee hee, baron samedi and whisper are all great fun.)

    Overall Plot: DN

    Dialogue: DN

    Score: LALD (one of my favourite non-Barry scores)

    Settings: DN

    Action: LALD

    Humour: LALD (mainly for the line 'names is for tombstones baby' and Moore talking about the genesis of the hat on the bed)

    Cinematography: DN

    Benign Bizarre: LALD

    Suspense: DN

    Minor Characters: DN (if I'm not counting the henchmen - samedi, whisper and tee hee- then I'm only left with Felix, quarrel jr and strutter, and I prefer original quarrel, original felix, miss taro and sisters rose and Lilly. Also LALD gets minus points for JW Pepper)

    Glamour: DN

    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 10
    LALD: 7


    Both in my top ten so pretty good showing for LALD.
  • MansfieldMansfield Where the hell have you been?
    Posts: 1,235
    Margin out of 100: (DN-LALD)

    Title Track: Live and Let Die (25-75)
    One of the classics that still plays on the radio to this day.

    Title Credits: Live and Let Die (40-60)
    Appropriately themed between the plot of the film and the sound of the music.

    Main Villain: Dr. No (75-25)
    A revolutionary villain, but also ill-conceived at times.

    Main Bond Girl: Dr. No (55-45)
    Two of the best and nearly on equal footing.

    Henchman: Live and Let Die (15-85)
    Collectively they are very entertaining and give Bond a run for his money.

    Overall Plot: Dr. No (85-15)
    LALD lacks the clean delivery and grounding exhibited in DN.

    Dialogue: Dr. No (75-25)
    The difference largely comes from the confrontations with the enemy.

    Score: Live and Let Die (40-60)
    Two of the weaker soundtracks imo, with the cues in LALD being tied together a little better to the title track.

    Settings: Dr. No (80-20)
    It was better the first time.

    Action: Dr. No (60-40)
    The boat chase is a major highlight, but LALD has some action sequences that count against it.

    Humor: Live and Let Die (40-60)
    Moore brings an air of lightness to the role with the aid of supporting cast.

    Cinematography: Dr. No (60-40)
    Benign Bizarre: Live and Let Die (25-75)
    "Secret agent! On who's side?"

    Suspense: Dr. No (65-35)
    Minor Characters: Dr. No (60-40)
    When comparing the casts, it becomes more apparent how LALD rehashed many of DN's elements; blustered by J.W..

    Glamor: Dr. No (65-35)
    Bond Performance: Dr. No (65-35)
    Moore's first outing is a success, though falling short of one of Connery's classic portrayals.


    Dr. No (11) (55-45) (6) Live and Let Die

  • suavejmfsuavejmf England
    Posts: 3,551
    Are we moving on please???
  • We'll give it a couple more days for final entries, then on with the show.
  • I suppose it is time to move on. After a quality round, Dr. No emerges victorious for the second time in a row, by a margin of 198-176, winning the total games by a much more lopsided 16-7. Curiously, there wasn't a single draw in this round, in the categories or in the overall result. DN looks to make it three in a row as it takes on Moore's sophomore effort, The Man with the Golden Gun!

    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: TMWTGG
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN (I really can't stand Nick Nack)
    Overall Plot: DN (TMWTGG could have taken it, but they really missed up with the energy crisis nonsense)
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TMWTGG (I suppose you have to reward the car flip somewhere)
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN (take that, JW Pepper)
    Glamour: DN (can't top that opening)
    Bond Performance: DN (the OG versus a pale imitation, not difficult)

    Dr. No picks up another solid win, by a margin of 12-5. Let's see if it keeps up the winning ways on your scorecards.
  • Posts: 363
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: TMWTGG
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: DN
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 12
    TMWTGG - 5
  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited October 2017 Posts: 2,853
    Title Track: TMWTGG (sue me-- I love the grande with cheese of this song)
    Title Credits: TMWTGG
    Main Villain: Tie (Lee was terrific)
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TMWGG
    Overall Plot: Tie
    Dialogue: Tie
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: Tie
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    What the hell?? I do like DN far more as a film, but upon breaking things up a little, I have far more respect for TMWTGG than I had originally believed possible (although I realize I have been warming to it for the first time in my life).

    DN: 6
    TMWTGG: 7
    Tie: 4

    I actually have gone though my choices three times now... Very shocked with this result. I apologize to any and all whom I've offended, lol...!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger The 0,07 %
    Posts: 27,215
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl:TMWTGG
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: DN
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 12
    TMWTGG - 5

  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited October 2017 Posts: 9,117
    Title Track: DN - I like the opening riff of TWMTGG and the instrumental versions are nice but it's up against the Bond theme for Christ's sake.

    Title Credits: DN - After LALD's fabulous voodoo motif we're entering the latter of the Binder era where he seemed to phone it in most of the time.

    Main Villain: TMWTGG - Exceptionally close but going to give it to Lee by a hairs breath simply because TMWTGG unlikely to win many more here.

    Main Bond Girl: DN - Both great to look at in a bikini but the one that doesn't go blundering into things with her arse wins it.

    Henchman: DN - Dent is out of his depth against Bond but is suitably sleazy and exudes a bit of menace. Nick Nack is a joke from start to finish (if he'd killed a few people he could've been very scary but the comedy tone of the film killed any chance he had).

    Overall Plot: DN - Simple and largely from Fleming rather than a load of tagged on rubbish about a Macguffin no one cares about in the slightest.

    Dialogue: DN - Simply far better and classier in every respect (dinner scene with Scaramanga the one glarimg exception).

    Score: TMWTGG - I'll give it the nod because Barry's lush strings beat anything by Monty.

    Settings: DN - Classic locations in both but DN feels a bit more like really being there.

    Action: TMWTGG - Despite the slide whistle an easy win here.

    Humour: DN - Kung fu schoolgirls? Sumo wedgie? Elephants pushing rednecks into canals? Relentless Carry On nipple gags? I'll take 'Sergeant make sure he doesn't get away' all day long thanks.

    Cinematography: DN - Looks staggering in Bluray.

    Benign Bizarre: Tie - Tarantulas, metal hands and three blind mice v dwarves, fun house and extra nipples.

    Suspense: DN - Easy win as apart from the duel TMWTGG has none.

    Minor Characters: DN - Everyone apart from Bond and Scaramaga are complete imbeciles in TMWTGG.

    Glamour: DN - Despite the exotic locations TMWTGG just looks a bit naff. In DN Bond goes from gambling in Mayfair, to being briefed at MI6, to a Pan Am (via a cheeky no strings shag) flight to Jamaica in the space of about 10 minutes.Who doesn't want that life?

    Bond Performance: DN - Not even close. Roy does his best with poor material but Sean in DN is pretty close to perfect.

    DN - 13
    TMWTGG - 3
    Tie - 1

    Surprised TMWTGG got that many to be honest.

  • Posts: 3,023
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 12
    TMWTGG - 5
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CA
    Posts: 22,645
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 11
    TMWTGG - 6
  • GBFGBF
    Posts: 2,775
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: TMWTGG
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: DN (don't like both)
    Henchman: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: DN
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TMWTGG
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 9
    TMWTGG - 8
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Station B, Belgium
    Posts: 2,907
    Title Track: TMWTGG
    Title Credits: TMWTGG
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG
    Henchman: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: TMWTGG
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: TMWTGG
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: TMWTGG
    Bond Performance: TMWTGG

    DN - 4
    TMWTGG - 13

    DN is solid but GG is one of my favourites.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    Posts: 1,655
    Title Track: DN (although MWTGG has grown on me over time. Musically I love it. Lyrically it's not flash. So bond theme beats it)

    Title Credits: DN (I actually love the DN opening titles. I find the MWTGG titles among Binder's least inspiring - especially seeing as from TB to TSWLM this is really the only dud one - he gets a little ropey from MR onwards)

    Main Villain: TMWTGG (This is almost a tie - but having rewatched this recently - Lee is outstanding in this film and his performance has moments of really subtlety. Especially in the third act meeting on the island and dinner.)

    Main Bond Girl: DN (honey beats goodnight - The weak character of goodnight combined with ekland's limited abilities makes her among my least favourite Bond girls. Just dead weight.)

    Henchman: DN (I actually find Nick Nack over rated as a henchman. He is fun but not threatening at all which I think could easily have been rectified with the simplest of touches. I think the opposite is the issue for The Three Blind Mice who get a literal killer opening double whammy of cold blooded brutality but not much more screen time. Add to this Dent's scene with picking up the spider from DN's Island and his death scene are two classics in the Bond canon.)

    Overall Plot: DN (TMWTGG is solid to begin with but falls away very quickly. All of Goodnight's involvement in the plot drag the film down and the narrative doesn't seem to know where to go from Andrea Anders death onwards.)

    Dialogue: DN (TMWTGG has some good one liners from Moore and excellent dialogue in the scene with Lazar and the dinner scene with Scaramanga but I prefer the taut and menacing dialogue of DN. Mancewicz often does one liners well but his exposition in all his scripts is clumsy. TMWTGG also loses points for somehow achieving the impossible and giving Pepper even worse dialogue than in LALD. It really is cringeworthy.)

    Score: DN (TMWTGG is my least favourite Barry score. But that means it's as good as anyone else's Bond score so this is close but I really do love the Jamaican tunes in DN.)

    Settings: DN (I like the Far East but DN's Jamaica is presented so beautifully. But I love the sideways ship in TMWTGG!)

    Action: TMWTGG (I think both of these are quite light on good action. But for the barrel roll alone TMWTGG wins this.)

    Humour: DN (there are some good one liners in TMWTGG. But there is so much poor ham fisted humour. People accuse MR of being ridiculous but there are large swathes of silliness in this film too. It's a tightrope - sometimes it's so weirdly crazy like Wint and Kidd in DAF that it works and other times like most of TMWTGG's humour it just lands like a lead balloon.)

    Cinematography: DN (DN's cinematography transports me. TMWTGG has some great sequences too - especially Bond flying into the islands. That is beautiful.)

    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG (funhouse, third nipples, ms Anders coldly dead in the middle of a fight, golden guns, Dutch tilts in the shipwreck - it's all weird fun)

    Suspense: DN (TMWTGG has a few suspenseful scenes but I find it one the most laborious of the series when it comes to suspense spread across the narrative.)

    Minor Characters: DN (Quarrel and Felix win this one. TMWTGG's are relatively forgettable except for Andrea Anders. I wish they had given her more to do. Her story was the strongest motivating factor in the narrative.)

    Glamour: DN (TMWTGG looks sweaty and cheap 70s. I'm not a fan of anything Moore wears - although he looks ok in the finale. However DN is super cool. The casino scene alone looks more glamourous than anything else in TMWTGG.)

    Bond Performance: DN (Connery's performance is trendsetting, but I like elements of Moore in TMWTGG. I think this is a film where he really fluctuates in his performance. Obviously he has the harder edged stuff. But he also gets very irritated with Q which is slightly unlike Bond - particularly compared to Moore's usual interpretation.)

    DN: 14
    TMWTGG: 3


    DN is top ten, TMWTGG bottom five for me - so I'd say this is about right. While Lee is uniformly excellent - TMWTGG's enjoyable elements are disparately placed moments that aren't sustained. The Lazar scene is quality, Anders first meeting Bond and specifically Moore's performance in this scene is pure Fleming but his performance fluctuates too much for me. And the weight of the terrible humour and Goodnight drag this film down. It is one of the films where I can see the sets and feel the budget constraints.
  • Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: Gun
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman:Gun
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue:Gun
    Score: Gun
    Settings: Gun
    Action: Gun
    Humour: Gun
    Cinematography: Gun
    Benign Bizarre: Gun
    Suspense: Gun
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 7
    Gun - 10
  • barryt007barryt007 Throwing Kara 'brain dead' Milovy off the top of a Ferris Wheel in Vienna
    edited October 2017 Posts: 14,640
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: TMWTGG
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: TMWTGG
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: DN
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: TMWTGG
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TMWTGG
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 7
    TMWTGG - 10
  • Posts: 1,031
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: DN
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: TMWTGG
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 12
    TMWTGG: 5
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 1,662
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: DN
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: DN (Gun has more humour but most of it is naff)
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 15
    TMWTGG - 2
  • suavejmfsuavejmf England
    Posts: 3,551
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: DN
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 17
    TMWTGG - 0
  • NSGWNSGW London
    Posts: 299
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: DN
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 13
    TMWTGG - 4
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
    Posts: 273
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 16
    TMWTGG - 1
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
    Posts: 1,054
    Title Track: TMWTGG
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN (Unfortunate because I rate TMWTGG as Moore's best performance.)

    DN - 14
    TMWTGG - 3
  • Posts: 2,723
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: DN
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 12
    TMWTGG - 5
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    Posts: 2,233
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: TMWTGG
    Dialogue: TMWTGG
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: DN
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humour: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: TMWTGG
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 8
    TMWTGG - 9
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