Spectre Gunbarrel ***Spoilers***

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  • skyfall felt slighty cramp with stuff, casino royale still seems slightly better, but skyfall is still a great bond film and one of daniels best. bring on bond 24! lol
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited October 2012 Posts: 9,117
    A bunch of nerds on a forum think they know how to craft a film better than Sam Mendes and Roger Deakins. Hilarious.

    Never said that. In terms of crafting a film I will never be at Mendes and Deakins level.

    In terms of putting the GB in the right place and getting everyone in the cinema pumped in the first 10 seconds that what they are watching is a Bond film I'm already way ahead of them.

    For all this 'amazing shot' they keep banging on about I'd imagine half the audience dont even notice it as they are whispering to the person next to them 'I wonder why they didnt start it with the GB again as usual?'

    And at the end of the day its just Bond standing in a corridor - its hardly the restaurant scene in Goodfellas or the pram down the stairs in Battleship Potemkin. I really dont see why it has to be treated with such reverence.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 4,619
    After all this fuss I'm hoping we will never have a gunbarrell sequence anywhere in any future Bond film ever again. Just to piss the fans off who think the traditional Bond elements are more important than the actual quality of the film.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 12,837
    After all this fuss I'm hoping we will never have a gunbarrell sequence anywhere in any future Bond film ever again. Just to piss the fans off who think the traditional Bond elements are more important than the actual quality of the film.

    NOBODY is saying it's more important than the film. They're just saying it belongs at the start.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    After all this fuss I'm hoping we will never have a gunbarrell sequence anywhere in any future Bond film ever again. Just to piss the fans off who think the traditional Bond elements are more important than the actual quality of the film.

    Obviously if it comes to a choice between having another DAD rather than SF then they could axe the GB forever. Its just infuriating that for one of the best films of the series on the 50th anniversary the first second is a crushing let down.

    Why could they not just scream 'Bond is most definitely back' and hit you with it right between the eyes from the first moment?

    Mind you the Craig GB designs have been so piss poor so far that at the start, the end, the middle you would still be left dissappointed.
  • Posts: 4,619
    Its just infuriating that for one of the best films of the series on the 50th anniversary the first second is a crushing let down.

    Crushing let down? Are you seriously telling me that that amazing opening shot is a let down?
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 12,837
    Its just infuriating that for one of the best films of the series on the 50th anniversary the first second is a crushing let down.

    Crushing let down? Are you seriously telling me that that amazing opening shot is a let down?

    It's a nice shot but I'd have preferred a gunbarrel and I think most people would agree with me to be honest.

    They should've just shrunk the dots like they did in the early Connery films if they cared that much about the shot.
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    It's a nice shot but I'd have preferred a gunbarrel and I think most people would agree with me to be honest.

    Thank God Sam Mendes is not one of them.
  • MartinBondMartinBond Trying not to muck it up again
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    Having the silhouette be the first thing you see is so striking and the gunbarrel would've hindered that. And coupled with the fact that the gunbarrel works so brilliantly at the end, it really wasn't much of a compromise if a compromise at all.

    Don't know what anyone can add to this.

  • What do you love so much about that shot, seriously?

    And there are plenty of ways around it. They could've just had the dots shrink like the old films.

    I know people don't like SF criticism on here (before I get singled out as a "hater" it's in my top 5), but I think they dropped the ball with the gunbarrel.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 4,619
    but I think they dropped the ball with the gunbarrel.

    I understand the cricism but I don't agree with it. There are fans who prefer to have all the familiar motifs in place and believe that they are more important than a great shot like the opening shot of Skyfall.

    On the other hand there are fans like me who like the familiar motifs but believe that the quality of the film shouldn't be compromised just to include these motifs.
  • Having the silhouette be the first thing you see is so striking and the gunbarrel would've hindered that. And coupled with the fact that the gunbarrel works so brilliantly at the end, it really wasn't much of a compromise if a compromise at all.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Its just infuriating that for one of the best films of the series on the 50th anniversary the first second is a crushing let down.

    Crushing let down? Are you seriously telling me that that amazing opening shot is a let down?

    Well yes. I'm afraid I was too pissed off after bracing myself for a rousing GB to even notice it. Maybe in time I'll come to apprectiate its a nice shot but I dont think it had the desired effect on me that Mendes was intending.

    I'll have to wait till I see it again to see if all you apologists for this seminal piece of camerawork and the fact that it would've been impossible to put it after the GB are telling the truth.
  • Its just infuriating that for one of the best films of the series on the 50th anniversary the first second is a crushing let down.

    Crushing let down? Are you seriously telling me that that amazing opening shot is a let down?

    Well yes. I'm afraid I was too pissed off after bracing myself for a rousing GB to even notice it. Maybe in time I'll come to apprectiate its a nice shot but I dont think it had the desired effect on me that Mendes was intending.

    I'll have to wait till I see it again to see if all you apologists for this seminal piece of camerawork and the fact that it would've been impossible to put it after the GB are telling the truth.
    It wouldn't be impossible it would just reduce the impact.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 269
    For all this 'amazing shot' they keep banging on about I'd imagine half the audience dont even notice it as they are whispering to the person next to them 'I wonder why they didnt start it with the GB again as usual?'

    I agree with that ! After 20minutes of advertisement, what I need is something to tell me "The film is finally beginning". Honestly, the first shot is a good shot, but I was more asking myself why they didn't put the gunbarrel, than really admiring the work. The gunbarrel is a good way to put silence in the room, after all the ads. The diminishing circle is teasing us to what is going to come as a film overture.

    I was almost wondering if the Bond silhouette in the corridor would not suddenly pull out its gun and shoot an invisible shooter, and suddenly, we would see Bond through the gunbarrel of the victim.
    Since Skyfall is bringing most of the elements back into place, in an original manner, what not playing around the GB at the beginning, instead of being redundant in the end, and repeating the QOS shot.

    I would even add that the gunbarrel is no surprise at end. It would have been much more surprising at the beginning, since we would have discover the new aesthetic of the GB, and be tease about the next shot. And I can tell you that a brand new GB, and then the Bond silhouette would have sent me directly to (double 0) Heaven !
  • Posts: 13
    You know I was one of the purists , moaning about the gunbarrel being at the end of Quatum....As for Skyfall ...you know what its does not matter a jot....because Skyfall is a great Bond film and , Quantum was not...it was not even a great film. Skyfall is simply brilliant...Bond is Back. Hey they had the Gunbarrel at the beginging od Die Another Day...but what followed was crap.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 117
    The gunbarrel more suited the ending in a way, because now you have the Bond movies how we remember them (hey, there hasn't been a male M in my lifetime. So as soon as the GB kicks in I was like 'YES. BOND IS BACK. THE REAL BOND IS BACK.'
    It actually made me more excited for Bond 24 that way. I'd like the GB to go back to the classic Binder design, but then it would be argued that the inside of a gun isn't that shiny... Looks a hell of a lot cooler though.
  • Look, the gunbarrel in Skyfall was awful. Rushed, horrible design, out of sync with the Bond theme tune and at the bloody end. A real mess. The film itself was awesome. Just put it back at the start of Bond 24, make it look and sound right, and we'll all be happy!
  • DiscoVolanteDiscoVolante Stockholm, Sweden
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    Yes it was awful, but I expected it to be. I'm afraid I don't think Daniel Craig will have a traditional great gunbarrel in any of his films.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited October 2012 Posts: 13,350
    I'm afraid I don't think Daniel Craig will have a traditional great gunbarrel in any of his films.

    You're the second person to have said this. I'd wait personally, before making such a statement.
  • tqbtqb
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    Maybe for his last one.
  • DiscoVolanteDiscoVolante Stockholm, Sweden
    Posts: 1,347
    Samuel001 wrote:
    I'm afraid I don't think Daniel Craig will have a traditional great gunbarrel in any of his films.

    You're the second person to have said this. I'd wait personally, before making such a statement.
    Even if they put it back in the beginning, it will probably look as awful anyway.

  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    I personally don't think the GB would have worked with that sequence, the traditional one that is, Mendes did a subverted version in the opening anyway, pity it's a little too subtle for some who continue to throw their toys out of their pram about this 15 second sequence, DAD had a GB but did that make it a better Bond film? well only for a moron maybe.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 1,661
    Absolute proof the Bond producers DO NOT KNOW BEST when it comes to making all aspects of a modern James Bond film:



    That is far better, or if you prefer, FAR MORE FAITHFUL to the original concept of the gun barrel opening than the official version of Quantum of Solace. Something like that would have been ideal for Skyfall. :)

    The sombre music when the circle opens up and we see the Italian backdrop is fantastic. So moody!!!! And Craig's walk is slowed down and looks the way Bond walks. This is how it should be!!!!

    I do think the Bond producers have lost the plot when it comes to the gun barrel. They're utterly clueless. Why, I don't know. Most people think the rest of what Eon do is pretty good, most people think they've updated the films and made them a bit more relevant to modern times, but they've totally lost their minds when it comes to the opening of the Craig Bond films. It's a bit farcical when you think about it. Oh well, at least people can do cool fan edits like this and make it look better. :)

    And people can condemn for saying this but any fan that says "I don't care if the gun barrel is at the end or speeded up or cut shorter"

    is not a true James Bond fan and I include the producers, Barbara Broccoli and MG WIlson. Yes, you are not true James Bond fans because true fans would never butcher/alter/stick it at the end, speed it up, stick it a toilet (in Casino Royale). A toilet? Shameful decision. Sorry to be blunt but I stand by what I've just written. So much bull**** is written about changing the gun barrel but it's WRONG to move it. PERIOD. Show some respect for God's sake.
  • tqbtqb
    Posts: 1,022
    Do you really think that the producers don't know what's best?
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 1,661
    They don't know what's best when it comes to the gun barrel. That's clear enough! Why would you take such an iconic sequence like the gun barrel and stick it at the end? It's unforgivable. How dare they do that? Don't they care? It makes me sad and a (bit) angry. Sure, it's just a 20 second intro but it's showing so much disregard and, dare I say, contempt. Anyway, I've said my piece.

    SF has opened huge in the UK so why should Babs and MG give a toss what some fan thinks and writes on a forum. They don't give a toss about fans being upset because most people don't even care about the gb being at the end. Only long term fans care and we are not the majority making Skyfall a big hit. The minority care the most but the producers don't care what we think. The true James Bond film franchise died in 2002 - irrespective of whether or not you think the Craig era is better than the 1962 - 2002 era.
  • fanbond123 wrote:
    Absolute proof the Bond producers DO NOT KNOW BEST when it comes to making all aspects of a modern James Bond film:



    That is far better, or if you prefer, FAR MORE FAITHFUL to the original concept of the gun barrel opening than the official version of Quantum of Solace. Something like that would have been ideal for Skyfall. :)

    The sombre music when the circle opens up and we see the Italian backdrop is fantastic. So moody!!!! And Craig's walk is slowed down and looks the way Bond walks. This is how it should be!!!!

    I do think the Bond producers have lost the plot when it comes to the gun barrel. They're utterly clueless. Why, I don't know. Most people think the rest of what Eon do is pretty good, most people think they've updated the films and made them a bit more relevant to modern times, but they've totally lost their minds when it comes to the opening of the Craig Bond films. It's a bit farcical when you think about it. Oh well, at least people can do cool fan edits like this and make it look better. :)

    And people can condemn for saying this but any fan that says "I don't care if the gun barrel is at the end or speeded up or cut shorter"

    is not a true James Bond fan and I include the producers, Barbara Broccoli and MG WIlson. Yes, you are not true James Bond fans because true fans would never butcher/alter/stick it at the end, speed it up, stick it a toilet (in Casino Royale). A toilet? Shameful decision. Sorry to be blunt but I stand by what I've just written. So much bull**** is written about changing the gun barrel but it's WRONG to move it. PERIOD. Show some respect for God's sake.
    Not true James Bond fans? How dare you. That statement completely diminishes the little respect and credibility I had for your argument. It's one thing to disagree but to say someone is not a true Bond fan because a 20 second logo is moved from the beginning of the film to the end is absurd. Bond is about more than just the gunbarrel.
  • tqbtqb
    Posts: 1,022
    Not true James Bond fans? How dare you. That statement completely diminishes the little respect and credibility I had for your argument. It's one thing to disagree but to say someone is not a true Bond fan because a 20 second logo is moved from the beginning of the film to the end is absurd. Bond is about more than just the gunbarrel.

    Agreed. So if there was no gun barrel, it wouldn't be a bond movie?
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 1,661
    You are not a true James Bond fan if you justify/applaud the moving of the gun barrel to the end of the film or putting it in a toilet (as was the case with Casino Royale).

    I stand by my comment. Anyone wishing to justify Eon Production's decision to move the gun barrel to the end of the precredit scene in CR and the end of QOS and SF is not a true, respectful fan of the franchise and I include Eon Productions/Danjaq/Sony Pictures and MGM. They are not true fans of the franchise but business people exploiting the franchise for commercial gain. I'm not saying they can't make decent Bond films but I am saying they are not true fans of the franchise because no true, honest fan would ever entertain the thought of moving the gun barrel.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 4,619
    fanbond123 wrote:
    Absolute proof the Bond producers DO NOT KNOW BEST when it comes to making all aspects of a modern James Bond film:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gayqFoKipVY&feature=related

    I'm sorry but this doesn't work.... at....all. You clearly don't know much about filmmaking.
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