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You both loved Skyfall then? It had the whole Bond theme once, Breadcrumbs, and was in plenty of other action cues, every time Bond did something bondian.
Well, in any case, in the tracklist of the SPECTRE album we do have an instrumental version of WOTW, which makes us think it's going to be used at some point.
Does it really matter ?
Yes, it'll make the difference between a good score and a beautiful score.
Err... In the sense that properly working the title song into the score is a defining characteristic of many (most?) of the great Bond movies, then we'll, yes. Absolutely.
If you don't care about this kind of stuff then fair enough, but these issues are the bread and butter of a Bond forum, IMO.
I still find difficult to listen to the actual song without getting nauseous, so if someone could please let me know, I'd appreciate it. To my ears at least, it has been orchestrated specifically for the film (by Newman?) and is not just an instrumental version of the song without singing.
Ok, thanks @Murdock. It doesn't sound too bad like this actually, although it still has a bit of a Disney vibe in places to me. Bearable.
None, yet. However the instrumental version on the soundtrack (which differs from the one above) is fantastic, at least!
The clips are way too short to be able to really tell anything. I have a feeling the score will fit the accompanying scenes like a glove (something Newman is very good at) but I'm not hearing too much melody in those admittedly very brief samples.
It definitely has an SF flavour to it, but slightly amped up.
I think we'll only really be able to tell tomorrow once it's released.
Mind you, I don't discount the amount of effort it takes to score and arrange ANY soundtrack. I can appreciate the work it takes.
BUT - Spectre sounds as if it was phoned-in from Skyfall.
Yes, I can see Newman's score working fine within the context of the film. The almost harrowing, "physically deep" sound of Newman's Bond work practically detaches you from the world around you, whether it is "Bond" or not, much as Barry's Thunderball score virtually immerses you underwater. In this respect, Newman's score worked in Skyfall. I can't speak of Spectre in this respect until I see the actual visuals with the audio, but I suspect the same.
However, other than a few different instruments layered over more-or-less pre-existing Skyfall arrangements, Spectre is pretty much more of the same - if not a bit sloppier for trying to reinvent previous arrangements. Sure, homaging Skyfall isn't a bad thing, but not if a good deal of the score sounds entirely interchangeable.
Regardless, there are two tracks really eating at me: Los Muertos Vivos Estan and Westminster Bridge. If there was any clue that Newman is copping out of the Bond theme (or, in his defense, the powers that be above him might be commandeering this decision), the former track is proof. The Bond theme to slides its way into both of these tracks - and it doesn't take more than a second to realize it's David Arnold's orchestration. Hearing it felt like a complete betrayal to anyone who had a slight glimmer of hope for something new.
As for the second of these two tracks? It sounds like someone on YouTube mashed a pre-existing Skyfall action track with one of Arnold's TND tracks, and didn't even do a good job of it (and my bet is that this is exactly what someone did in Logic for Spectre). Quite frankly, I've heard Bond remixer JMY do this with far more success, even though most of his remixes are heavily Arnoldesque.
Strangely enough, the most stand-out piece is the instrumental version of the (in my opinion) weak and monotonous Writing's on the Wall. At least that provides an entirely new melody of interest (without the constant barrage of tribal-action-bongo-bass-equalized-noisemakers - the last word in creating cinematic tension without any shred of originality), while everything else doesn't.
It's a shame, considering Newman's father put out scores that were right up there with Barry's for originality and class - not to mention that you can't forget them once you've heard them.
Really really like Los Muertos Vivos Estan and The Eternal City.
Probably the tracks I like the most from the whole saga
Do you mean the James Bond theme or "007" used in FRWL, TB, YOLT, DAF and MR?