Music in SPECTRE

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  • Is there a version of the Bond theme in it??
  • 00Ralf00Ralf Germany
    edited October 2015 Posts: 149
    @fromswedenwithlove
    There is, and I really like the interpretation, but sadly it lacks my favourite part of the Bond theme (the brass bombastic da da da daaaaa da da da). Newman doesn't seem to like that one. I hate how he cut it off in Skyfall right before the mentioned part during the DB5 scene. :/ Listen to the 1st track on the CD, "Los muertos vivos estan".
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    I was hoping for something like Shanghai Drive, disappointed on that front
    but happy this score isn't as mellow as Skyfall
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Are there any songs that have the 007 theme? Or anything like African Rundown,Time to get out, a fast paced action song?? I listened to the samples but they don't give away a whole lot
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    Nope. just a few tracks with slight hint of Dun dun dah daaaahh. But just that part. No Bond guitar riff, no full use of the theme. Just mostly bland Newman/Zimmer noise.
  • cudak888 wrote: »
    Regardless, there are two tracks really eating at me: Los Muertos Vivos Estan and Westminster Bridge. If there was any clue that Newman is copping out of the Bond theme (or, in his defense, the powers that be above him might be commandeering this decision), the former track is proof. The Bond theme to slides its way into both of these tracks - and it doesn't take more than a second to realize it's David Arnold's orchestration.

    Huh? It's not.
    cudak888 wrote: »
    It's a shame, considering Newman's father put out scores that were right up there with Barry's for originality and class - not to mention that you can't forget them once you've heard them.

    Ever heard The Shawshank Redemption, Meet Joe Black, The Good German, Road to Perdition or Little Children? Every bit the equal of Alfred Newman's work.
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    Who would have thought "The Man from U.N.C.L.E." would have a more invigorating score.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    cudak888 wrote: »
    Regardless, there are two tracks really eating at me: Los Muertos Vivos Estan and Westminster Bridge. If there was any clue that Newman is copping out of the Bond theme (or, in his defense, the powers that be above him might be commandeering this decision), the former track is proof. The Bond theme to slides its way into both of these tracks - and it doesn't take more than a second to realize it's David Arnold's orchestration.

    Huh? It's not.

    It sounds a lot like The Name's Bond, James Bond
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython "I want you looking FABULOUS."
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    9th is very informative about film scoring, having a good ear about these things. If anyone should know, he's most reliable when it comes to this subject.
  • edited October 2015 Posts: 3,152
    Bit of a spoiler alert
    according to ACE's review of the film on the CBN boards - the instrumental version of Writing's On The Wall that's on the OST DOES appear in the film
  • Walecs wrote: »
    cudak888 wrote: »
    Regardless, there are two tracks really eating at me: Los Muertos Vivos Estan and Westminster Bridge. If there was any clue that Newman is copping out of the Bond theme (or, in his defense, the powers that be above him might be commandeering this decision), the former track is proof. The Bond theme to slides its way into both of these tracks - and it doesn't take more than a second to realize it's David Arnold's orchestration.

    Huh? It's not.

    It sounds a lot like The Name's Bond, James Bond

    It doesn't, really. The closest comparison is the Bond theme for when Bond enters Kazakhstan in TWINE.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2015 Posts: 23,883
    This track really impresses me, although it is recycled SF. It's the way he suggests the Bond theme here and 'amps' it up dramatically in Bondian fashion (from about 0.40 and then again at 1.35 and once more at 2.35) compared to the SF track that I like. I've been listening to it all day, and I don't tend to do that with Newman's work in general

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    bondjames wrote: »
    This track really impresses me, although it is recycled SF. It's the way he suggests the Bond theme here and 'amps' it up dramatically in Bondian fashion (from about 0.40 and then again at 1.35 and once more at 2.35) compared to the SF track that I like. I've been listening to it all day, and I don't tend to do that with Newman's work in general


    I on the other hand just keep seeing Bond run across the moors in SF and that's not good.

  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    Please, could you explain me... Are there two versions of the soundtrack??

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    One with 26 tracks and one with 27???
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython "I want you looking FABULOUS."
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    I would assume the online version would have the Sam Smith song, while the already packed CD doesn't include it. Kind of like how "Old Dog, New Tricks" was only available online.

    I wonder how different the cues will be in length again. SF's had to be trimmed to fit on the CD such as the opening of "Grand Bazaar".
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    The first one is my custom cover.... I just added the actual album version WOTW to it.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    I'm liking Newman's score from what I've heard but I want to make one point.

    I remember Barry said something to the effect that he speeded up the action by slowing down the music. OHMSS is a great example of this ..so is anytime the 007 theme is used. AVTAK is another good example.

    Arnold didn't always get that but sometimes believe it or not he did such as the motorcycle chase in TND and the Thames boat chase in TWINE.

    Newman seems to not use this approach and tries to keep the music in peace with the action.

    Having said that I am still enjoying the score and the non action bits are amazing.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython "I want you looking FABULOUS."
    edited October 2015 Posts: 5,166
    True. Barry slowed down the tempo of the James Bond theme considerably over the years that some don't like how "slow sounding" it was in TLD. If you then listen to his 1995 rendition, it's even slower despite being a piece for a compilation album. I actually included it in the tank chase just to see how it plays throughout the scene. Actually works, with the slower tempo matching with the tank's destruction.


  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2015 Posts: 23,883
    delfloria wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    This track really impresses me, although it is recycled SF. It's the way he suggests the Bond theme here and 'amps' it up dramatically in Bondian fashion (from about 0.40 and then again at 1.35 and once more at 2.35) compared to the SF track that I like. I've been listening to it all day, and I don't tend to do that with Newman's work in general


    I on the other hand just keep seeing Bond run across the moors in SF and that's not good.

    I think Newman has taken an approach with SP similar what Zimmer used for the Bat, John Powell for Bourne or Howard Shore for LOTR. He has taken the themes and motifs that he created for SF and varied them slightly for SP.

    When one looks back on his two Bond scores in time, they will have a holistic feel. That will be a positive for those who liked his work here, and a negative for those who didn't.

    I personally am indifferent at the moment. I like parts of SP's score better than SF, particularly when he borrows motifs from that film like Westminster Bridge which I referenced above for instance, but creatively I think there may have been more highlights on the SF OST (such as New Digs, The Chimera & Shanghai Drive).
  • edited October 2015 Posts: 3,152
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  • I'm now starting a major listen to go trhough the complete soundtrack. I'm on "The Eternal City" right now and it's really spooky...
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    0iker0 wrote: »
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    jake24 wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Hopefully Newman will compose all the music this time instead of casually lifting snippets of Arnold's CR score.

    Casually?

    Like it wouldn't go unnoticed.
    Yet it was explicitly in our faces.

    Exactly, which is why I hope Newman composes all the music this time around. Lifting music from Previous Bond films is pretty lazy.

    What did he lift for Skyfall? Bond Theme. Yes, what more? Why do you think he's going to lift Arnold's best score?

    Why couldn't Newman be bothered to do his own arrangements? The Bond theme too good for him to rearrange as the other previous composers? And CR is far from Arnold's Best score. TND is his best score.




    It's close but it's not the same arrangements.

    And Casino Royale's score is superb. By far his best. For me, the Arnold-Bond scores go like this: CR, TWINE, QOS, TND and DAD

    The Soundtrack Version differs from the Film Version. Watch the DB5 reveal. The CR version is used then when the DB5 leaves it turns into the Soundtrack version.
    About 1:40 in the video.




    Again, compare them if you like. It's not the same arrangement it's exactly as the album version (Breadcrumbs). They're really similar, but not the same. Newman's is a bit more Monty Normanish if you like. Really similar, not a rip-off.

    I agree. I think "The Name's Bond....James Bond" differs on certain key details from "Breadcrumbs". Moreover, where did that weird rumour come from? That David Arnold wrote "The James Bond Theme" cues? I have the bootleg expanded soundtrack, which was sent to the Academy Awards for screening, and there's absolutely no mention of David Arnold in there....

    I think this rumour is merely some wishful thinking of some David Arnold fans. And that's not fair.
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    One other thing? Can someone please tell me who composed the trailer music?
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    edited October 2015 Posts: 4,116
    0iker0 wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    0iker0 wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    0iker0 wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Hopefully Newman will compose all the music this time instead of casually lifting snippets of Arnold's CR score.

    Casually?

    Like it wouldn't go unnoticed.
    Yet it was explicitly in our faces.

    Exactly, which is why I hope Newman composes all the music this time around. Lifting music from Previous Bond films is pretty lazy.

    What did he lift for Skyfall? Bond Theme. Yes, what more? Why do you think he's going to lift Arnold's best score?

    Why couldn't Newman be bothered to do his own arrangements? The Bond theme too good for him to rearrange as the other previous composers? And CR is far from Arnold's Best score. TND is his best score.




    It's close but it's not the same arrangements.

    And Casino Royale's score is superb. By far his best. For me, the Arnold-Bond scores go like this: CR, TWINE, QOS, TND and DAD

    The Soundtrack Version differs from the Film Version. Watch the DB5 reveal. The CR version is used then when the DB5 leaves it turns into the Soundtrack version.
    About 1:40 in the video.




    Again, compare them if you like. It's not the same arrangement it's exactly as the album version (Breadcrumbs). They're really similar, but not the same. Newman's is a bit more Monty Normanish if you like. Really similar, not a rip-off.

    I agree. I think "The Name's Bond....James Bond" differs on certain key details from "Breadcrumbs". Moreover, where did that weird rumour come from? That David Arnold wrote "The James Bond Theme" cues? I have the bootleg expanded soundtrack, which was sent to the Academy Awards for screening, and there's absolutely no mention of David Arnold in there....

    I think this rumour is merely some wishful thinking of some David Arnold fans. And that's not fair.

    It came from an interview of Newman I believe. Yes they did indeed pay Arnold for the cues. It's somewhere on YT. I'll try to find it.

    I reserve the right to be wrong lol but that's what I remember.
  • Jeff Pfieffer.
    I'm liking Newman's score from what I've heard but I want to make one point.

    I remember Barry said something to the effect that he speeded up the action by slowing down the music. OHMSS is a great example of this ..so is anytime the 007 theme is used. AVTAK is another good example.

    Arnold didn't always get that but sometimes believe it or not he did such as the motorcycle chase in TND and the Thames boat chase in TWINE.

    Newman seems to not use this approach and tries to keep the music in peace with the action.

    In terms of tempo, Newman's action music generally not that much faster than Barry's. The difference is where with Barry the smallest rhythmic value would normally be 8th notes, with Newman he subdivides the measure into 16th notes - outlined by electronic sequences that the orchestra can "lock" into.
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    I think, overall it's better than SF but still falls short as a great Bond score.
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    One other thing? Can someone please tell me who composed the trailer music?

    Jeff Pfeifer.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    antovolk wrote: »
    One other thing? Can someone please tell me who composed the trailer music?

    Jeff Pfeifer.

    Yes, Pfeifer Frankfort. I think they've done all the DC trailers (known as Pfeifer Broz before).
  • Please could someone tell me if they know. Does the actually classic bond theme play in any of the action sequences. Because I miss that a lot
  • Please could someone tell me if they know. Does the actually classic bond theme play in any of the action sequences. Because I miss that a lot

    No, not a pure rendition of the Bond theme.
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