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  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,258
    The way the author wrote it sounds like a lot has to be rewritten. They said overhaul. Expecting more delays.
  • Blofeld0064Blofeld0064 Milford, Michigan
    Posts: 243
    @peter DM me.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    If P&W aren't being bought into rescue things like they were last time. That was the biggest mistake, their scripts are the basis then they get handed over to more noted writers.

    SP did this the other way round and look what we got. If Burns has now got this, I hazard this is a polish maybe an extensive one but I don't imagine he'll be changing anything that drastic that they need to started dismantling and rebuilding sets to suit his changes.


    I know optimistic there's a novelty.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 5,961
    antovolk wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    Scott Z Burns (Steven Soderbergh's Contagion and upcoming The Laundromat) is rewriting the script https://theplaylist.net/exclusive-scott-z-burns-bond-25-20190216/

    It feels like SP all over.

    Except with better people involved in fixing things up. It's interesting how much Fukunaga's hiring opened the floodgates to American talent on this. Wouldn't see the likes of Gilroy or Burns come in to fix up a Bond script even on Spectre

    You're forgetting American Richard Maibaum and of course Cubby.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    edited February 2019 Posts: 4,619
    Don't do it @peter ! When an ardent EON fan is concerned how should someone like me feel at this point? :)) As for Boyle leaving: this article says Boyle wanted to kill Bond, but what we heard previously was that EON / Craig wanted to kill Bond and Boyle was the one who was against it. Can you tell us which of these two scenarios is true?
    Blofeld0064 wrote: »
    What I'm betting is production will start on March 4th while burns is rewriting aspects of the script.
    Come on! At this point a March 4th start is as likely as Sean Connery himself stepping in to replace Cary Fukunaga, polish the script AND replace Daniel Craig.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 12,988
    Why the laughing emoticon.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    Posts: 4,619
    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    Why the laughing emoticon.
    it's a desperate laugh
  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
    Posts: 4,400
    peter wrote: »
    I've been quite a good boy, off-line, enjoying life, and I just got bombarded with emails in the past hour.

    I read the article that is causing jitters.

    And here is what I just wrote back to one of our posters:

    The Playlist is not tabloid, and the writer definitely knows a lot of what was happening with the Boyle fiasco. That's what indicated to me he has a very good source on, or close, to set (I read the article three times).

    Until I hear anything different, or at least taming this article, I have NO reason to believe that this guy has made a click-bait article. Once again, he seems to know an awful lot and it kinda/definitely is what I was hearing about Boyle's departure.

    The only thing I question is if this is really an overhaul, or a polish:

    A polish is what I would expect at this point in pre-production and would not give me the slightest cause for concern. But, since this article is filled with information only one would know from being in close, and he said it is an overhaul, then I am concerned. Really concerned.

    Once again, I heard nothing of this and I heard that second unit was hard in rehearsals (stunt unit). We've seen these pics. I heard about the locations (and yes I didn't hear which had been locked, but I know where they had visited (I still have heard nothing about Norway, as of this writing-- which is strange to say the least; but perhaps this info is the reason for that. Just yesterday at about two p.m., I was privy to seeing some very cool pics from GoldenEye with Gregg Wilson (not as a location, but where he was staying while he scouted jamaica recently).

    So, if it is an overhaul, then what are the stunt guys rehearsing? Are they keeping in the action sequences, and over-hauling the story around them (a la M:I films?)? I certainly hope not (this fills me with dread, and contradicts CF's own words about story-telling).

    So, yes, I am not alarmed by the hiring of Burns, IF this is a polish.

    But I am concerned that this is an overhaul that's expected to be done in one month (I never heard of the March 4 date officially, and always maintained it was in March that filming would commence (according to its own production page; however, and, sadly, I have no reason to doubt this article). And I am concerned that, if this is true, why didn't CF (who is a talented writer himself), think that he could not solve whatever plagues this script?

    I hate ever being one to feed the negative characters on this site, but if this is indeed an overhaul, and I have no reason to believe this writer doesn't know what he's talking about, then I am alarmed.

    I sincerely hope I am wrong. And I await some feedback to those who have given me very good morsels in the past that have been on the correct side of the ledger (saying that, these people, particularly my new "friend", pretty much said about Boyle's departure what I have just read in this article...).

    Until then, though, I'm knocked sideways by this news (and I don't doubt its authenticity in the least, I'm afraid. I just hope that the Playlist got one detail slightly incorrect: overhaul vs polish (and a polish would take 4 weeks. An overhaul??? I doubt even the best writer could turn in an amazing page one re-write in 4 weeks).

    P

    By your own logic wouldn't Eon have released a press statement if they were delaying filming date from March 4th? I recall you making a bit of a song and dance about it.

    Now you're recanting and saying The Playlist is as good a source as Eon. Interesting...

    Well, thanks for the "scoops", Pete. I'll stick to Collider next time.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 5,961
    @peter, how much can a top screenwriter get done in four weeks? Assuming he eats and sleeps. ;)
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    Wow this place has been buzzing what have I missed another script rewrite?
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    Posts: 4,619
    What happenes if Burns is unable to make the script significantly better in 4 weeks?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 12,988
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    Why the laughing emoticon.
    it's a desperate laugh
    That doesn't seem right.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
    Posts: 1,755
    The article makes it sound like he’s writing A WHOLE NEW SCRIPT. How can one accomplish a task like that within 4 weeks? This production is doomed.

    All I want is a final Bond movie starring Daniel Craig. I guess this may be too much to ask for.
  • Blofeld0064Blofeld0064 Milford, Michigan
    Posts: 243
    I find it hard to believe that it will be a complete overhaul! To me it seems like burns has been hired to polish aspects of the script that fukunaga and eon are not pleased with, You can't possibly rewrite an entire script in only 4 weeks let alone overhaul it.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 8,484
    Your
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    I've been quite a good boy, off-line, enjoying life, and I just got bombarded with emails in the past hour.

    I read the article that is causing jitters.

    And here is what I just wrote back to one of our posters:

    The Playlist is not tabloid, and the writer definitely knows a lot of what was happening with the Boyle fiasco. That's what indicated to me he has a very good source on, or close, to set (I read the article three times).

    Until I hear anything different, or at least taming this article, I have NO reason to believe that this guy has made a click-bait article. Once again, he seems to know an awful lot and it kinda/definitely is what I was hearing about Boyle's departure.

    The only thing I question is if this is really an overhaul, or a polish:

    A polish is what I would expect at this point in pre-production and would not give me the slightest cause for concern. But, since this article is filled with information only one would know from being in close, and he said it is an overhaul, then I am concerned. Really concerned.

    Once again, I heard nothing of this and I heard that second unit was hard in rehearsals (stunt unit). We've seen these pics. I heard about the locations (and yes I didn't hear which had been locked, but I know where they had visited (I still have heard nothing about Norway, as of this writing-- which is strange to say the least; but perhaps this info is the reason for that. Just yesterday at about two p.m., I was privy to seeing some very cool pics from GoldenEye with Gregg Wilson (not as a location, but where he was staying while he scouted jamaica recently).

    So, if it is an overhaul, then what are the stunt guys rehearsing? Are they keeping in the action sequences, and over-hauling the story around them (a la M:I films?)? I certainly hope not (this fills me with dread, and contradicts CF's own words about story-telling).

    So, yes, I am not alarmed by the hiring of Burns, IF this is a polish.

    But I am concerned that this is an overhaul that's expected to be done in one month (I never heard of the March 4 date officially, and always maintained it was in March that filming would commence (according to its own production page; however, and, sadly, I have no reason to doubt this article). And I am concerned that, if this is true, why didn't CF (who is a talented writer himself), think that he could not solve whatever plagues this script?

    I hate ever being one to feed the negative characters on this site, but if this is indeed an overhaul, and I have no reason to believe this writer doesn't know what he's talking about, then I am alarmed.

    I sincerely hope I am wrong. And I await some feedback to those who have given me very good morsels in the past that have been on the correct side of the ledger (saying that, these people, particularly my new "friend", pretty much said about Boyle's departure what I have just read in this article...).

    Until then, though, I'm knocked sideways by this news (and I don't doubt its authenticity in the least, I'm afraid. I just hope that the Playlist got one detail slightly incorrect: overhaul vs polish (and a polish would take 4 weeks. An overhaul??? I doubt even the best writer could turn in an amazing page one re-write in 4 weeks).

    P

    By your own logic wouldn't Eon have released a press statement if they were delaying filming date from March 4th? I recall you making a bit of a song and dance about it.

    Now you're recanting and saying The Playlist is as good a source as Eon. Interesting...

    Well, thanks for the "scoops", Pete. I'll stick to Collider next time.

    You’re a an obsessive mod edit @Pierce2Daniel . Go back to scavenging. Whatever I gave didn’t come from the websites you obsessively troll.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 8,484
    echo wrote: »
    @peter, how much can a top screenwriter get done in four weeks? Assuming he eats and sleeps. ;)


    He can certainly get a serious draft in place. A draft. But if it is a page one rewrite, I expect he’d need more time than this.

    That’s why I’m hoping he’s doing script doctoring and this is a polish.
  • patbpatb
    Posts: 4,599
    How hard can it be to find one person to write one decent Bond script! We are not splitting the atom here.

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,459
    I don't mind at all them bringing on a seasoned screenwriter to get the script finished. Why would that be a bad thing? I sincerely doubt it is a major overhaul, huge rewrite at this point. If the news about Boyle's ridiculous idea is true (killing off Bond), then we had a real break. P&W already did some work, Cary by now has a firm idea of where he wants the film to go. I just think them bringing in a good screenwriter is smart.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    Posts: 3,000
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Wow this place has been buzzing what have I missed another script rewrite?

    @007Blofeld Yep. See this:
    antovolk wrote: »
    Scott Z Burns (Steven Soderbergh's Contagion and upcoming The Laundromat) is rewriting the script https://theplaylist.net/exclusive-scott-z-burns-bond-25-20190216/

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited February 2019 Posts: 12,459
    echo wrote: »
    @peter, how much can a top screenwriter get done in four weeks? Assuming he eats and sleeps. ;)

    A whole lot. But do we really think this is being rewritten from the standpoint of changing the entire story so much that the writer would need to create an entirely new plot? I don't think so, no.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    Posts: 4,619
    4EverBonded wrote: »
    I don't mind at all them bringing on a seasoned screenwriter to get the script finished. Why would that be a bad thing?
    Because it would mean they were unable to get a good script produced, even though they had more than 3 years to do so. Would it have been that difficult to hire a seasoned screenwriter back in late 2015?
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    The article makes it sound like he’s writing A WHOLE NEW SCRIPT. How can one accomplish a task like that within 4 weeks? This production is doomed.

    All I want is a final Bond movie starring Daniel Craig. I guess this may be too much to ask for.

    Yes, looks like he’s massively rewriting P&W script. I wasn’t ready for that news.

    BTW, all the “M:I is better than Bond” lovers shouldn’t worry, since Fallout started filming without even a script. McQ only had a “detailed treatment”. Source: him.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2019 Posts: 5,869
    I'm actually looking forward to seeing what he contributes. Although I'm not aware of what he did, I did really enjoy Rogue One.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited February 2019 Posts: 12,459
    Seriously, films go through rewrite often in the process (not just Bond films). I think they have the basic story in mind by now, and a script to work with - not starting from scratch. Meaning, even if more than a mere polish (nothing to sneeze at), this is still certainly manageable.

    Considering the article made this sound so serious and troublesome, I can understand people getting a bit alarmed. But even with major story changes, this will work out. I say that because I think surely Cary and EON and Craig have decided on the basic story and the new screenwriter is very experienced and should be able to pull it all together.
  • JET007JET007
    Posts: 632
    March 4th comes directly from Variety's article they published YESTERDAY.

    "Bond 25 will begin shooting on March 4 with Craig in the lead for the fifth time. Fukunaga, whose feature credits include “Jane Eyre” and “Beasts of No Nation,” has become the first American director in the history of the franchise under MGM and Eon. The team of Neal Purvis and Robert Wade, who have been co-writers on the last six Bond films dating back to “The World Is Not Enough,” have returned to write the script."

    https://variety.com/2019/film/news/bond-25-moved-back-april-2020-1203141557/
  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
    Posts: 4,400
    peter wrote: »
    Your
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    I've been quite a good boy, off-line, enjoying life, and I just got bombarded with emails in the past hour.

    I read the article that is causing jitters.

    And here is what I just wrote back to one of our posters:

    The Playlist is not tabloid, and the writer definitely knows a lot of what was happening with the Boyle fiasco. That's what indicated to me he has a very good source on, or close, to set (I read the article three times).

    Until I hear anything different, or at least taming this article, I have NO reason to believe that this guy has made a click-bait article. Once again, he seems to know an awful lot and it kinda/definitely is what I was hearing about Boyle's departure.

    The only thing I question is if this is really an overhaul, or a polish:

    A polish is what I would expect at this point in pre-production and would not give me the slightest cause for concern. But, since this article is filled with information only one would know from being in close, and he said it is an overhaul, then I am concerned. Really concerned.

    Once again, I heard nothing of this and I heard that second unit was hard in rehearsals (stunt unit). We've seen these pics. I heard about the locations (and yes I didn't hear which had been locked, but I know where they had visited (I still have heard nothing about Norway, as of this writing-- which is strange to say the least; but perhaps this info is the reason for that. Just yesterday at about two p.m., I was privy to seeing some very cool pics from GoldenEye with Gregg Wilson (not as a location, but where he was staying while he scouted jamaica recently).

    So, if it is an overhaul, then what are the stunt guys rehearsing? Are they keeping in the action sequences, and over-hauling the story around them (a la M:I films?)? I certainly hope not (this fills me with dread, and contradicts CF's own words about story-telling).

    So, yes, I am not alarmed by the hiring of Burns, IF this is a polish.

    But I am concerned that this is an overhaul that's expected to be done in one month (I never heard of the March 4 date officially, and always maintained it was in March that filming would commence (according to its own production page; however, and, sadly, I have no reason to doubt this article). And I am concerned that, if this is true, why didn't CF (who is a talented writer himself), think that he could not solve whatever plagues this script?

    I hate ever being one to feed the negative characters on this site, but if this is indeed an overhaul, and I have no reason to believe this writer doesn't know what he's talking about, then I am alarmed.

    I sincerely hope I am wrong. And I await some feedback to those who have given me very good morsels in the past that have been on the correct side of the ledger (saying that, these people, particularly my new "friend", pretty much said about Boyle's departure what I have just read in this article...).

    Until then, though, I'm knocked sideways by this news (and I don't doubt its authenticity in the least, I'm afraid. I just hope that the Playlist got one detail slightly incorrect: overhaul vs polish (and a polish would take 4 weeks. An overhaul??? I doubt even the best writer could turn in an amazing page one re-write in 4 weeks).

    P

    By your own logic wouldn't Eon have released a press statement if they were delaying filming date from March 4th? I recall you making a bit of a song and dance about it.

    Now you're recanting and saying The Playlist is as good a source as Eon. Interesting...

    Well, thanks for the "scoops", Pete. I'll stick to Collider next time.

    You’re a an obsessive mod edit @Pierce2Daniel . Go back to scavenging. Whatever I gave didn’t come from the websites you obsessively troll.

    I was just wondering why you recanted so quickly. You were adamant a few pages back that official sources would reveal the new filming date.

    Additionally, when I post links to sources to corroborate my stories, you shoot me down. Meanwhile, your insider titbits come from no source - and currently you have a 0% success rate. The Emperor's new clothes, indeed...
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2019 Posts: 5,869
    From what I can remember, even Casino Royale went through rewrites while they were filming. Although I'm sure someone will swoop into correct me if I'm wrong.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
    Posts: 1,755
    JET007 wrote: »
    March 4th comes directly from Variety's article they published YESTERDAY.

    "Bond 25 will begin shooting on March 4 with Craig in the lead for the fifth time. Fukunaga, whose feature credits include “Jane Eyre” and “Beasts of No Nation,” has become the first American director in the history of the franchise under MGM and Eon. The team of Neal Purvis and Robert Wade, who have been co-writers on the last six Bond films dating back to “The World Is Not Enough,” have returned to write the script."

    https://variety.com/2019/film/news/bond-25-moved-back-april-2020-1203141557/

    This is all well & good, but this re-write news is as of today. March 4th is just that... YESTERDAY’S NEWS. Guess things changed overnight.
  • Ottofuse8Ottofuse8
    edited February 2019 Posts: 832
    *IF* (note my use of this word) this film turns out like spectre, it will have been 8 years since the last good bond film. 8 years since I last saw a new bond film and enjoyed it. And two massive disappointments since. The series will be at the worst point in its history (worse than the 6 year gap, worse than after tmwtgg, worse than after ohms) (and I don’t mean commercially or critically). They will have ruined the tenure of the best bond since Connery. And it’s not that my expectations were too high after casino royale. I would have been perfectly happy with tnd quality films for the rest of his tenure. I have no apology for my belief that eon should sell if they can’t get this one right. IF, on the other hand, they get it right, and we get a good film, the craig era will be good overall, if messy, with 3/5 good films, and I will hope for better in the next tenure but will overall be satisfied.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited February 2019 Posts: 12,988
    With respect, things change over time. Reports since October aren't automatically wrong because they don't match the current state today.

    Or tomorrow.
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