No Time To Die: Production Diary

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    Sites to always trust are Deadline, Variety, and Hollywood Reporter. Everything else has a wait and see approach
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondbat007 wrote: »
    Sites to always trust are Deadline, Variety, and Hollywood Reporter. Everything else has a wait and see approach
    Got it. Thanks.
  • edited February 2018 Posts: 4,619
    An interesting bit from 2013:

    "THR: I know you don’t want to do a James Bond film -- too big a budget, etc -- but if you could do one your way, on a small budget, full creative freedom, what would a Danny Boyle-made James Bond film look like?

    Boyle: I’ve already done one. You've seen it. Stellar cast as well. But I’m not really the guy for those movies. What we do, right, is we use genre -- you take a genre, like this has got a few genres running in it, you use a genre to try and get you in the mainstream. It’s a vehicle to boost you into the mainstream. And then you f--- with the genre. You twist it and change it and move it around. You can’t do it on those big movies. You genuflect in front of them. Too much money, too expectation. It’s the faith of the fans, it’s all that. You’ve got to be very careful. It’s very tempting of course -- I love the movies, I love the books, but I’m not the right guy for those."
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    Would take quite a lot to make Boyle do a blockbuster, it seems.
  • RC7RC7
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Bentley007 wrote: »
    I really hope that Danny Boyle and John Hodge ask Alex Garland to help with their script.

    Great suggestion. I’d have touted Garland as director as well. Thought ex machina was very good

    At last, a plausibly decent suggestion. Guy Ritchie can take a long run off a short cliff. A Garland Bond would be very interesting.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Garland would be a brilliant choice. I'm surprised his name hasn't been attached already.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    jake24 wrote: »
    Garland would be a brilliant choice. I'm surprised his name hasn't been attached already.
    As director he has to gel with the actor too. I get the impression Craig is the one driving the choice of directorial hopeful.
  • Posts: 5,767
    An interesting bit from 2013:

    "THR: I know you don’t want to do a James Bond film -- too big a budget, etc -- but if you could do one your way, on a small budget, full creative freedom, what would a Danny Boyle-made James Bond film look like?

    Boyle: I’ve already done one. You've seen it. Stellar cast as well. But I’m not really the guy for those movies. What we do, right, is we use genre -- you take a genre, like this has got a few genres running in it, you use a genre to try and get you in the mainstream. It’s a vehicle to boost you into the mainstream. And then you f--- with the genre. You twist it and change it and move it around. You can’t do it on those big movies. You genuflect in front of them. Too much money, too expectation. It’s the faith of the fans, it’s all that. You’ve got to be very careful. It’s very tempting of course -- I love the movies, I love the books, but I’m not the right guy for those."
    Would take quite a lot to make Boyle do a blockbuster, it seems.
    No, I don´t think so. If Boyle said that in 2013 he was asking for more money, nothing more. The way Babs and Michael handle the franchise, a director claiming he isn´t allowed to f**** with the genre is akin to a Bond girl claiming she´s not like those "bimbos from the past".

  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
    edited February 2018 Posts: 252
    If they start filming in December (what they have to do if they want to bring Bond 25 on screen by November 2019) I don't think they can wait for Boyle and his writer to come up with a screenplay "in a couple of months". I believe they already have their script and a director who is probably busy scouting locations at the moment. No way Daniel Craig would have signed for Bond 25 without a good script and a fitting director.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    I had a dream that Bond 25 ended up being basically a rehash of SF, with a weird blonde villain and all. Man would that be disappointing. The scary thing is that I could almost see something that stupid happening.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    If they make another Skyfall... Well... that’s just sad.
  • edited February 2018 Posts: 12,837
    I think the problem with Skyfall is it was never going to live up to first viewing. But remember that first viewing. There was so much buzz and hype around it and I left the cinema with a proper smile on my face. I think even though it loses some of its value on rewatch, it hit all the right notes at the time. I can remember members on here who went to the premier posting about how it was top five, with one or two even saying it was the best one. And even though it didn't seem quite as good on rewatch when the plot holes became a bit more obvious, I think it still takes a pretty good film to have that sort of impact and create that sort of reaction. It really struck a cord with mass audiences too, I had so many non Bond fan friends and family telling me how great they thought it was, and my wife loved it. It's also a special one for me because I took my nephew to see it at the cinema the second time I saw it and he really enjoyed it and is a bit of a fan now. And that was how I got into Bond, my adoptive dad taking me to see TLD at the cinema when I was around that age. So it made me happy that I got to do the same for my sister's kid (me and my wife have decided we're happy with just the two of us so there won't be any livingroyale jr's to pass the tradition on, hence the heir to the Bond fan throne falls to him).

    I still think it's pretty good for the record. Definitely top ten. Loses points for me because of the pretentious side of it and because it wasn't very original in a lot of ways. But the good still outweighs the bad imo.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    If they make another Skyfall... Well... that’s just sad.

    That's a genuine concern of mine. This era has shown, in SF, that they're willing to acknowledge Bond's age, Craig is looking older, and the writers and everyone else are going into this knowing that it will be his last. That's the exact set up needed for another "aging Bond" movie in the vein of SF.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Well, the rumours are that 'Logan' was the inspiration for Craig's return, so I wouldn't be surprised if age does come into it. Frankly it will be very difficult to hide it at the rate things seem to be going.

    I think EON will live in SF's shadow while Craig is Bond. The public still expects something that resonates with them like that film did and the media will inevitably draw comparisons between B25 and the 2012 entry. Whatever happens, I'm fairly certain they will try to give the film some 'heart'. The concern is will they cross the fine line? We'll have to wait and see. I certainly don't want to see another cryfest in the last act.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    65% chance it will be called “BOND”
  • bondjames wrote: »
    Well, the rumours are that 'Logan' was the inspiration for Craig's return, so I wouldn't be surprised if age does come into it. Frankly it will be very difficult to hide it at the rate things seem to be going.

    I think EON will live in SF's shadow while Craig is Bond. The public still expects something that resonates with them like that film did and the media will inevitably draw comparisons between B25 and the 2012 entry. Whatever happens, I'm fairly certain they will try to give the film some 'heart'. The concern is will they cross the fine line? We'll have to wait and see. I certainly don't want to see another cryfest in the last act.

    I wouldn't mind another personal/emotional movie because I think that would be in keeping with the other Craig films. The way I see it, they've been going down that road for a while so it's not really neccessary for them to turn around when they're so close to the end. I do hope that they change direction with the next actor comes though.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Well, the rumours are that 'Logan' was the inspiration for Craig's return, so I wouldn't be surprised if age does come into it. Frankly it will be very difficult to hide it at the rate things seem to be going.

    I think EON will live in SF's shadow while Craig is Bond. The public still expects something that resonates with them like that film did and the media will inevitably draw comparisons between B25 and the 2012 entry. Whatever happens, I'm fairly certain they will try to give the film some 'heart'. The concern is will they cross the fine line? We'll have to wait and see. I certainly don't want to see another cryfest in the last act.

    I wouldn't mind another personal/emotional movie because I think that would be in keeping with the other Craig films. The way I see it, they've been going down that road for a while so it's not really neccessary for them to turn around when they're so close to the end. I do hope that they change direction with the next actor comes though.
    That's a fair point and I agree. Best to finish it off with some consistency.
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    Maybe Boyle's radical idea is to do a lower budget Bond. Ditch the 200+ million dollar budgets and do something for 50 or 60 million like Deadpool did. Boyle could easily make a film for the price they spend on the Rome car chase in Spectre.
  • edited February 2018 Posts: 4,602
    I loved Logan: I am the perfect example of how it attracted an audience that previously had no interest in the whole series. I assume it did decent box office and I know it got decent reviews.

    Ageing is certainly a good hook in terms of getting the audience to relate to the central character. Even younger fans have seen their parents or grandparents "lose their powers" as time catches up with them. Time will catch up with every single member of the audience: it's one of the most powerful forces and there is nothing we can do. As with Logan, what we can see is how chracters cope with seeing themselves decline and the type of bravery it takes to look ageing in the face and deal with it face on.

    Is it a fluke or coincidence that a Bond movie with age and time as a core themes did so well? I dont think so. With this being DC's last and him ageing before our eyes, will they be tempted to revisit this theme? Perhaps.

    it could work well and it could be horrible IMHO. Nothing wrong with the concept - all about the execution.
  • Gobi-1 wrote: »
    Maybe Boyle's radical idea is to do a lower budget Bond. Ditch the 200+ million dollar budgets and do something for 50 or 60 million like Deadpool did. Boyle could easily make a film for the price they spend on the Rome car chase in Spectre.

    I think something smaller is more likely if they do want to do an Unforgiven/Logan type thing as well. But then actually, even if the rumours were true and that was the direction they were taking (I think it sounds believeable to be honest), who's to say that Boyle and his writer won't come up with something completely different to Purvis and Wade.
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    65% chance it will be called “BOND”

    or maybe just "JAMES".
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Given Craig will be exiting after this film (I honestly can't see him credibly continuing unless they want to do a story about a senior citizen in semi-retirement), I think he'll want some acting 'beef' in the script.

    I can't see him wanting to do big budget action fare after he leaves EON and so something which gives him an opportunity to showcase his acting skills while drawing a large audience may have been 'his' personal motivation for returning. Maybe that's what he was promised. It will give him a springboard to do other 'prestige' work once this gig is finished. Keep in mind he's hardly been visible as an actor outside of Bond for the past 7 or so years, so he needs to reintroduce himself.

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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    65% chance it will be called “BOND”

    or maybe just "JAMES".
    I think the predictable and uninventive title may be left for the B26 anniversary film which introduces a new actor. 'James Bond OO7' has a certain air to it.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Given Craig will be exiting after this film (I honestly can't see him credibly continuing unless they want to do a story about a senior citizen in semi-retirement), I think he'll want some acting 'beef' in the script.

    I can't see him wanting to do big budget action fare after he leaves EON and so something which gives him an opportunity to showcase his acting skills while drawing a large audience may have been 'his' personal motivation for returning. Maybe that's what he was promised. It will give him a springboard to do other 'prestige' work once this gig is finished. Keep in mind he's hardly been visible as an actor outside of Bond for the past 7 or so years, so he needs to reintroduce himself.

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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    65% chance it will be called “BOND”

    or maybe just "JAMES".
    I think the predictable and uninventive title may be left for the B26 anniversary film which introduces a new actor. 'James Bond OO7' has a certain air to it.

    I'm still predicting a simple title like "JAMES BOND" won't happen until after the Eon sale when an unimaginative producer gets their paws on 007, and makes a CGI filled Marvel inspired adventure that casts Robert Downey Jr as Bond. Until then I think the titles are safe in Eon's hands. Although the title, SP is sometimes criticized as being a bit on the dull side, it was still reasonably Bondian.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    I want a cool title similar to Quantum of Solace. Such a cool sounding title!
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    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    I want a cool title similar to Quantum of Solace. Such a cool sounding title!

    The Hildebrand Rarity is still available. I always liked Risico and The Property of A Lady.
  • DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    I want a cool title similar to Quantum of Solace. Such a cool sounding title!

    I can't stand that title to be honest. I know it's Fleming but to me it just doesn't sound very James Bond, just sounds weird and pretentious.

    But I could have lived with it if they'd actually commited to it. Instead we get it also being the name of the organisation (how does that relate to the titles meaning?), which feels so shoehorned in. It also came back to bite them on the arse a bit because if they'd just kept the organisation nameless (which I think works better for what they were going for in that film anyway) the SP retcon would have been much simpler. As it stands you can really tell they were making it up as they went along, all because they seemed to get cold feet over the title and shoehorned it in as the name of the organisation.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited February 2018 Posts: 13,048
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    I want a cool title similar to Quantum of Solace. Such a cool sounding title!
    The Hildebrand Rarity is still available. I always liked Risico and The Property of A Lady.
    I like all three of those. And I also like the use of Quantum of Solace, captured the fallout of Casino Royale and the events of the film just fine.

    Fleming is the way to go, to (potentially) bookend the Craig Bond films is another reason. The titles can easily absorb the content of future scripts and where the films are great, they take on and contribute to the greatness.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    Anyone think we'll ever see 007 In New York get made? Only half serious here.
  • edited February 2018 Posts: 11,425
    boldfinger wrote: »
    I think no matter how politically interested a director might be, a good paycheck goes a long way.

    Anyhow, it would be clever to leave out superfluous ballast for the next film. It was blatant how Bond´s alleged childhood trauma in SF and SP´s brothergate were completely irrelevant for the story. Any political agenda would probably end up with similar results, being mere catchphrases for the PR tour.

    Don’t get me started on SF and SP and all their hollow symbolism!

    Never heard that Fleming described Bond as left of centre. I’d say that this broadly fits the way in which the character has been portrayed on screen though. Bond is defending liberal values against totalitarians and tyrants. He’s obviously an internationalist and an interventionist. By today’s standards this would mark him out as a rabid liberal in the UK and US.

    He was also I would say (despite the racism in the books) ahead of the curve on race. Screen Bond is relatively free of prejudice in that area. And despite the supposed misogyny and sexism (of which there’s a fair amount), the films incorporated strong, assertive female characters from very early on. So Bond is practically a Guardian reader!

    Boyle would be fine.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    ToTheRight wrote: »

    I always liked PropertyOfALady.

    Thank you. I like you too.
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