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  • RC7RC7
    edited March 2016 Posts: 10,512
    HASEROT wrote: »
    @Germanlady... a lot of the push for Elba isn't coming from the black population - but it's mostly from (what i call) the white apologists in this country.... personally, I believe if you polled every Black person in this country - the majority of them couldn't probably care less about what color James Bond is..... but like i said, the ones loudly beating the drums are typically white hipster apologist millennials who carry this self appointed guilt over atrocities that they had nothing to do with

    The people banging the drum loudest are the subset of society that primarily exists online in the form of social justice warriors, who operate, almost uncosciously as iconoclasts.

    They take it upon themselves to target people and areas in which they have zero vested interest and cleanse them of their perceived 'impurities', or undesirable attributes.

    Then you get, as you say, the gullible millenniums piggybacking on these 'causes' as pseudo-activists, because they think they're 'sticking it to the man', when in reality the end goal waters everything down into to one homogenised inoffensive mess, with no identity, but a bastardised amalgam of elements reflecting the cause du jour.

    What they don't realise is, they're their own worst enemy. They create a climate of tokenism that I don't believe someone like Babs would ever buy into.

    You wouldn't go and stick a conservatory on a grade II listed building, you'd maintain it's character. The same should be true of culturally valuable art in the form of cinema.

    I have no problem with experimenting, no problem with a black Bond either, (I'd prefer it over ginger Lewis) although it wouldn't be my preference. They just need to stay true to the core, because once that is gone you rip the heart out of it and it becomes the homogenised mess these irrelevants crave.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    That is true. Many people not just in that demographic think anyone good-looking, who can wear a suit well is automatically eligible for the very unique role that Bond is. Bond isn't a bog standard generic character, defined by superficial traits. There are specifics and nuances to what should go into realising the character.

    This. It seems to be lost on many. The making of a good 007 is all in the nuance. That is why Connery did it best, nobody so effortlessly got the details right like he did.
  • GermanladyGermanlady
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    OK, thanks guys. But IMO, the more they try to push him, the less are his chances. Not that he needs Bond anymore. With TBT, he has his own franchise now. Well maybe.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    In a couple of years we will all have a good laugh at this Elba business when Dan Stevens is announced as the new Bond :))
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    I suppose the more they chip away at Bond as he was originally perceived the more he becomes something else altogether.

    It isn't just about colour surely? We have changed his hair colour with Craig, but if we go further with his skin colour, then surely other aspects are fair game?

    Why should he be British? Many Americans have dismissed the idea saying Bond should be British. But why?

    Why should he be able bodied? Is it fair on Warwick Davies to dismiss him for being too small?

    Why should he be heterosexual?

    Where do we really draw the line?
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    NicNac wrote: »
    I suppose the more they chip away at Bond as he was originally perceived the more he becomes something else altogether.

    It isn't just about colour surely? We have changed his hair colour with Craig, but if we go further with his skin colour, then surely other aspects are fair game?

    Why should he be British? Many Americans have dismissed the idea saying Bond should be British. But why?

    Why should he be able bodied? Is it fair on Warwick Davies to dismiss him for being too small?

    Why should he be heterosexual?

    Where do we really draw the line?

    Why should Bond be Bond even? It silly to pigeon hole Bond as a white heterosexual guy with a boring name.

  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    I don't even believe Bond is Bond.
    John Wick is Bond.
    And Duck Dodgers.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    TellyBlofeld wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Lancaster007 wrote: »
    smitty wrote: »
    Lancaster007 wrote: »
    Elba as Roland? Wouldn't really put him in that role, if that's true is Susannah going to be white now?! Part of the character dynamics for me was that Roland was caucasian and Susannah black.

    That is the exact reason so many lovers of the books are so upset with the news of Elba as Roland. It totally destroys the critical character of, and relationship dynamic with Roland of Susannah. The thought police are iof course in full cry screaming "racism" over those upset with this casting. Most of them have never read the books. Some site King's comments. Yeah, right, see the other author's ok with Criuise as Reacher, a totally physically bogus choice for Reacher.. Same authors sell out for finally getting a film made.

    Also I can't see Susannah as anything other than the way she's written (her ethnicity and social standing), and with both her and Roland black it would change their relationship. I'm excited that TDT will be made but not to sure about the casting.

    I've never read The Dark Tower books (although I really should), but they do sound damn good. What's the reason for people being pissed off about Elba?

    Just haters. Elba would be a great Bond.

    Elba would be a great Bond if he wasn't black.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Elba's too old now for Bond.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited March 2016 Posts: 5,131
    That too.

    Moving on, I always thought (not now as he's too old) that Julian McMahon was worth a screen test back in the early 2000's. Smooth, good looking, tall, has a hard edge if required and a good actor who is from the Commonwealth.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    HASEROT wrote: »
    @Germanlady... a lot of the push for Elba isn't coming from the black population - but it's mostly from (what i call) the white apologists in this country.... personally, I believe if you polled every Black person in this country - the majority of them couldn't probably care less about what color James Bond is..... but like i said, the ones loudly beating the drums are typically white hipster apologist millennials who carry this self appointed guilt over atrocities that they had nothing to do with

    Bingo!

  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    I think there's a lot of truth to that.
  • TellyBlofeldTellyBlofeld
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    bondjames wrote: »
    @ToTheRight, I agree with you on a more 'classic' looking Bond. I'm presently watching TLD, and Dalton looks especially good in it. Tall, lean, looks good in the suits. Of course none of this matters if the actor can't portray Bond convincingly. However, my preference is for someone more with a Dalton/Lazenby/early Connery frame. 6 ft 1 in plus and fit.

    Dalton seemed too scrawny for me.

    Lazenby/Connery/Craig are the prototypical Bonds.
  • fanbond123fanbond123
    edited March 2016 Posts: 1,661
    Dalton too scrawny?!!! Check out this incredible photo of him as Bond:

    http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/timothy-dalton-as-james-bond-does-his-own-stunt-work-in-the-007-to-picture-id160978561

    Wow - that is James Bond. Period. :-O That is one of the best film photos I've ever seen!!!! Just found it on Getty Images.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    The literary Bond had basically a swimmers body shape.
  • TellyBlofeldTellyBlofeld
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    Dalton too scrawny?!!! Check out this incredible photo of him as Bond:

    http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/timothy-dalton-as-james-bond-does-his-own-stunt-work-in-the-007-to-picture-id160978561

    Wow - that is James Bond. Period. :-O That is one of the best film photos I've ever seen!!!! Just found it on Getty Images.

    He's got a coat on.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I am a Dalton fan but have to say his physique was on the thin side.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Dalton could have done with a few protein bars and could have done with hitting the gym at least twice a week but physique wise he looked.....ordinary. still, he was a tough Bond though.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Bond doesn't need to be built like the Hulk to be tough. And Dalton didn't exactly look scrawny when he was shirtless in LTK. Slim, yes, but not scrawny.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Being in shape and looking cut isn't the same as looking like the hulk.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Like I said, I'd prefer at least 6ft 1 or thereabouts, and slim but fit. That's how I see Bond. Some definition but not too ripped.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    I never minded Bond not being "muscular" or bulky. In fact with Moore, Dalton and Brosnan I always thought of Bond being a normally build man.

    The only scene in Casino Royale that is a crime and should have never been made, is that hilarious Ursula Andress parody moment with Craig at the beach. Really, how could Martin Campbell let this happen.
    Luckily it's short enough not to harm the movie, but still...Craig was WAY TO MUSCULAR there.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited March 2016 Posts: 11,139
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    I never minded Bond not being "muscular" or bulky. In fact with Moore, Dalton and Brosnan I always thought of Bond being a normally build man.

    The only scene in Casino Royale that is a crime and should have never been made, is that hilarious Ursula Andress parody moment with Craig at the beach. Really, how could Martin Campbell let this happen.
    Luckily it's short enough not to harm the movie, but still...Craig was WAY TO MUSCULAR there.

    Two words:

    Barbara Broccoli.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    I never minded Bond not being "muscular" or bulky. In fact with Moore, Dalton and Brosnan I always thought of Bond being a normally build man.

    The only scene in Casino Royale that is a crime and should have never been made, is that hilarious Ursula Andress parody moment with Craig at the beach. Really, how could Martin Campbell let this happen.
    Luckily it's short enough not to harm the movie, but still...Craig was WAY TO MUSCULAR there.

    He's no more muscular here than in any other scene; what gives that illusion is the framing and lighting of the sequence.

  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Being in shape and looking cut isn't the same as looking like the hulk.

    Fair point. But look at Lazenby, quite possibly the most slim built of Bond actors, but definitely the most athletic.
  • RC7RC7
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    Agree with the above re. a slimmer Bond. Whoever they cast should do their pre-production training in the pool and on a climbing wall. No heavy weight training, dead lifting, kettle bells, 10,000 calorie breakfasts and all that. Keep it real.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    talos7 wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    I never minded Bond not being "muscular" or bulky. In fact with Moore, Dalton and Brosnan I always thought of Bond being a normally build man.

    The only scene in Casino Royale that is a crime and should have never been made, is that hilarious Ursula Andress parody moment with Craig at the beach. Really, how could Martin Campbell let this happen.
    Luckily it's short enough not to harm the movie, but still...Craig was WAY TO MUSCULAR there.

    He's no more muscular here than in any other scene; what gives that illusion is the framing and lighting of the sequence.

    And probably the pump in his arms.

  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    I never minded Bond not being "muscular" or bulky. In fact with Moore, Dalton and Brosnan I always thought of Bond being a normally build man.

    The only scene in Casino Royale that is a crime and should have never been made, is that hilarious Ursula Andress parody moment with Craig at the beach. Really, how could Martin Campbell let this happen.
    Luckily it's short enough not to harm the movie, but still...Craig was WAY TO MUSCULAR there.

    Many consider that a very iconic scene.
  • jackdaggerjackdagger
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    I've read that that scene was an unscripted outtake. If it's true, it's not like they were trying to reference Dr. No.
  • TellyBlofeldTellyBlofeld
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    mcdonbb wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    I never minded Bond not being "muscular" or bulky. In fact with Moore, Dalton and Brosnan I always thought of Bond being a normally build man.

    The only scene in Casino Royale that is a crime and should have never been made, is that hilarious Ursula Andress parody moment with Craig at the beach. Really, how could Martin Campbell let this happen.
    Luckily it's short enough not to harm the movie, but still...Craig was WAY TO MUSCULAR there.

    Many consider that a very iconic scene.

    It is because he's showing he's not skinny like Pierce, soft like Rog, or scrawny like Tim.

    I Like Tim's Bond, I do, but a little slight, in my opinion.
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