No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Posts: 4,619
    matt_u wrote: »
    We went from people like Villeneuve (extraordinary filmaker) and Boyle (super experienced Academy Award winning filmaker) to Clarkson who? Pretty disappointing.
    That's an understatement.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 6,470
    matt_u wrote: »
    The question is: how many TV directors made an impressing big budget directorial debut on the big screen?

    Joss Whedon, Alan Taylor, Edgar Wright, Mimi Leder, Robert Altman, and an unknown fella called Steven Spielberg. All cut their teeth on a variety of TV productions for years before transitioning over into the big leagues. I'm fairly sure three or four of those names made quite a splash with their debut and sophomore features.
  • Posts: 4,619
    RC7 wrote: »
    Wonder what excuse Pistoles would give re. the Russo Brothers?
    The Russo Brothers are pretty good a making cookie-cutter Marvel movies, but they are certainly no Sam Mendes or Danny Boyle. Btw, unlike SJ, they did direct several feature films before they were hired to do Captain America 2.
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 15,556
    matt_u wrote: »
    The question is: how many TV directors made an impressing big budget directorial debut on the big screen?

    Joss Whedon, Alan Taylor, Edgar Wright, Mimi Leder, Robert Altman, and an unknown fella called Steven Spielberg. All cut their teeth on a variety of TV productions for years before transitioning over into the big leagues. I'm fairly sure three or four of those names made quite a splash with their debut and sophomore features.

    That Columbo episode (Murder by the Book) comes to mind re. Spielberg.
  • Posts: 4,619
    matt_u wrote: »
    The question is: how many TV directors made an impressing big budget directorial debut on the big screen?

    Joss Whedon, Alan Taylor, Edgar Wright, Mimi Leder, Robert Altman, and an unknown fella called Steven Spielberg. All cut their teeth on a variety of TV productions for years before transitioning over into the big leagues. I'm fairly sure three or four of those names made quite a splash with their debut and sophomore features.
    How many of those directors directed a mega budget movie as their first theatrial feature film? SJ should direct 2 or 3 nice little thrillers first (movies, not TV episodes), if those deliver, sure, we can talk about her directing a Bond film.
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    Don’t feed the trolls please people.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 3,461
    matt_u wrote: »
    The question is: how many TV directors made an impressing big budget directorial debut on the big screen?

    Joss Whedon, Alan Taylor, Edgar Wright, Mimi Leder, Robert Altman, and an unknown fella called Steven Spielberg. All cut their teeth on a variety of TV productions for years before transitioning over into the big leagues. I'm fairly sure three or four of those names made quite a splash with their debut and sophomore features.

    Come on... The Avengers was a smash but still looks like a big budget TV movie (for example, Age of Ultron was far more cinematic speaking about direction). Taylor is crap. Wright directed a small budget film. Altman (lol) didn't directed an A-list Hollywood production. Spielberg is a genius and with Lucas invented the modern summer blockbuster.

    We're talking about making a smashing Bond movie, not some Marvel, Terminator, Fast & Furious etc etc crap here. We all know how is difficult delivering a Bond movie, given all the expectations, the mammoth pressure and the super tight schedule.

    I'm just saying that I don't see a profile like Clarkson the best fit for this job. I'm no producer, I'm just a junior architect and a movie maniac, but I really can't get excited about the idea of Bond movie directed by Clarkson.

    IF she gets the job, I'll be her best supporter. But on paper going from Villeneuve or Boyle to Clarkson remains a long shot.
  • Posts: 1,297
    matt_u wrote: »
    The question is: how many TV directors made an impressing big budget directorial debut on the big screen?

    Joss Whedon, Alan Taylor, Edgar Wright, Mimi Leder, Robert Altman, and an unknown fella called Steven Spielberg. All cut their teeth on a variety of TV productions for years before transitioning over into the big leagues. I'm fairly sure three or four of those names made quite a splash with their debut and sophomore features.
    How many of those directors directed a mega budget movie as their first theatrial feature film? SJ should direct 2 or 3 nice little thrillers first (movies, not TV episodes), if those deliver, sure, we can talk about her directing a Bond film.

    Frank Darabont (TV), Sam Mendes (only theatre), Mike Nicholes (TV), Sidney Lumet (TV), John Frankenheimer, and that is just off the top of my head without even trying.

    TV directors cross to studio pictures all the time. Fact.
  • Posts: 4,619
    I just realized there is an angle to SJ Clarkson directing Bond 25 I haven't thought of before. Sure, going from Sam Mendes and Danny Boyle to SJ is pretty bad, but on the other hand going from SJ Clarkon to the great Christopher Nolan sounds pretty amazing. :))

    From DAD to CR...
    From SJ Clarkson's Bond 25 to Christopher Nolan's Bond 26....
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,464
    RC7 wrote: »
    Wonder what excuse Pistoles would give re. the Russo Brothers?
    The Russo Brothers are pretty good a making cookie-cutter Marvel movies, but they are certainly no Sam Mendes or Danny Boyle. Btw, unlike SJ, they did direct several feature films before they were hired to do Captain America 2.

    Yeah, the universally lauded ‘Welcome to Collinwood’ and ‘You Me and Dupree’.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 3,461
    TR007 wrote: »
    Don’t feed the trolls please people.

    Excuse me Sir, but I'm no troll.

    Now it's not even permitted to share some perplexity about Clarkson? After tons of exhausting OFF TOPIC complaints, frustration and toxicity about "Spectre ruined my life", "Craig and Barbara ruined the franchise", "How I miss the good old times" in a topic titled B25 Production Diary?

    Good to know.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Enemy of the state
    Posts: 41,590
    Danny Boyle also wears glasses, just saying.
  • Posts: 15,556
    Danny Boyle also wears glasses, just saying.

    Good point!
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited September 2018 Posts: 6,470
    matt_u wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    The question is: how many TV directors made an impressing big budget directorial debut on the big screen?

    Joss Whedon, Alan Taylor, Edgar Wright, Mimi Leder, Robert Altman, and an unknown fella called Steven Spielberg. All cut their teeth on a variety of TV productions for years before transitioning over into the big leagues. I'm fairly sure three or four of those names made quite a splash with their debut and sophomore features.

    Come on... The Avengers was a smash but still looks like a big budget TV movie (for example, Age of Ultron was far more cinematic speaking about direction). Taylor is crap. Wright directed a small budget film. Altman (lol) didn't directed an A-list Hollywood production. Spielberg is a genius and with Lucas invented the modern summer blockbuster.

    We're talking about making a smashing Bond movie, not some Marvel, Terminator, Fast & Furious etc etc crap here. We all know how is difficult delivering a Bond movie, given all the expectations, the mammoth pressure and the super tight schedule.

    I'm just saying that I don't see a profile like Clarkson the best fit for this job. I'm no producer, I'm just a junior architect and a movie maniac, but I really can't get excited about the idea of Bond movie directed by Clarkson.

    IF she gets the job, I'll be her best supporter. But on paper going from Villeneuve or Boyle to Clarkson remains a long shot.

    You asked for a list of high-profile directors who made the transition to high-profile film, and that is what you received. There are many more, I'm sure. Maybe @ColonelSun would be better suited to give examples above my Film Studies BA level.

    "Spielberg was a genius" - yes he sure is. He's made some stinkers, too. Does him being a "genius" mean that nobody else could ever end up as good as him? That other directors who start in humble beginnings are not worthy? If that's what you're saying, then I'm not too sure you understand what directing actually entails. A lot of what you just said there is simply personal opinion in the face of factual answers to your question. Yeah, The Avengers was a bit stagey in parts. It also was universally loved and made huge money.

    Bond is not the only one with massive fan expectation, studio pressure, and tight timetables. In fact, despite the Boyle events, Bond is still down the pecking order in that regard. All those franchises you mentioned may or may not be to your liking, but they have been directorial nightmares for many. The thing that sets Bond apart from the pack is its content, which is unique to any other series. The process by which it is made, especially in the last couple of entries, is no more or less challenging than any other franchise.

    There seems to be some serious ignorance going on here regarding TV directing, as if it's not as challenging as directing a low to mid-budget feature. Clueless is the only way I can describe that line of thinking, honestly.

    Yeah, Boyle to Clarkson is quite a leap. Not in quality, though. Just in name recognition. And to be quite honest, that doesn't matter in the slightest. Bond is bigger than the actor, and it is also bigger than the director. As long as they have a clear vision, they'll do fine.

    And that goes for any possible candidate.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 3,461
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    The question is: how many TV directors made an impressing big budget directorial debut on the big screen?

    Joss Whedon, Alan Taylor, Edgar Wright, Mimi Leder, Robert Altman, and an unknown fella called Steven Spielberg. All cut their teeth on a variety of TV productions for years before transitioning over into the big leagues. I'm fairly sure three or four of those names made quite a splash with their debut and sophomore features.
    How many of those directors directed a mega budget movie as their first theatrial feature film? SJ should direct 2 or 3 nice little thrillers first (movies, not TV episodes), if those deliver, sure, we can talk about her directing a Bond film.

    Frank Darabont (TV), Sam Mendes (only theatre), Mike Nicholes (TV), Sidney Lumet (TV), John Frankenheimer, and that is just off the top of my head without even trying.

    TV directors cross to studio pictures all the time. Fact.

    It's a fact of life. But goin from regular TV productions to directing a film this size? We're not talking about independent art house movies or relatively small budget comedy or drama directorial debuts. It's also true that behind the Bond franchise there's a granitic production company, but I'm still perplexed about this whole idea. Simply because I want 25 to be another GREAT Bond movie and Clarkson doesn't have any real feature film credentials.
  • Posts: 5,767
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    There is a push for fresh talent now, it's happening all over the place, so Eon won't have to worry about that at all, in fact it may prove to be a very smart move, if they go that way.
    Hiring a female director is a smart move as long as that female director is talented and can handle the pressure that comes with directing a big budget movie.S.J. Clarkson does not fit the bill.
    You just can´t stop making a joke out of yourself, can you? regardless of wether you believe a word @ColonelSun says or not, you make your own lack of knowledge and reason so obvious I find it hard not to get unpolite.

  • Danny Boyle also wears glasses, just saying.

    Campbell too.

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  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 6,470
    OwenDavian wrote: »
    Danny Boyle also wears glasses, just saying.

    Campbell too.

    245480_full.jpg

    They're both men, so it doesn't count.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe "I need a year off" Craig
    edited September 2018 Posts: 7,305
    boldfinger wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    There is a push for fresh talent now, it's happening all over the place, so Eon won't have to worry about that at all, in fact it may prove to be a very smart move, if they go that way.
    Hiring a female director is a smart move as long as that female director is talented and can handle the pressure that comes with directing a big budget movie.S.J. Clarkson does not fit the bill.
    You just can´t stop making a joke out of yourself, can you? regardless of wether you believe a word @ColonelSun says or not, you make your own lack of knowledge and reason so obvious I find it hard not to get unpolite.

    Everything in the above post by Panchito seems completely rational to me. Don't hire a director, female or not, unless they know what they're doing.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 6,470
    boldfinger wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    There is a push for fresh talent now, it's happening all over the place, so Eon won't have to worry about that at all, in fact it may prove to be a very smart move, if they go that way.
    Hiring a female director is a smart move as long as that female director is talented and can handle the pressure that comes with directing a big budget movie.S.J. Clarkson does not fit the bill.
    You just can´t stop making a joke out of yourself, can you? regardless of wether you believe a word @ColonelSun says or not, you make your own lack of knowledge and reason so obvious I find it hard not to get unpolite.

    Everything in the above post by Panchito seems completely rational to me. Don't hire a director, female or not, unless they know what their doing.

    Firstly, it's not rational at all when he hasn't seen any of the work by the person to make such a judgement. I don't care if it's predominantly television or not.

    Secondly, if that's reason enough for a director to be written off by him, especially these days in the era of big budget television, then he's got exactly zero clue of what he's talking about when it comes to directing. That's the reason why his posts are causing so much hassle.
  • Posts: 1,297
    boldfinger wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    There is a push for fresh talent now, it's happening all over the place, so Eon won't have to worry about that at all, in fact it may prove to be a very smart move, if they go that way.
    Hiring a female director is a smart move as long as that female director is talented and can handle the pressure that comes with directing a big budget movie.S.J. Clarkson does not fit the bill.
    You just can´t stop making a joke out of yourself, can you? regardless of wether you believe a word @ColonelSun says or not, you make your own lack of knowledge and reason so obvious I find it hard not to get unpolite.

    Everything in the above post by Panchito seems completely rational to me. Don't hire a director, female or not, unless they know what they're doing.

    The point is, these TV directors do know what the are doing. How on earth would they be directing top end TV? Directing top TV is a harder gig to get than many feature films.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited September 2018 Posts: 3,461
    matt_u wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    The question is: how many TV directors made an impressing big budget directorial debut on the big screen?

    Joss Whedon, Alan Taylor, Edgar Wright, Mimi Leder, Robert Altman, and an unknown fella called Steven Spielberg. All cut their teeth on a variety of TV productions for years before transitioning over into the big leagues. I'm fairly sure three or four of those names made quite a splash with their debut and sophomore features.

    Come on... The Avengers was a smash but still looks like a big budget TV movie (for example, Age of Ultron was far more cinematic speaking about direction). Taylor is crap. Wright directed a small budget film. Altman (lol) didn't directed an A-list Hollywood production. Spielberg is a genius and with Lucas invented the modern summer blockbuster.

    We're talking about making a smashing Bond movie, not some Marvel, Terminator, Fast & Furious etc etc crap here. We all know how is difficult delivering a Bond movie, given all the expectations, the mammoth pressure and the super tight schedule.

    I'm just saying that I don't see a profile like Clarkson the best fit for this job. I'm no producer, I'm just a junior architect and a movie maniac, but I really can't get excited about the idea of Bond movie directed by Clarkson.

    IF she gets the job, I'll be her best supporter. But on paper going from Villeneuve or Boyle to Clarkson remains a long shot.

    You asked for a list of high-profile directors who made the transition to high-profile film, and that is what you received. There are many more, I'm sure. Maybe @ColonelSun would be better suited to give examples above my Film Studies BA level.

    "Spielberg was a genius" - yes he sure is. He's made some stinkers, too. Does him being a "genius" mean that nobody else could ever end up as good as him? That other directors who start in humble beginnings are not worthy? If that's what you're saying, then I'm not too sure you understand what directing actually entails. A lot of what you just said there is simply personal opinion in the face of factual answers to your question. Yeah, The Avengers was a bit stagey in parts. It also was universally loved and made huge money.

    Bond is not the only one with massive fan expectation, studio pressure, and tight timetables. In fact, despite the Boyle events, Bond is still down the pecking order in that regard. All those franchises you mentioned may or may not be to your liking, but they have been directorial nightmares for many. The thing that sets Bond apart is the pack content, which is unique to any other series. The process by which it is made, especially in the last couple of entries, is no more or less challenging than any other franchise.

    There seems to be some serious ignorance going on here regarding TV directing, as if it's not as challenging as directing a low to mid-budget feature. Clueless is the only way I can describe that line of thinking, honestly.

    Yeah, Boyle to Clarkson is quite a leap. Not in quality, though. Just in name recognition. And to be quite honest, that doesn't matter in the slightest. Bond is bigger than the actor, and it is also bigger than the director. As long as they have a clear vision, they'll do fine.

    And that goes for any possible candidate.

    Well, to be honest I asked for "impressing big budget movies" but it's okay. Ah, you forgot JJ Abrams with M:I-3. :)

    BTW my point is that yes, going from Boyle to someone like Clarkson is a HUGE leap but going from TV business to a film this size it's an even longer shot. That's why I'm worried and why I find her name pretty disappointing.

    Right now I just don't think someone with just mid-budget TV background could deliver a Bond movie for the ages.

    But now don't tell me that directing good TV features (like Collateral) is harder than directing an artistically and commercially successful 200 million $ Bond movie. It's obviously really different.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe "I need a year off" Craig
    edited September 2018 Posts: 7,305
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    There is a push for fresh talent now, it's happening all over the place, so Eon won't have to worry about that at all, in fact it may prove to be a very smart move, if they go that way.
    Hiring a female director is a smart move as long as that female director is talented and can handle the pressure that comes with directing a big budget movie.S.J. Clarkson does not fit the bill.
    You just can´t stop making a joke out of yourself, can you? regardless of wether you believe a word @ColonelSun says or not, you make your own lack of knowledge and reason so obvious I find it hard not to get unpolite.

    Everything in the above post by Panchito seems completely rational to me. Don't hire a director, female or not, unless they know what they're doing.

    The point is, these TV directors do know what the are doing. How on earth would they be directing top end TV? Directing top TV is a harder gig to get than many feature films.

    Because TV, "top end" or otherwise, still isn't filmmaking. It's a completely different practice.

    Not to say you can't have success at both, but to assume someone will be successful at one because they are successful at the other is quite a big presumption.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 3,461
    Not to say you can't have success at both, but to assume someone will be successful at one because they are successful at the other is quite a big presumption.

    This. Especially if we're speaking about a directorial debut...
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 6,470
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    There is a push for fresh talent now, it's happening all over the place, so Eon won't have to worry about that at all, in fact it may prove to be a very smart move, if they go that way.
    Hiring a female director is a smart move as long as that female director is talented and can handle the pressure that comes with directing a big budget movie.S.J. Clarkson does not fit the bill.
    You just can´t stop making a joke out of yourself, can you? regardless of wether you believe a word @ColonelSun says or not, you make your own lack of knowledge and reason so obvious I find it hard not to get unpolite.

    Everything in the above post by Panchito seems completely rational to me. Don't hire a director, female or not, unless they know what they're doing.

    The point is, these TV directors do know what the are doing. How on earth would they be directing top end TV? Directing top TV is a harder gig to get than many feature films.

    Because TV, "top end" or otherwise, still isn't filmmaking. It's a completely different practice.

    Not to say you can't have success at both, but to assume someone will be successful at one because they are successful at the other is quite a big presumption.

    You're right. It's far harder in a huge number of respects.
  • Posts: 1,297
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    There is a push for fresh talent now, it's happening all over the place, so Eon won't have to worry about that at all, in fact it may prove to be a very smart move, if they go that way.
    Hiring a female director is a smart move as long as that female director is talented and can handle the pressure that comes with directing a big budget movie.S.J. Clarkson does not fit the bill.
    You just can´t stop making a joke out of yourself, can you? regardless of wether you believe a word @ColonelSun says or not, you make your own lack of knowledge and reason so obvious I find it hard not to get unpolite.

    Everything in the above post by Panchito seems completely rational to me. Don't hire a director, female or not, unless they know what they're doing.

    The point is, these TV directors do know what the are doing. How on earth would they be directing top end TV? Directing top TV is a harder gig to get than many feature films.

    Because TV, "top end" or otherwise, still isn't filmmaking. It's a completely different practice.

    Not to say you can't have success at both, but to assume someone will be successful at one because they are successful at the other is quite a big presumption.

    Wrong. Where do u get your insight from? High budget TV, today, is run like a feature film, more so than many feature films. I have many friends who write and direct or produce or line-produce top end TV, and it is not a soap opera any more. Just look at the quality of the shows. 2018. Wake up.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited September 2018 Posts: 2,541
    As CraigMooreOHMMS said- bond has always been and will be bigger than any actor or director regardless of who they are. We need to wait before reaching any pointless conclusion before any official announcement.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 6,470
    Any First ADs / Production Managers looking at these claims that a mid-budget, very accomplished TV/Netflix director "wouldn't be able to handle" a feature film shooting schedule must be feeling hugely underappreciated. An incredibly thankless position.
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
    Posts: 521
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/white-boy-rick-director-adapting-ken-loach-film-1141232?__twitter_impression=true

    Yann Demange has committed to another project. No production dates yet. He is becoming quite popular
  • Posts: 1,114
    matt_u wrote: »
    TR007 wrote: »
    Don’t feed the trolls please people.

    Excuse me Sir, but I'm no troll.

    Now it's not even permitted to share some perplexity about Clarkson? After tons of exhausting OFF TOPIC complaints, frustration and toxicity about "Spectre ruined my life", "Craig and Barbara ruined the franchise", "How I miss the good old times" in a topic titled B25 Production Diary?

    Good to know.
    My comment was aimed at you. Speaks volumes that you thought it was.
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