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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2018 Posts: 23,883
    octofinger wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be a bit premature for them to start marketing Bond 25 over a year before its release? I mean, they haven't done this sort of thing before. Every bit of their commercials came in the year they were going to release a film.
    I remember they used to run the Brosnan Omega print ads when there was no Bond film in the works, so there is precedent.

    Given Bond has been off the radar for so long, and because the market has changed so drastically in the intervening period, it perhaps makes sense to remind people of the character and get them ready for what is coming next year. The World Cup is a global sport and Bond is a global brand, so it's as good a chance as any to get visibility.
    It’d be delightful to have Bond being marketed during the World Cup event.

    I think it's possible that you're getting this backward.

    My wager is that this is Bond promoting Heineken, not the other way around. If my theory is right, Heineken want a big-ticket ad that will be a conversation starter for a worldwide audience. And Bond is recognizable all over the world, so this is a good way to do it.
    The thing about these promotional tie-ins is that they work both ways. In this instance, I'd say they both benefit immeasurably from being shown during such an event, if this is in fact the purpose that the ad is for. Keep in mind Heineken's banner ads are likely to be around the stadiums anyway.

    After all, EON/MGM have control over this and wouldn't let Craig do it one year in advance of the film's release unless there was a foreseeable benefit. This could also be part of the considerable Universal marketing machine at work, earning its keep already.

    Let's see if it pops up in a month.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
    Posts: 1,187
    bondjames wrote: »
    octofinger wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be a bit premature for them to start marketing Bond 25 over a year before its release? I mean, they haven't done this sort of thing before. Every bit of their commercials came in the year they were going to release a film.
    I remember they used to run the Brosnan Omega print ads when there was no Bond film in the works, so there is precedent.

    Given Bond has been off the radar for so long, and because the market has changed so drastically in the intervening period, it perhaps makes sense to remind people of the character and get them ready for what is coming next year. The World Cup is a global sport and Bond is a global brand, so it's as good a chance as any to get visibility.
    It’d be delightful to have Bond being marketed during the World Cup event.

    I think it's possible that you're getting this backward.

    My wager is that this is Bond promoting Heineken, not the other way around. If my theory is right, Heineken want a big-ticket ad that will be a conversation starter for a worldwide audience. And Bond is recognizable all over the world, so this is a good way to do it.
    The thing about these promotional tie-ins is that they work both ways. In this instance, I'd say they both benefit immeasurably from being shown during such an event, if this is in fact the purpose that the ad is for. Keep in mind Heineken's banner ads are likely to be around the stadiums anyway.

    After all, EON/MGM have control over this and wouldn't let Craig do it one year in advance of the film's release unless there was a foreseeable benefit. This could also be part of the considerable Universal marketing machine at work, earning its keep already.

    Let's see if it pops up in a month.
    The benefit for EON is getting that nice hefty Cheque from Heineken for allowing Daniel to appear as bond in front of World Cup.

  • Posts: 784
    doubleoego wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    Has this been posted? An article on how Universal snatched up the OS rights. Also confirms that the deal is for one film only, and Annapurna aren't contributing to the production budget (as to whether Universal is, likely but not known ATM) https://www.screendaily.com/news/why-universal-was-the-clear-choice-as-international-partner-on-bond-25/5129720.article

    “Barbara Broccoli wants a one billion dollar international gross”


    Depressing comment. Maybe just think about making a good film first and foremost and let the grosses take care of themselves?

    Agreed. This shows that Babs has learned nothing and her priorities aren't in order. Sure, a film is made to make money, especially a film on this scale but the priority and focus should be all about making a great film that actually delivers, something Bond hasn't properly done since CR. Make a good film worth seeing and the money will come.
    Quite. Rather than going back to the mindset that gave us CR sounds like they are still chasing an SF beater which is the kind of thinking that gave us SP.

    If this quote from Babs is real, it should cause everyone to adjust their expectations. Billion-dollar films have to be written, directed, and acted in certain kinds of ways: nuance is out. (And don't be surprised if there's a Chinese angle - characters speaking a bit of Mandarin, or a scene set in China - to draw in that huge market).
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    octofinger wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    Has this been posted? An article on how Universal snatched up the OS rights. Also confirms that the deal is for one film only, and Annapurna aren't contributing to the production budget (as to whether Universal is, likely but not known ATM) https://www.screendaily.com/news/why-universal-was-the-clear-choice-as-international-partner-on-bond-25/5129720.article

    “Barbara Broccoli wants a one billion dollar international gross”


    Depressing comment. Maybe just think about making a good film first and foremost and let the grosses take care of themselves?

    Agreed. This shows that Babs has learned nothing and her priorities aren't in order. Sure, a film is made to make money, especially a film on this scale but the priority and focus should be all about making a great film that actually delivers, something Bond hasn't properly done since CR. Make a good film worth seeing and the money will come.
    Quite. Rather than going back to the mindset that gave us CR sounds like they are still chasing an SF beater which is the kind of thinking that gave us SP.

    If this quote from Babs is real, it should cause everyone to adjust their expectations. Billion-dollar films have to be written, directed, and acted in certain kinds of ways: nuance is out. (And don't be surprised if there's a Chinese angle - characters speaking a bit of Mandarin, or a scene set in China - to draw in that huge market).
    You make an excellent point about nuance. That is a deep concern of mine, in this never ending chase for global hearts and minds. Humour that may work very well locally sometimes doesn't resonate globally, and also when translated. That has to be adjusted for.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited May 2018 Posts: 9,117
    bondjames wrote: »
    Keep in mind Heineken's banner ads are likely to be around the stadiums anyway.

    http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/organisation/partners/

    So much for that theory. Heineken might have bought time in the advertising breaks but Bud don’t shell out the sort of prices FIFA charge to have a rival beer company sharing the space too.

    Bud is the beer of the World Cup I’m afraid (shows that FIFA know as much about beer as they do about transparency and probity) and during a World Cup why would Heineken use Bond to plug its product anyway? Surely you’d hire a famous player and film him swigging from a bottle?
    octofinger wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    Has this been posted? An article on how Universal snatched up the OS rights. Also confirms that the deal is for one film only, and Annapurna aren't contributing to the production budget (as to whether Universal is, likely but not known ATM) https://www.screendaily.com/news/why-universal-was-the-clear-choice-as-international-partner-on-bond-25/5129720.article

    “Barbara Broccoli wants a one billion dollar international gross”


    Depressing comment. Maybe just think about making a good film first and foremost and let the grosses take care of themselves?

    Agreed. This shows that Babs has learned nothing and her priorities aren't in order. Sure, a film is made to make money, especially a film on this scale but the priority and focus should be all about making a great film that actually delivers, something Bond hasn't properly done since CR. Make a good film worth seeing and the money will come.
    Quite. Rather than going back to the mindset that gave us CR sounds like they are still chasing an SF beater which is the kind of thinking that gave us SP.

    If this quote from Babs is real, it should cause everyone to adjust their expectations. Billion-dollar films have to be written, directed, and acted in certain kinds of ways: nuance is out. (And don't be surprised if there's a Chinese angle - characters speaking a bit of Mandarin, or a scene set in China - to draw in that huge market).
    Agreed 100%. They stop being stories and just turn into massive marketing vehicles trying to please as many disparate groups as possible and to not risk the slightest offence.

    Bollocks to the Chinese frankly. If they would prefer to watch dross like Transformers and Pacific Rim over Bond that’s their funeral. The idea that we would go chasing their money in a manner you suggest is nauseating.

    Thankfully I can’t see Boyle signing up if that was the case. He’s the one beacon of hope I have in this morass of low expectations and lack of faith that EON know what they’re doing any more.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2018 Posts: 23,883
    bondjames wrote: »
    Keep in mind Heineken's banner ads are likely to be around the stadiums anyway.

    http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/organisation/partners/

    So much for that theory. Heineken might have bought time in the advertising breaks but Bud don’t shell out the sort of prices FIFA charge to have a rival beer company sharing the space too.

    Bud is the beer of the World Cup I’m afraid (shows that FIFA know as much about beer as they do about transparency and probity) and during a World Cup why would Heineken use Bond to plug its product anyway? Surely you’d hire a famous player and film him swigging from a bottle?
    Budweiser? That's certainly a surprise to me. Disappointing.

    Well in that case this is perhaps just advance filming for an ad which will be held in the back pocket for a future release date.

    Seems like a wasted opportunity to me though. I think World Cup exposure would have been very good for Bond, to build anticipation for 2019.
  • Posts: 784
    Agreed 100%. They stop being stories and just turn into massive marketing vehicles trying to please as many disparate groups as possible and to not risk the slightest offence.

    Bollocks to the Chinese frankly. If they would prefer to watch dross like Transformers and Pacific Rim over Bond that’s their funeral. The idea that we would go chasing their money in a manner you suggest is nauseating.

    Thankfully I can’t see Boyle signing up if that was the case. He’s the one beacon of hope I have in this morass of low expectations and lack of faith that EON know what they’re doing any more.

    I'm not saying I like the Chinese angle, but anyone who's watched a blockbuster in the last 5 years has seen it. There's nearly always a Chinese character stuck in there somewhere.

    As for the nuance: it was Eddie Van Halen, of all people, who put it well years ago. Some interviewer was giving him stick for playing loud bashing rock, even though he had such dextrous fingers and such a wide musical palette. He said that if he were going to be playing on an acoustic guitar, he could do all sorts of intricate stuff. But when you're playing out of 20-foot-tall stadiums for crowds of 50 000, the complicated chords or fingerpickings just don't translate. You have to pound on loud chords and get everyone to clap their hands.

    So it goes with a movie that you want 100 million people to enjoy.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
    Posts: 2,230
    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Keep in mind Heineken's banner ads are likely to be around the stadiums anyway.

    http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/organisation/partners/

    So much for that theory. Heineken might have bought time in the advertising breaks but Bud don’t shell out the sort of prices FIFA charge to have a rival beer company sharing the space too.

    Bud is the beer of the World Cup I’m afraid (shows that FIFA know as much about beer as they do about transparency and probity) and during a World Cup why would Heineken use Bond to plug its product anyway? Surely you’d hire a famous player and film him swigging from a bottle?
    Budweiser? That's certainly a surprise to me. Disappointing.

    Well in that case this is perhaps just advance filming for an ad which will be held in the back pocket for a future release date.

    Seems like a wasted opportunity to me though. I think World Cup exposure would have been very good for Bond, to build anticipation for 2019.

    I imagine Amy Pascal would have jumped at the chance to have a Bond presence during the World Cup, given the SP email leaks, and her eagerness to replicate the London 2012 cameo.
  • mybudgetbondmybudgetbond The World
    Posts: 178
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    BTW, in the Spain photo of Craig, he is wearing a wedding ring. In the Skyfall and SPECTRE Heineken adverts, he's not wearing a wedding ring. He married Rachel Weiz in 2011. Just sayin'

    It looks the same colour as his wedding ring, but what if it's a SPECTRE ring?

    It's unlikely, but just a thought.
    More likely to be a nod to Bond’s marriage with Madeleine.

    It's also possible he was just on the way to set and will take the ring off for the filming.
  • Posts: 4,619
    octofinger wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    Has this been posted? An article on how Universal snatched up the OS rights. Also confirms that the deal is for one film only, and Annapurna aren't contributing to the production budget (as to whether Universal is, likely but not known ATM) https://www.screendaily.com/news/why-universal-was-the-clear-choice-as-international-partner-on-bond-25/5129720.article

    “Barbara Broccoli wants a one billion dollar international gross”


    Depressing comment. Maybe just think about making a good film first and foremost and let the grosses take care of themselves?

    Agreed. This shows that Babs has learned nothing and her priorities aren't in order. Sure, a film is made to make money, especially a film on this scale but the priority and focus should be all about making a great film that actually delivers, something Bond hasn't properly done since CR. Make a good film worth seeing and the money will come.
    Quite. Rather than going back to the mindset that gave us CR sounds like they are still chasing an SF beater which is the kind of thinking that gave us SP.

    If this quote from Babs is real, it should cause everyone to adjust their expectations. Billion-dollar films have to be written, directed, and acted in certain kinds of ways: nuance is out. (And don't be surprised if there's a Chinese angle - characters speaking a bit of Mandarin, or a scene set in China - to draw in that huge market).
    I couldn't disagree with you more. With Hodge writing and Boyle directing the thing you need to fear the least is nuance being out.

    I don't mind Barbara wanting one billion dollar international gross, in fact I love it.

    1. Nobody said one billion dollar international gross is her TOP PRIORITY.
    2. A producer has to be responsible with money. Aiming for a huge box office return is essential in today's market.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    BTW, in the Spain photo of Craig, he is wearing a wedding ring. In the Skyfall and SPECTRE Heineken adverts, he's not wearing a wedding ring. He married Rachel Weiz in 2011. Just sayin'

    It looks the same colour as his wedding ring, but what if it's a SPECTRE ring?

    It's unlikely, but just a thought.

    Perhaps Boyle's great idea is that Bond actually arrested Blofeld because he wanted to become the head of SPECTRE? So Bond is gonna be Bond 25's villain.

    (just for clarification, I think such idea is just as bad as Bond having an understudy or the villain being a former lover of Bond's)
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
    Posts: 2,230
    bondjames wrote: »
    octofinger wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be a bit premature for them to start marketing Bond 25 over a year before its release? I mean, they haven't done this sort of thing before. Every bit of their commercials came in the year they were going to release a film.
    I remember they used to run the Brosnan Omega print ads when there was no Bond film in the works, so there is precedent.

    Given Bond has been off the radar for so long, and because the market has changed so drastically in the intervening period, it perhaps makes sense to remind people of the character and get them ready for what is coming next year. The World Cup is a global sport and Bond is a global brand, so it's as good a chance as any to get visibility.
    It’d be delightful to have Bond being marketed during the World Cup event.

    I think it's possible that you're getting this backward.

    My wager is that this is Bond promoting Heineken, not the other way around. If my theory is right, Heineken want a big-ticket ad that will be a conversation starter for a worldwide audience. And Bond is recognizable all over the world, so this is a good way to do it.
    The thing about these promotional tie-ins is that they work both ways. In this instance, I'd say they both benefit immeasurably from being shown during such an event, if this is in fact the purpose that the ad is for. Keep in mind Heineken's banner ads are likely to be around the stadiums anyway.

    After all, EON/MGM have control over this and wouldn't let Craig do it one year in advance of the film's release unless there was a foreseeable benefit. This could also be part of the considerable Universal marketing machine at work, earning its keep already.

    Let's see if it pops up in a month.

    If Rachel is roughly half way through her pregnancy, and the SF/SP Heineken ads were filmed in September, could they simply be filming it now while Craig is available?

    Presumably he will want to spend as much time at home with Rachel and the baby before he begins filming in December.
  • Posts: 15,747
    bondjames wrote: »
    Keep in mind Heineken's banner ads are likely to be around the stadiums anyway.

    http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/organisation/partners/

    So much for that theory. Heineken might have bought time in the advertising breaks but Bud don’t shell out the sort of prices FIFA charge to have a rival beer company sharing the space too.

    Bud is the beer of the World Cup I’m afraid (shows that FIFA know as much about beer as they do about transparency and probity) and during a World Cup why would Heineken use Bond to plug its product anyway? Surely you’d hire a famous player and film him swigging from a bottle?

    My first thought reading this was: "Spectre pissfilter", haha! Hardly surprising Bud are the official beer, though. Big events=weak, watery beer.
    The World Cup is where you can reach the big, global audiences. The Super Bowl is targeted for an American audience, after all.

    Could be both, but I agree about the World Cup being for a global audience. The spot could air first during the World Cup and still air early next year during the Super Bowl for American marketing.
    If they’re only just filming it now aren’t they cutting a bit fine for the World Cup? I suppose if they aim to debut it for the knockout stages perhaps but to get the post and editing done for two weeks today seems a bit rushed doesn’t it?

    That's a good point. Would be little use to release it towards the end of the tournament too perhaps. But we don't know much about the ad - perhaps Craig doesn't appear in all of it? There was this one for SF, for example:

  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
    Posts: 2,482
    We've talked with people from Cardona (Barcelona).

    Apparently Daniel Craig was there on Tuesday and he left.

    Today, Wednesday, they filmed a taxi arriving to Plaza del Mercado (Market Square) and Craig's double was running behind the vehicle. It was also planned a scene descending by the facade of a church (!).

    The commercial was also shot inside the Parador (the IXth century castle) where one of the rooms has been transformed into a disco (!!).

    The source told me twice that Craig was in white and his double, too, so I don't know where or when he'll be wearing the tuxedo.

    New photos of the taxi and the square:

    img0810-11_g.jpg

    img0815-4_g.jpg

    img0822-3_g.jpg

    More here: http://www.regio7.cat/multimedia/fotos/comarques/bages/2018-05-30-127703-rodatge-anunci-heineken-cardona.html
  • edited May 2018 Posts: 3,157
    octofinger wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    Has this been posted? An article on how Universal snatched up the OS rights. Also confirms that the deal is for one film only, and Annapurna aren't contributing to the production budget (as to whether Universal is, likely but not known ATM) https://www.screendaily.com/news/why-universal-was-the-clear-choice-as-international-partner-on-bond-25/5129720.article

    “Barbara Broccoli wants a one billion dollar international gross”


    Depressing comment. Maybe just think about making a good film first and foremost and let the grosses take care of themselves?

    Agreed. This shows that Babs has learned nothing and her priorities aren't in order. Sure, a film is made to make money, especially a film on this scale but the priority and focus should be all about making a great film that actually delivers, something Bond hasn't properly done since CR. Make a good film worth seeing and the money will come.
    Quite. Rather than going back to the mindset that gave us CR sounds like they are still chasing an SF beater which is the kind of thinking that gave us SP.

    If this quote from Babs is real, it should cause everyone to adjust their expectations. Billion-dollar films have to be written, directed, and acted in certain kinds of ways: nuance is out. (And don't be surprised if there's a Chinese angle - characters speaking a bit of Mandarin, or a scene set in China - to draw in that huge market).
    I couldn't disagree with you more. With Hodge writing and Boyle directing the thing you need to fear the least is nuance being out.

    I don't mind Barbara wanting one billion dollar international gross, in fact I love it.

    1. Nobody said one billion dollar international gross is her TOP PRIORITY.
    2. A producer has to be responsible with money. Aiming for a huge box office return is essential in today's market.

    This. And let's count recent films which have earned over a billion without losing nuance - TDK, TDKR, Avengers: Infinity War, Star Wars: The Last Jedi (in mind that is a big example to go in in regards to B25 comparisons - Rian Johnson getting virtually carte blanche, like Boyle here...and I would not be surprised if parts of the Bond fanbase lose it like certain parts of the SW ones have over that film), Black Panther, Iron Man 3, oh and Skyfall.

    How many of these films also play up the Chinese angle? Only two.
  • Posts: 12,280
    Heineken ad for the world cup would make sense!
  • DCisaredDCisared Liverpool
    Posts: 1,310
    @wiz maybe having Dan advertising during the world cup isn't so out there. No doubt he'd be better in goal than that mong Karius.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    octofinger wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    Has this been posted? An article on how Universal snatched up the OS rights. Also confirms that the deal is for one film only, and Annapurna aren't contributing to the production budget (as to whether Universal is, likely but not known ATM) https://www.screendaily.com/news/why-universal-was-the-clear-choice-as-international-partner-on-bond-25/5129720.article

    “Barbara Broccoli wants a one billion dollar international gross”


    Depressing comment. Maybe just think about making a good film first and foremost and let the grosses take care of themselves?

    Agreed. This shows that Babs has learned nothing and her priorities aren't in order. Sure, a film is made to make money, especially a film on this scale but the priority and focus should be all about making a great film that actually delivers, something Bond hasn't properly done since CR. Make a good film worth seeing and the money will come.
    Quite. Rather than going back to the mindset that gave us CR sounds like they are still chasing an SF beater which is the kind of thinking that gave us SP.

    If this quote from Babs is real, it should cause everyone to adjust their expectations. Billion-dollar films have to be written, directed, and acted in certain kinds of ways: nuance is out. (And don't be surprised if there's a Chinese angle - characters speaking a bit of Mandarin, or a scene set in China - to draw in that huge market).
    I couldn't disagree with you more. With Hodge writing and Boyle directing the thing you need to fear the least is nuance being out.

    I don't mind Barbara wanting one billion dollar international gross, in fact I love it.

    1. Nobody said one billion dollar international gross is her TOP PRIORITY.
    2. A producer has to be responsible with money. Aiming for a huge box office return is essential in today's market.

    Agreed. Cubby was exactly the same. Their job is to satisfy the audience at large and the best marker of that is Box Office.

    1bn is a benchmark these days, rather than an anomaly.

    Like anyone I’d prefer a great movie over a profitable one, but they aren’t mutually exclusive and with Boyle in play the omens are good.

    Presumably those who are disgusted by Barbara’s adimission are the ones who wank on about Box Office at every opportunity. She can’t win.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited May 2018 Posts: 9,117
    antovolk wrote: »
    octofinger wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    Has this been posted? An article on how Universal snatched up the OS rights. Also confirms that the deal is for one film only, and Annapurna aren't contributing to the production budget (as to whether Universal is, likely but not known ATM) https://www.screendaily.com/news/why-universal-was-the-clear-choice-as-international-partner-on-bond-25/5129720.article

    “Barbara Broccoli wants a one billion dollar international gross”


    Depressing comment. Maybe just think about making a good film first and foremost and let the grosses take care of themselves?

    Agreed. This shows that Babs has learned nothing and her priorities aren't in order. Sure, a film is made to make money, especially a film on this scale but the priority and focus should be all about making a great film that actually delivers, something Bond hasn't properly done since CR. Make a good film worth seeing and the money will come.
    Quite. Rather than going back to the mindset that gave us CR sounds like they are still chasing an SF beater which is the kind of thinking that gave us SP.

    If this quote from Babs is real, it should cause everyone to adjust their expectations. Billion-dollar films have to be written, directed, and acted in certain kinds of ways: nuance is out. (And don't be surprised if there's a Chinese angle - characters speaking a bit of Mandarin, or a scene set in China - to draw in that huge market).
    I couldn't disagree with you more. With Hodge writing and Boyle directing the thing you need to fear the least is nuance being out.

    I don't mind Barbara wanting one billion dollar international gross, in fact I love it.

    1. Nobody said one billion dollar international gross is her TOP PRIORITY.
    2. A producer has to be responsible with money. Aiming for a huge box office return is essential in today's market.

    This. And let's count recent films which have earned over a billion without losing nuance - TDK, TDKR, Avengers: Infinity War, Star Wars: The Last Jedi (in mind that is a big example to go in in regards to B25 comparisons - Rian Johnson getting virtually carte blanche, like Boyle here...and I would not be surprised if parts of the Bond fanbase lose it like certain parts of the SW ones have over that film), Black Panther, Iron Man 3, oh and Skyfall.

    How many of these films also play up the Chinese angle? Only two.

    Avengers, TLJ, Black Panther and Iron Man 3 nuanced? You really must give me the name of your oculist. Even TDK and SF only pretend to be deep and meaningful. We're hardly talking Kieślowski or Tarkovsky with any of them are we?

    Just give us a solid thrilling adventure with some actual stunts and the GB at the start. That's really all they need to think about.
    DCisared wrote: »
    @wiz maybe having Dan advertising during the world cup isn't so out there. No doubt he'd be better in goal than that mong Karius.
    Of course he would and he's an LFC fan to boot. But then any living mammal (and quite a few reptiles) would be better than Karius.

    But if Dan is moving into football, why not have Karius move the other way into Bond films? Given his career as a goalkeeper is over he needs other avenues to explore and I reckon he's got the looks for a Grant/Necros clone. Obviously the plan falls down a bit when he garrotes himself in his first scene but still worth considering maybe?
  • edited May 2018 Posts: 3,157
    antovolk wrote: »
    octofinger wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    Has this been posted? An article on how Universal snatched up the OS rights. Also confirms that the deal is for one film only, and Annapurna aren't contributing to the production budget (as to whether Universal is, likely but not known ATM) https://www.screendaily.com/news/why-universal-was-the-clear-choice-as-international-partner-on-bond-25/5129720.article

    “Barbara Broccoli wants a one billion dollar international gross”


    Depressing comment. Maybe just think about making a good film first and foremost and let the grosses take care of themselves?

    Agreed. This shows that Babs has learned nothing and her priorities aren't in order. Sure, a film is made to make money, especially a film on this scale but the priority and focus should be all about making a great film that actually delivers, something Bond hasn't properly done since CR. Make a good film worth seeing and the money will come.
    Quite. Rather than going back to the mindset that gave us CR sounds like they are still chasing an SF beater which is the kind of thinking that gave us SP.

    If this quote from Babs is real, it should cause everyone to adjust their expectations. Billion-dollar films have to be written, directed, and acted in certain kinds of ways: nuance is out. (And don't be surprised if there's a Chinese angle - characters speaking a bit of Mandarin, or a scene set in China - to draw in that huge market).
    I couldn't disagree with you more. With Hodge writing and Boyle directing the thing you need to fear the least is nuance being out.

    I don't mind Barbara wanting one billion dollar international gross, in fact I love it.

    1. Nobody said one billion dollar international gross is her TOP PRIORITY.
    2. A producer has to be responsible with money. Aiming for a huge box office return is essential in today's market.

    This. And let's count recent films which have earned over a billion without losing nuance - TDK, TDKR, Avengers: Infinity War, Star Wars: The Last Jedi (in mind that is a big example to go in in regards to B25 comparisons - Rian Johnson getting virtually carte blanche, like Boyle here...and I would not be surprised if parts of the Bond fanbase lose it like certain parts of the SW ones have over that film), Black Panther, Iron Man 3, oh and Skyfall.

    How many of these films also play up the Chinese angle? Only two.

    Avengers, TLJ, Black Panther and Iron Man 3 nuanced? You really must give me the name of your oculist. Even TDK and SF only pretend to be deep and meaningful. We're hardly talking Kieślowski or Tarkovsky with any of them are we?

    Just give us a solid thrilling adventure with some actual stunts and the GB at the start. That's really all they need to think about.

    Of course we aren't but they are on the upper end of the quality scale of big budget tentpole blockbusters. Which some people for some reason want to deny that Bond is...it's absolutely playing in that league now and it has its own market expectations. Both in terms of BO and in terms of quality. When I say nuance, I was responding to @octofinger's comment about how B25 won't have nuance just because BB is gunning for another billion+ dollars
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Red_Snow wrote: »
    BTW, in the Spain photo of Craig, he is wearing a wedding ring. In the Skyfall and SPECTRE Heineken adverts, he's not wearing a wedding ring. He married Rachel Weiz in 2011. Just sayin'
    It looks the same colour as his wedding ring, but what if it's a SPECTRE ring?

    It's unlikely, but just a thought.
    More likely to be a nod to Bond’s marriage with Madeleine.
    Oh so obviously true @QuantumOrganization. I'm standing by for clues they had a child.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I think it's important to keep in mind that Babs Broccoli is not the only one with an interest in James Bond. MGM has a 50% stake in the franchise, and I don't think Universal signed up for global distribution without expecting B25 to deliver at the box office. MGM are still highly dependent on the Bond films to fill their coffers, and particularly if a sale or IPO will follow B25's release. From what we've been hearing lately, they are gearing for the IPO but could still be subject to a bid, either hostile (from Barber potentially) or friendly (from Universal eventually).

    It's also important to note that the $1bn number is not for total gross. It is for international, or foreign gross (excluding US) only. There are only a handful of films that have ever achieved that, and a few are from Universal. It's not an easy target to hit, particularly with an adult oriented thriller like James Bond.

    If it's true that this is their goal (and I'm not sure if it is because that article had the poster speculating rather than a direct quote) then they could do it by pandering, or they could alternatively do it with high quality and effective marketing and promotion. I hope they choose the latter approach.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I think it's important to keep in mind that Babs Broccoli is not the only one with an interest in James Bond. MGM has a 50% stake in the franchise, and I don't think Universal signed up for global distribution without expecting B25 to deliver at the box office. MGM are still highly dependent on the Bond films to fill their coffers, and particularly if a sale or IPO will follow B25's release. From what we've been hearing lately, they are gearing for the IPO but could still be subject to a bid, either hostile (from Barber potentially) or friendly (from Universal eventually).

    It's also important to note that the $1bn number is not for total gross. It is for international, or foreign gross (excluding US) only. There are only a handful of films that have ever achieved that, and a few are from Universal. It's not an easy target to hit, particularly with an adult oriented thriller like James Bond.

    If it's true that this is their goal (and I'm not sure if it is because that article had the poster speculating rather than a direct quote) then they could do it by pandering, or they could alternatively do it with high quality and effective marketing and promotion. I hope they choose the latter approach.

    Exactly, and there are numerous examples showing that the latter is all you need. Bond arguably has it easier to clear that 1bn international target since it is a franchise that usually performs a lot stronger outside North America than within it.

    But yes the two big issues going into B25 in terms of business are: 1. Its popularity in the US and 2. The demographics. As @bondjames said Bond is now usually considered adult aimed and if the US breakdowns are to go by you could put one out with an R rating and not lose much BO at all. But the fact that it does skew so heavily towards over 25s is a concerning anomaly amongst the big budget franchises of today. Why aren’t those like myself as excited for Bond as they are even for the Mission Impossible films? IMO Universal/Annapurna should really employ some of the strategies the big fanboy and comic book titles use to engage with audiences more directly to try and bring younger audiences into the fold. Why has Bond never done Comic Con, with its perfectly primed November release date? As vapid as it may seem to some, we should be seeing Craig and co goofing off with the movie YouTubers and other social media influencers at junkets, instead of shying away from them like the plague. And so on.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    antovolk wrote: »
    But yes the two big issues going into B25 in terms of business are: 1. Its popularity in the US and 2. The demographics. As @bondjames said Bond is now usually considered adult aimed and if the US breakdowns are to go by you could put one out with an R rating and not lose much BO at all.
    I think we'd all be more than happy with an R rated Bond film wouldn't we?
    antovolk wrote: »
    But the fact that it does skew so heavily towards over 25s is a concerning anomaly amongst the big budget franchises of today. Why aren’t those like myself as excited for Bond as they are even for the Mission Impossible films? IMO Universal/Annapurna should really employ some of the strategies the big fanboy and comic book titles use to engage with audiences more directly to try and bring younger audiences into the fold. Why has Bond never done Comic Con, with its perfectly primed November release date? As vapid as it may seem to some, we should be seeing Craig and co goofing off with the movie YouTubers and other social media influencers at junkets, instead of shying away from them like the plague. And so on.
    I prefer the vision of the future depicted in Threads than the one you postulate there. The day they start doing that I think will be the time to barricade myself in a cave with the Fleming novels (and CS) and all the films up to now (could probably leave DAD and SP if I was pushed for space I suppose).

    Bond's USP in the market is it isn't CGI drivel aimed at comic book/sci fi geeks. The day it starts trying to go directly toe to toe with Marvel, Star Wars, Transformers and the Fast and the Furious and compete for the same audience is the day it loses it's core audience and implodes.
  • BMWTREKPSEBMWTREKPSE Colorado
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    jake24 wrote: »
    ggl007 wrote: »
    ¡¡DANIEL CRAIG EN ESPAÑA!! https://bit.ly/2IVXJkJ

    And what a surprise for everybody. He is filming at the Parador Nacional of Cardona (Barcelona). Apparently the City Hall had announced last week the filming of "a commercial for a very important brand". Today they shot a chase with an old taxi (from the 70's) and a... tractor!

    They are sleeping at the amazing Parador (a IX century castle...), where it is expected to film something soon...

    Sources say it is 100% a Heineken comercial.

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    I would've thought Craig was too busy filming B25 in Croatia this month.

    When Craig does commercials like this does he get paid additionally or is this part of his suspected 66 million paycheck?
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    00Agent wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    I don't see any reason why they need to reference Madeleine. no one gives 2 hoots.

    You could be right. I think we are reading more into it than the general public does. Not even sure why. After all it was a fairly classic Bond-gets-the-girl ending, for Craig that is.

    There are hints in the Movie that there might be 'more' than usual between them but that doesn't really mean much in th grand scheme of things. Bond has a new girl every movie. We have not gotten a good reason why that should stop. Last thing i want to see is Bond dealing with Relationship issues. Let the man have his fun.

    I give 7 hoots! ;-)
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    Bond's USP in the market is it isn't CGI drivel aimed at comic book/sci fi geeks. The day it starts trying to go directly toe to toe with Marvel, Star Wars, Transformers and the Fast and the Furious and compete for the same audience is the day it loses it's core audience and implodes.
    Very much agreed. One of the things which sets Bond apart most in the current crop of franchises is, I think, that the movies still feel like movies and not, as with the rest of those you mentioned, products. Maybe the recent fear that Bond is no longer 'cool' among the kids (and aimed more directly at adults instead of general audiences) is fueled less by the infrequency of release or other type of mismanagement and more to do with certain expectations reinforced by the increasingly infantilized Hollywood output.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    Red_Snow wrote: »
    BTW, in the Spain photo of Craig, he is wearing a wedding ring. In the Skyfall and SPECTRE Heineken adverts, he's not wearing a wedding ring. He married Rachel Weiz in 2011. Just sayin'
    It looks the same colour as his wedding ring, but what if it's a SPECTRE ring?

    It's unlikely, but just a thought.
    More likely to be a nod to Bond’s marriage with Madeleine.
    Oh so obviously true @QuantumOrganization. I'm standing by for clues they had a child.
    You don’t recognize sarcasm, do you? My reply was to a person claiming that it could be a Spectre ring.

  • DCisaredDCisared Liverpool
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    antovolk wrote: »
    octofinger wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    Has this been posted? An article on how Universal snatched up the OS rights. Also confirms that the deal is for one film only, and Annapurna aren't contributing to the production budget (as to whether Universal is, likely but not known ATM) https://www.screendaily.com/news/why-universal-was-the-clear-choice-as-international-partner-on-bond-25/5129720.article

    “Barbara Broccoli wants a one billion dollar international gross”


    Depressing comment. Maybe just think about making a good film first and foremost and let the grosses take care of themselves?

    Agreed. This shows that Babs has learned nothing and her priorities aren't in order. Sure, a film is made to make money, especially a film on this scale but the priority and focus should be all about making a great film that actually delivers, something Bond hasn't properly done since CR. Make a good film worth seeing and the money will come.
    Quite. Rather than going back to the mindset that gave us CR sounds like they are still chasing an SF beater which is the kind of thinking that gave us SP.

    If this quote from Babs is real, it should cause everyone to adjust their expectations. Billion-dollar films have to be written, directed, and acted in certain kinds of ways: nuance is out. (And don't be surprised if there's a Chinese angle - characters speaking a bit of Mandarin, or a scene set in China - to draw in that huge market).
    I couldn't disagree with you more. With Hodge writing and Boyle directing the thing you need to fear the least is nuance being out.

    I don't mind Barbara wanting one billion dollar international gross, in fact I love it.

    1. Nobody said one billion dollar international gross is her TOP PRIORITY.
    2. A producer has to be responsible with money. Aiming for a huge box office return is essential in today's market.

    This. And let's count recent films which have earned over a billion without losing nuance - TDK, TDKR, Avengers: Infinity War, Star Wars: The Last Jedi (in mind that is a big example to go in in regards to B25 comparisons - Rian Johnson getting virtually carte blanche, like Boyle here...and I would not be surprised if parts of the Bond fanbase lose it like certain parts of the SW ones have over that film), Black Panther, Iron Man 3, oh and Skyfall.

    How many of these films also play up the Chinese angle? Only two.

    Avengers, TLJ, Black Panther and Iron Man 3 nuanced? You really must give me the name of your oculist. Even TDK and SF only pretend to be deep and meaningful. We're hardly talking Kieślowski or Tarkovsky with any of them are we?

    Just give us a solid thrilling adventure with some actual stunts and the GB at the start. That's really all they need to think about.
    DCisared wrote: »
    @wiz maybe having Dan advertising during the world cup isn't so out there. No doubt he'd be better in goal than that mong Karius.
    Of course he would and he's an LFC fan to boot. But then any living mammal (and quite a few reptiles) would be better than Karius.

    But if Dan is moving into football, why not have Karius move the other way into Bond films? Given his career as a goalkeeper is over he needs other avenues to explore and I reckon he's got the looks for a Grant/Necros clone. Obviously the plan falls down a bit when he garrotes himself in his first scene but still worth considering maybe?

    Ha ha lovely stuff
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    I should have marked mine as sarcasm as well, it wasn't lost on me, @QuantumOrganization. I had the same notion before I read your post.
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